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| Lyth wrote: | | Rob1981 wrote: | | I looked into this game a little (a few minutes ago). I don't see how it's that special compared to just about any other first-person shooter out currently. |
Of course you wouldn't know -- you haven't played it. 
Crysis is nothing revolutionary, however, it is quite the visual spectacle, and is unique in terms of the nanosuit, open-ended way of completing the game (despite its linearity), and the game's powerful physics engine. Instead of relying on brute force and well-placed shots to the head -- a common characteristic of intense shooters -- Crysis puts more emphasis on taking advantage of the surroundings and the nanosuit's functions to defeat enemies and maneuver through levels (hence why ammunition is quite hard to come by in the game). Thanks to the powerful physics engine, there are some pretty creative and efficient ways of progressing through the levels besides just mowing everyone and everything down (though that in itself is a viable tactic in the game).
And of course, it has the best graphics of any game in existence, right now; a star of 2007 indeed. |
Crysis is overhyped and doesn't deserve the attention it gets. Not a bad game but not totally awesome like most people describe it. But yeah, the average gamer these days makes a judgement about the graphics and not the gameplay.
Vipralion, you're totally biased
| Quote: | | The people who buy games, the real gamers, are all on Xbox 360. |
The fact that you say this makes me want to take away your computer. I play online and download patches and guess what I DONT HAVE TO PAY FOR THAT. (Seriously, who wants to pay to play a bunch of games online when you can play the same games online for free with a computer?). On top of that, your rant towards the Wii is totally stupid. Judging from your "best games" list I can conclude two things:
1) Wear your "I love xbox360 and everything else sucks" tshirt.
2) You don't like the games that are made for the Wii
But in fact, the Wii has great games. The only difference is that they're not shooters. Take a look at The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess. Many more games like that come out every month for the Wii. Often using the unique controller properties and offering a longer gameplay than your shooters.
In the end the best gaming platform is the PC. No doubt about that.
Extremely wide game choice (often with graphics exceeding anything the consoles could do if you're interested in that). It's a lot cheaper than consoles. You don't have to pay to play online for most games. And in the end, you're not dependent on a single company. Ontop of that PC games are usually cheaper to buy.
And the best game of 2007 is Portal for it's good humour and amazing gameplay.
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| Quote: | In the end the best gaming platform is the PC. No doubt about that.
Extremely wide game choice (often with graphics exceeding anything the consoles could do if you're interested in that). It's a lot cheaper than consoles. You don't have to pay to play online for most games. And in the end, you're not dependent on a single company. Ontop of that PC games are usually cheaper to buy. |
There is no best gaming platform. All platforms out have decent size game libraries. Don't throw around graphics, as I've said in the past: they don't make the game perfect. I would take 10 bad graphic games with good gameplay, over 20 great graphic PC games anyday. As for online: it's not a big deal, and generally is stupid with all the cheaters, and idiots voice chatting nonsense to one another. Playing games on a PC is somewhat cheaper, I will agree with that.
| Quote: | | It's great that you have such enthusiasm for casual gaming Rob but you must realize that the Wii is by no means a real gamer's console. |
I'm far from a casual gamer, so don't make up stupid assumptions.
I think people need to get over themselves sometimes, and realize that all systems are just fine. Throwing around the term "real gamer" is a bunch of garbage. If someone plays and enjoys video games, they are a gamer... period. What they play, doesn't make them a "real gamer" or not. Stop being such a fanboy, and you would realize some of this. People have the right to play what they want, but ignorant people think they must bash people that don't agree with them on what system is the so called "best" currently out.
If you don't like the Wii: that's fine. But going around making up garbage and throwing out the terms "fad", "casual gamer", "kids toy" and so on isn't needed.
Go play your Xbox 360 and stop trolling here.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | | There is no best gaming platform. All platforms out have decent size game libraries. Don't throw around graphics, as I've said in the past: they don't make the game perfect. |
Uhm I didn't say I care about good graphics. Most of the games I play are from 2000 or earlier (I weekly play a game from 1998 online :p ). And in the end I'd rather play Duke Nukem 3D than Crysis to give an example.
| Quote: | | I would take 10 bad graphic games with good gameplay, over 20 great graphic PC games anyday. As for online: it's not a big deal, and generally is stupid with all the cheaters, and idiots voice chatting nonsense to one another. Playing games on a PC is somewhat cheaper, I will agree with that. |
You have to go to the older games with a small but great community. Almost no cheaters, loads of great people and no stupid things like "omg he has an awp".
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| SolidRaven wrote: | | Crysis is overhyped and doesn't deserve the attention it gets. Not a bad game but not totally awesome like most people describe it. But yeah, the average gamer these days makes a judgement about the graphics and not the gameplay. |
Yes, please do not put me in the category of "average gamers." 
I liked Crysis' gameplay, even though it was nothing new/innovative. Suit powers + good physics = many options to defeat the enemy.
Oh, and long live the PC. Consoles will never beat PC. 
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Compare sales of Xbox 360 titles to Wii, PS3, and PC and what do you get?
| Quote: | | The people who buy games, the real gamers, are all on Xbox 360. |
Crysis sold how many? Unreal Tournament III (PC) sold how many?
Uncharted? Heavenly Sword? Warhawk?
Zack and Wiki? [The other third party titles listed by Rob]?
Now compare those miniscule numbers to sales of:
Halo 3.
Oh and overkill would be listing just one more X360 title.
Bias? No, unfortunately for you.
I do not deny the great games that each platform has to offer however.
1) I do not have such a shirt. And I do not agree with the statement made on the shirt.
2) The majority of games made for the Wii are rubbish. Games such as Super Mario Galaxy are superb and show exactly how the most powerful console or PC do not matter when it comes to creating a masterpiece of a gaming experience.
| Quote: | | I think people need to get over themselves sometimes, and realize that all systems are just fine. Throwing around the term "real gamer" is a bunch of garbage. If someone plays and enjoys video games, they are a gamer... period. What they play, doesn't make them a "real gamer" or not. Stop being such a fanboy, and you would realize some of this. People have the right to play what they want, but ignorant people think they must bash people that don't agree with them on what system is the so called "best" currently out. |
Everybody's played a game at sometime so everybody's a gamer. But then the term doesn't matter. So I think we'll stick with these terms.
How am I biased or a fanboy when each of you defends your own shining example of gaming preference? Again, what I reference in my postings are actual software and hardware sales.
| Quote: | | As for online: it's not a big deal, and generally is stupid with all the cheaters, and idiots voice chatting nonsense to one another. Playing games on a PC is somewhat cheaper, I will agree with that. |
Xbox Live has a good community of gamers. It's just like in real life, you can't have a mass of people without some who are going to be unruly. To downplay the service because of the people who play on it isn't fair.
Online costs... I need only one example to counter this and that is MMORPG subscription costs. $15 per month is triple the cost of Xbox Live.
Additionally, online gaming on PSN is free and even has dedicated servers... but just not that many players.
| Quote: | | (Seriously, who wants to pay to play a bunch of games online when you can play the same games online for free with a computer?) |
Obviously many millions more are willing to pay to play then play the same games on a PC. Again, one look at sales of software for consoles versus PC shows you the answer.
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| Vipralion wrote: | | Compare sales of Xbox 360 titles to Wii, PS3, and PC and what do you get? |
That the PC wins and the Wii and PS3 are catching up with the Xbox360 (but yeah, they were released later, in the case of the PS3, a lot later).
| Quote: | Crysis sold how many? Unreal Tournament III (PC) sold how many?
Uncharted? Heavenly Sword? Warhawk?
Zack and Wiki? [The other third party titles listed by Rob]? |
Sales aren't a measurement for quality.
| Quote: | Now compare those miniscule numbers to sales of:
Halo 3. |
There you go, Halo 3 in the end was an overrated and overhyped game. That's the only reason why they could sell so much copies of it.
| Quote: | | Oh and overkill would be listing just one more X360 title. |
That's nothing, Please go and take a look at the original Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Half-Life 2. Your xbox 360 sales look really really really small compared to those.
| Quote: | | Bias? No, unfortunately for you. |
Unfortunately for you sales numbers don't dictate the quality of a game anymore these days with mass media. Just start marketing on the right time, make sure that the game isn't too repetitive at start so people keep playing it for 1 month. After that they realize it's crap and move on to the next thing and the sales will drop.
| Quote: | I do not deny the great games that each platform has to offer however.
1) I do not have such a shirt. And I do not agree with the statement made on the shirt. |
You'd better get one seeing how you're behaving.
| Quote: | | 2) The majority of games made for the Wii are rubbish. Games such as Super Mario Galaxy are superb and show exactly how the most powerful console or PC do not matter when it comes to creating a masterpiece of a gaming experience. |
You might want to realize a lot of those Wii games you call rubbish have a lot more gameplay than Hallo 3. Well, that is assuming you're social enough to play the party games with your friends.
| Quote: | | Everybody's played a game at sometime so everybody's a gamer. But then the term doesn't matter. So I think we'll stick with these terms. |
You can't dictate who is a gamer and who's not.
| Quote: | | How am I biased or a fanboy when each of you defends your own shining example of gaming preference? Again, what I reference in my postings are actual software and hardware sales. |
Uhm you might want to realize that I'm only bashing your examples for a good reason. And that is to break your arrogance about "xbox360 owns everything".
| Quote: | | Xbox Live has a good community of gamers. It's just like in real life, you can't have a mass of people without some who are going to be unruly. To downplay the service because of the people who play on it isn't fair. |
The xbox live community is extremely boring compared to many other online communities.
| Quote: | | Online costs... I need only one example to counter this and that is MMORPG subscription costs. $15 per month is triple the cost of Xbox Live. |
Didn't I just say the only exception is MMORPG's. But lets see for other games. Do I have to pay to play UT, Starsiege: Tribes, Quake 3, etc... online. NO. Do you have to pay for those, yes.
| Quote: | | Additionally, online gaming on PSN is free and even has dedicated servers... but just not that many players. |
Not yet, the PS3 is fairly new compared to the xbox 360.
| Quote: | | Obviously many millions more are willing to pay to play then play the same games on a PC. Again, one look at sales of software for consoles versus PC shows you the answer. |
Well, I must inform you that the PC will still win any day at sales. For the simple reason that a lot of people that don't have a console already have a PC.
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| Quote: | | That the PC wins and the Wii and PS3 are catching up with the Xbox360 (but yeah, they were released later, in the case of the PS3, a lot later). |
Wii was released after PS3 and it's beating PS3 in sales. And PC wins? Just because most people own a PC does not mean that they use it for gaming. Perhaps solitaire, some flash web based games I suppose but not games that you speak of. PC sales are declining. People see consoles as a device that will not be suddenly outdated by new technology. Single core, hyper-threading, duo core, quad core, what's next? Oh and of course the video cards that cost as much as a console. Ouch.
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| Quote: | | Sales aren't a measurement for quality. |
| Quote: | | There you go, Halo 3 in the end was an overrated and overhyped game. That's the only reason why they could sell so much copies of it. |
According to you. Check the reviews. Halo 3 is all that and a bag of chips. Don't be hatin' just cuz you can't handle joysticks. 
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| Quote: | | That's nothing, Please go and take a look at the original Unreal Tournament, Quake 3, Half-Life 2. Your xbox 360 sales look really really really small compared to those. |
PC glory days existed before this generation of consoles. Sorry! But even then, PS2 dominated PC sales as well. 120+ million console sales to date!
Compare PC games released recently to console games released recently.
| Quote: | The sales report, which was compiled by research firm NPD and posted by the simExchange, says Crysis and UT3 sold 86,633 units and 33,995 units, respectively, in the United States last month. Those numbers are considerably lower than those for, say, Assasin's Creed for the Xbox 360, which sold close to one million copies (980,000, to be exact) over a similar time frame. Call of Duty 4 was the clear best-seller last month, though, with a staggering 1.57 million units sold throughout November since its launch on November 6.
Overall, NPD and the simExchange forecast sales of 716,000 copies of Crysis and 540,000 copies for Unreal Tournament 3. Those numbers pale in comparison to the expected sales of 2.71 million for Assassin's Creed and 4.57 million for Call of Duty 4. |
Pudding. Proof. Pie.
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| Quote: | | Unfortunately for you sales numbers don't dictate the quality of a game anymore these days with mass media. Just start marketing on the right time, make sure that the game isn't too repetitive at start so people keep playing it for 1 month. After that they realize it's crap and move on to the next thing and the sales will drop. |
Ah but you do not deny that I am not biased. Thank you!
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| Quote: | | You'd better get one seeing how you're behaving. |
Bah, how bout no? This is a PC dominated forum (with a Wii guy too). Why not stand up for the guy without a voice in this forum? Yeah! How about you get a similar shirt but for PC? But ick, you've seen the marketing for Mac and PC. Go get a Mac instead.
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| Quote: | | You might want to realize a lot of those Wii games you call rubbish have a lot more gameplay than Hallo 3. Well, that is assuming you're social enough to play the party games with your friends. |
Innovative controls... Yeah... swinging a basebat like you would really swing it is innovative. *snore*
Oh and low blow attacking me. Let's not make this personal ok?
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| Quote: | | You can't dictate who is a gamer and who's not. |
Neither can you! But as humans, it is in our nature to label and categorize. To just label everyone people doesn't say much for variety does it?
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| Quote: | | Uhm you might want to realize that I'm only bashing your examples for a good reason. And that is to break your arrogance about "xbox360 owns everything". |
Arrogance? Xbox 360 does NOT own everything. For one, why does it have such a high failure rate? The software that is running on it is top notch, fully featured, to the T! PlayStation 3 on the other hand has horrible firmware which actually breaks connectivity and playability of games on the PS3/PSN in many cases. But the hardware! The hardware is top notch, fully featured, to the T! Wii is nice and cheap! Too bad I despise Nintendo's approach to online gaming with it. There is no community there!
Honestly, I could defend any platform. I am completely aware of the pros and cons for each. If you were against PC gaming I would bring up points *for* PC gaming.
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Although I do have one question for you, how do *you* justify the high cost of PC gaming? Not trying to be offensive or anything with this. It's just one point that I have a hard time defending when PS3 fanboys attack PC gaming, particularly when they compare costs of gaming.
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| Quote: | | The xbox live community is extremely boring compared to many other online communities. |
You can't dictate what's boring and what isn't. ^.^
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| Quote: | | Didn't I just say the only exception is MMORPG's. But lets see for other games. Do I have to pay to play UT, Starsiege: Tribes, Quake 3, etc... online. NO. Do you have to pay for those, yes. |
What do you expect from Microsoft? lol.
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| Quote: | | Not yet, the PS3 is fairly new compared to the xbox 360. |
And that could very well be a deciding factor in PS3's ultimate success. I own both a PS3 and Xbox 360 and I rarely play on PS3. The whole open network is cool in theory but in practice it's a headache.
One thing that is really great about Xbox Live is that it's all connected. I can play a game and not have to make sure Invert-Y is turned on because the Xbox 360 has that setting in your gamer profile. Any game I play on PS3 I must agree to a EULA whenever I load up it seems.  Firmware 2.0 was a HUGE let down. If Sony reads their forums at all they would have known that everyone expected in-game XMB access to be in 2.0. But nope. Of course the Sony fanboys (NOW THOSE ARE FANBOYS!) are so far up Sony's @$$ it's not even funny anymore. They said wait until [insert game here] comes out and you'll see! [that game] comes out and it does crappy. Blah blah PS fanboy rant lol.
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| Quote: | | Well, I must inform you that the PC will still win any day at sales. For the simple reason that a lot of people that don't have a console already have a PC. |
Yeah too bad Solitaire sales don't count otherwise this would be true. Go ahead and scroll back up to the article I quoted about Crysis and UT3 sales versus Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty 4. PC wins any day at sales? Wrong! Try again.
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| Vipralion wrote: | | Wii was released after PS3 and it's beating PS3 in sales. |
Well actually where you live that might be, here the Wii was released a lot earlier.
| Quote: | | And PC wins? Just because most people own a PC does not mean that they use it for gaming. Perhaps solitaire, some flash web based games I suppose but not games that you speak of. PC sales are declining. |
To give you an idea of the pc sales: http://www.c-i-a.com/pr0806.htm I wouldn't call that declining.
| Quote: | | People see consoles as a device that will not be suddenly outdated by new technology. Single core, hyper-threading, duo core, quad core, what's next? Oh and of course the video cards that cost as much as a console. Ouch. |
Do you even know what all of that is. Hyper Threading is simply a method to virtually split the processor in two parts to offer better multi threading support. and really, dual and quad core aren't needed.
| Quote: | | According to you. Check the reviews. Halo 3 is all that and a bag of chips. Don't be hatin' just cuz you can't handle joysticks. |
Lets just say, if you don't pay for xbox live you can pretty much forget about having fun with Halo 3. The only worth while part of it is online. Oh and if you claim I can't handle a controller, lets see how you play a shooter with nothing but your keyboard. I doubt you could still do that.
P | Quote: | | C glory days existed before this generation of consoles. Sorry! But even then, PS2 dominated PC sales as well. 120+ million console sales to date! |
Oh please check those PC sales table I linked to earlier. Roughly 170 million pc's are sold every year.
| Quote: | | Compare PC games released recently to console games released recently. |
PC wins, you only look at the main stream games, but there are a lot of excelent (and free) games that nobody ever heard about. Need an example, check out Supreme Commander, CoD4 (PC release), HL2, you can go on for long.
| Quote: | | Pudding. Proof. Pie. |
Your good friends at NPD made a nice report about the insane high Wii sales: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12.....ref=slogin
| Quote: | | Ah but you do not deny that I am not biased. Thank you! |
You are in fact biased pro xbox360.
| Quote: | | Bah, how bout no? This is a PC dominated forum (with a Wii guy too). Why not stand up for the guy without a voice in this forum? Yeah! How about you get a similar shirt but for PC? But ick, you've seen the marketing for Mac and PC. Go get a Mac instead. |
Sorry, but I think apple is doing even worse than microsoft. Oh and sorry, I can't wear a pro-pc tshirt. I'm already wearing the one with a big Tux on it.
| Quote: | | Innovative controls... Yeah... swinging a basebat like you would really swing it is innovative. *snore* |
You're refusing to look further than that. The Wii has made developers do things that they wouldn't dare before. Like giving the player complete control over objects in game. Like with a sword in certain games, the ability to actually do something instead of trying to push a button fast enough.
| Quote: | | Oh and low blow attacking me. Let's not make this personal ok? |
What, I'm only saying the truth; If you're less social you're less likely to like a Wii.
| Quote: | | Neither can you! But as humans, it is in our nature to label and categorize. To just label everyone people doesn't say much for variety does it? |
Your whole "real gamer" statement is totally stupid and biased. I don't call Counterstrike Source players gamers to give you an example.
| Quote: | | Arrogance? Xbox 360 does NOT own everything. For one, why does it have such a high failure rate? |
Cause microsoft rushed its release and didn't think before acting.
| Quote: | | The software that is running on it is top notch, fully featured, to the T! |
Uhm, not really. You can simply install an OS on a PS3 that has far more features.
| Quote: | | PlayStation 3 on the other hand has horrible firmware which actually breaks connectivity and playability of games on the PS3/PSN in many cases. But the hardware! The hardware is top notch, fully featured, to the T! |
They're making the same mistake as microsoft, rushed release.
| Quote: | | Wii is nice and cheap! Too bad I despise Nintendo's approach to online gaming with it. There is no community there! |
Might come soon enough, keep in mind the Wii firmware has updates available.
| Quote: | | Honestly, I could defend any platform. I am completely aware of the pros and cons for each. If you were against PC gaming I would bring up points *for* PC gaming. |
So, no opinion?
| Quote: | | Although I do have one question for you, how do *you* justify the high cost of PC gaming? Not trying to be offensive or anything with this. It's just one point that I have a hard time defending when PS3 fanboys attack PC gaming, particularly when they compare costs of gaming. |
PC gaming isn't as expensive as a lot of people claim it to be. There are a few things though, just DON'T buy a pc of a big brand like Dell or HP. Select the parts yourself. And you don't need the newest hardware to play the newest game. I run crysis on my 2 year old computer. Even games like supreme commander can run on the onboard graphics chip (I know it's possible cause I sometimes do it). And this PC didn't exactly cost me a lot. The most expensive part about all of this are the games. And they're still cheaper than the PS3 and Xbox360 games.
| Quote: | | You can't dictate what's boring and what isn't. ^.^ |
Well actually I can A lot of communities around PC games have extensive boards, channels on irc servers, and way more things. Often with hundreds or thousands of users online at all time.
| Quote: | | What do you expect from Microsoft? lol. |
Nothing better.
| Quote: | | And that could very well be a deciding factor in PS3's ultimate success. I own both a PS3 and Xbox 360 and I rarely play on PS3. The whole open network is cool in theory but in practice it's a headache. |
Well the PS3 has a few other advantages, Like the fact that you can install linux on it and use it as a regular computer.
| Quote: | | One thing that is really great about Xbox Live is that it's all connected. I can play a game and not have to make sure Invert-Y is turned on because the Xbox 360 has that setting in your gamer profile. Any game I play on PS3 I must agree to a EULA whenever I load up it seems. |
Well you already had that with the PS2. But that's mainly the game producers their fault. They could make a save file for it.
| Quote: | | Firmware 2.0 was a HUGE let down. If Sony reads their forums at all they would have known that everyone expected in-game XMB access to be in 2.0. But nope. Of course the Sony fanboys (NOW THOSE ARE FANBOYS!) are so far up Sony's @$$ it's not even funny anymore. They said wait until [insert game here] comes out and you'll see! [that game] comes out and it does crappy. Blah blah PS fanboy rant lol. |
Not a single big company (not even microsoft) reads their forums that well. And the fact is, a lot of people only buy consoles for the exclusives. Most people are actually waiting for final fantasy and metal gear to come out before buying a PS3.
| Quote: | | Yeah too bad Solitaire sales don't count otherwise this would be true. Go ahead and scroll back up to the article I quoted about Crysis and UT3 sales versus Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty 4. PC wins any day at sales? Wrong! Try again. |
Oh really, that's why the original HL2 already had 4 million sales in 2006... Now you might want to realize that episode 1 and 2 will likely come close to that count cause everybody wants to know the rest of the story.
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The PC isn't cheaper, it is by far the most expensive. The whole idea of a console is to be able to mass produce a certain hardware configuration. If you want good graphics or good frames per second then you have to spend tons of money to get a good video card, a good processor, a good sound card etc.
With a console you always know a game will run smoothly and look as good as you have seen because it was built on the exact same hardware, with a PC you may have to turn down the quality or dish out some more money from your wallet so it can look good.
I don't think sales determine anything because Halo 3 set a record for sales but it was easily the most over rated, over hyped game ever made. I traded it in within a few weeks because it gets boring fast.
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| Scott wrote: | | The PC isn't cheaper, it is by far the most expensive. The whole idea of a console is to be able to mass produce a certain hardware configuration. If you want good graphics or good frames per second then you have to spend tons of money to get a good video card, a good processor, a good sound card etc. |
Who ever claimed you need the newest hardware to be able to play games?
My 2 year old computer that didn't exactly cost me a lot runs even newer games fine. The only thing I have to do is buy a new hard drive once in a while cause I run out of space to install everything.
| Quote: | | With a console you always know a game will run smoothly and look as good as you have seen because it was built on the exact same hardware |
A lot of the pre release screenshots are made on development versions that often have more powerful hardware.
| Quote: | | with a PC you may have to turn down the quality or dish out some more money from your wallet so it can look good. |
Graphics don't matter
| Quote: | | I don't think sales determine anything because Halo 3 set a record for sales but it was easily the most over rated, over hyped game ever made. I traded it in within a few weeks because it gets boring fast. |
Well, here you have your confirmation about Halo 3
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Sales don't mean much in my view. Just because someone bought the game, doesn't show when they sold the game. Look at used game stores, I can bet you will find many copies of Halo 3 and the other top sellers. People fall for the hype, and end up hating the game. It would be very hard to determine and manage, but some sort of list for the games that are traded in the quickest would be a good idea. If such a list was ever made, it would shut people up with their "this game must be great, because it sold millions right away" nonsense. I agree with some top sellers, but not all. I'm not a sheep that just goes with the pack and buys every top seller, like many people seem to be.
| Quote: | | Innovative controls... Yeah... swinging a basebat like you would really swing it is innovative. *snore* |
The Wii controls are innovative and actually make gamers do something! Instead of being a lazy slug that stares at a screen and mashes buttons, you need to actually move a bit. It seems like most people that bash the Wii controls are either not active, ignorant or a bit of both.
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QED. PC wins... as it always have.
| Scott wrote: | | With a console you always know a game will run smoothly and look as good as you have seen because it was built on the exact same hardware, with a PC you may have to turn down the quality or dish out some more money from your wallet so it can look good. |
That's the pro-argument everyone makes about consoles, and it's a valid argument. However, can your console type your essay, check your e-mail, burn CDs or (God forbid) browse teh pr0ns? The expensive price of a PC versus a console justifies itself.
On a side note, I wished Assassin's Creed came out on the PC at the same time as the consoles (stupid delay!).
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| Quote: | | However, can your console type your essay, check your e-mail, burn CDs or (God forbid) browse teh pr0ns? |
Some can, some can't... but frankly, a video game console shouldn't be used as a computer in my view. It should be for gaming only, and nothing else. The idea of "let's jam many things into a video game system" was created by Sony and Microsoft to get an edge up on Nintendo. But frankly I see it as stupid, especially when it's been proven that all features don't run perfectly on the systems. A PlayStation wont play all CDs correctly, a PS2 wont play all DVDs right and so on. The newest systems (PS3 and Xbox 360) don't even play all previous games. Why even have backwards compatability if it's crap?
I've thought of buying a PS3 sometime, but that means I'll need to check if all my PS2 games work on it. Otherwise I need to keep my PS2. With the Wii, this problem doesn't exist. Sony and Microsoft screwed their fans over on this.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | | Quote: | | However, can your console type your essay, check your e-mail, burn CDs or (God forbid) browse teh pr0ns? |
Some can, some can't... but frankly, a video game console shouldn't be used as a computer in my view. It should be for gaming only, and nothing else. The idea of "let's jam many things into a video game system" was created by Sony and Microsoft to get an edge up on Nintendo. But frankly I see it as stupid, especially when it's been proven that all features don't run perfectly on the systems. A PlayStation wont play all CDs correctly, a PS2 wont play all DVDs right and so on. The newest systems (PS3 and Xbox 360) don't even play all previous games. Why even have backwards compatability if it's crap?
I've thought of buying a PS3 sometime, but that means I'll need to check if all my PS2 games work on it. Otherwise I need to keep my PS2. With the Wii, this problem doesn't exist. Sony and Microsoft screwed their fans over on this. |
The hardware of the Gamecube and the Wii is near to identical in fact.
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| Quote: | | Lets just say, if you don't pay for xbox live you can pretty much forget about having fun with Halo 3. The only worth while part of it is online. Oh and if you claim I can't handle a controller, lets see how you play a shooter with nothing but your keyboard. I doubt you could still do that. |
Umm... my PC has a mouse. Why would I just want to use the keyboard? I like K/M. I like controllers (of which X360 is the best). What's your point? And Xbox 360 is all about Xbox Live. Why do you think when you turn on the console you load up into the Xbox Live blade? Marketplace has so many movies. Now if only they would integrate Zune Marketplace we'd have something pretty damn substantial.
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| Quote: | | Oh please check those PC sales table I linked to earlier. Roughly 170 million pc's are sold every year. |
And this means what to gaming? An Xbox 360, PlayStation 3, and Wii are all purchased primarily for gaming. A PC is not.
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| Quote: | | You are in fact biased pro xbox360. |
At least as far as you can tell.
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| Quote: | | Sorry, but I think apple is doing even worse than microsoft. Oh and sorry, I can't wear a pro-pc tshirt. I'm already wearing the one with a big Tux on it. |
Woot
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| Quote: | | What, I'm only saying the truth; If you're less social you're less likely to like a Wii. |
Actually I'm less likely to like a Wii because I love gaming online with friends. If I want to be social I'll go out instead of sitting around the warm glow of the tv screen thank you very much.
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| Quote: | | Cause microsoft rushed its release and didn't think before acting. |
It actually did think and took the 1 year advantage as a trade-off. And it worked. Of course the cost is the whole $1 billion warranty deal but they are making up for it which is a good sign that Microsoft is here to stay in the gaming industry.
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| Quote: | | Uhm, not really. You can simply install an OS on a PS3 that has far more features. |
Yes, you can install a PC OS. Are we in the Techy Turf? No. We're talking about gaming here.
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| Quote: | | Might come soon enough, keep in mind the Wii firmware has updates available. |
Doubtful. Nintendo isn't going for the online gaming experience that Sony and Microsoft are going for. Nope. They want the online experience when it comes to gaming with people you know. It was a huge letdown for me when the SSBB website announced the details of online gaming. Not being able to text or even see the name of who you're facing... why not just play against bots?
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PC definitely has advantages and disadvantages when it comes to gaming. For one, investing a lot of money into your PC doesn't just benefit gaming. Of course the whole point of a console is for the gaming experience which is why it costs so much less.
But the real drawback is the cost of attaining the same level of experience you can get on a console.
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| Quote: | | PC gaming isn't as expensive as a lot of people claim it to be. There are a few things though, just DON'T buy a pc of a big brand like Dell or HP. Select the parts yourself. And you don't need the newest hardware to play the newest game. I run crysis on my 2 year old computer. Even games like supreme commander can run on the onboard graphics chip (I know it's possible cause I sometimes do it). And this PC didn't exactly cost me a lot. The most expensive part about all of this are the games. And they're still cheaper than the PS3 and Xbox360 games. |
I would never buy from Dell or any brand. Custom PC FTW.
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| Quote: | | Well the PS3 has a few other advantages, Like the fact that you can install linux on it and use it as a regular computer. |
Why would I want to do that when I have a much better experience with a real PC?
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| Quote: | | Not a single big company (not even microsoft) reads their forums that well. And the fact is, a lot of people only buy consoles for the exclusives. Most people are actually waiting for final fantasy and metal gear to come out before buying a PS3. |
Actually Microsoft does a great job of listening to their community.
http://majornelson.com http://twitter.com/majornelson
Weekly, Daily, even Hourly updates, podcasts, interviews, and all about Xbox 360 and Xbox Live.
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| Quote: | | Sales don't mean much in my view. Just because someone bought the game, doesn't show when they sold the game. Look at used game stores, I can bet you will find many copies of Halo 3 and the other top sellers. People fall for the hype, and end up hating the game. It would be very hard to determine and manage, but some sort of list for the games that are traded in the quickest would be a good idea. If such a list was ever made, it would shut people up with their "this game must be great, because it sold millions right away" nonsense. I agree with some top sellers, but not all. I'm not a sheep that just goes with the pack and buys every top seller, like many people seem to be. |
The game sells millions. The game gets rave reviews. It's a success. Actually the way Wii is selling, compared with its software sales, Wii owners are sheep. Interesting how your idea applies to a console too.
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| Quote: | | The Wii controls are innovative and actually make gamers do something! Instead of being a lazy slug that stares at a screen and mashes buttons, you need to actually move a bit. It seems like most people that bash the Wii controls are either not active, ignorant or a bit of both. |
Make gamers do something? You realize that the benefits of Wii gaming compared to normal gaming is really quite insignificant yes? At the very least, the mind is engaged when gaming at all, unlike the millions who watch hours of television.
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| Quote: | Some can, some can't... but frankly, a video game console shouldn't be used as a computer in my view. It should be for gaming only, and nothing else. The idea of "let's jam many things into a video game system" was created by Sony and Microsoft to get an edge up on Nintendo. But frankly I see it as stupid, especially when it's been proven that all features don't run perfectly on the systems. A PlayStation wont play all CDs correctly, a PS2 wont play all DVDs right and so on. The newest systems (PS3 and Xbox 360) don't even play all previous games. Why even have backwards compatability if it's crap?
I've thought of buying a PS3 sometime, but that means I'll need to check if all my PS2 games work on it. Otherwise I need to keep my PS2. With the Wii, this problem doesn't exist. Sony and Microsoft screwed their fans over on this. |
And that is why you love the Wii so much. It does gaming only and nothing else. I however, want the full entertainment experience. Xbox 360 has gaming, arcade games for purchase over Xbox Live, movies, TV shows, demos, game trailers, and recently there has been a quite a few music videos showing up.
It will be interesting to see how Sony counters Xbox Live with their own suite of services. I particularly like the recent rumors of a subscription based content system (not a pay-to-play subscription but pay to download all the content you want subscription).
Buy a 60gb PS3. They have the full featured backwards compatibility allowing you to play 98% of previous PS games. The new models have stripped these out in order to "encourage gamers to buy PS3 games". Kind of desperate for PS3 software sales eh?
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