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mcwkm
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 Posted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 12:18 am Post subject: Arm based processors |
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| Well arm cortex A8 processors(I believe thats their name) seem to be being developed by more manufacturers finally which is great to see something other than x86 architecture starting to be developed for consumer computers. There are some problems here though. One is that by the time any of these processors actually start shipping to consumers, intel has a huge amount of time to improve the atom line's performance and power consumption so there is not much hope in decreasing the market share of x86. Second full fledged windows does not run on anything but x86 architecture. Consumers will see benefits in intel atom processors improving power consumption and performance along with graphics that is either on chip or is actually not a garbage chipset. Also consumers who choose to buy an arm processor can always run debian and now ubuntu will support the arm architecture with the upcoming 9.04 release. (these aren't the only 2 operating systems that will support the chip but they are the two popular ones I can think of) |
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linuxdoctor
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| Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 5:36 pm Post subject: Re: Arm based processors |
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| mcwkm wrote: | | Well arm cortex A8 processors(I believe thats their name) seem to be being developed by more manufacturers finally which is great to see something other than x86 architecture starting to be developed for consumer computers. |
The Cortex-A8 is designed for consumer products not necessarily for desk- and lap-top computers. While you certain can makes desk- and lap-tops with these things that is not the market for these devices.
| mcwkm wrote: | | There are some problems here though. One is that by the time any of these processors actually start shipping to consumers, intel has a huge amount of time to improve the atom line's performance and power consumption so there is not much hope in decreasing the market share of x86. |
Competition is something every manufacturer faces.
| mcwkm wrote: | | Second full fledged windows does not run on anything but x86 architecture. |
Who in their right mind would actually want to use Windows (or any other Microsoft product) anyway?
| mcwkm wrote: | | Consumers will see benefits in intel atom processors improving power consumption and performance along with graphics that is either on chip or is actually not a garbage chipset. Also consumers who choose to buy an arm processor can always run debian and now ubuntu will support the arm architecture with the upcoming 9.04 release. (these aren't the only 2 operating systems that will support the chip but they are the two popular ones I can think of) |
Linux supports over forty different processors and processor families.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | mcwkm wrote: | | Well arm cortex A8 processors(I believe thats their name) seem to be being developed by more manufacturers finally which is great to see something other than x86 architecture starting to be developed for consumer computers. |
The Cortex-A8 is designed for consumer products not necessarily for desk- and lap-top computers. While you certain can makes desk- and lap-tops with these things that is not the market for these devices.
| mcwkm wrote: | | There are some problems here though. One is that by the time any of these processors actually start shipping to consumers, intel has a huge amount of time to improve the atom line's performance and power consumption so there is not much hope in decreasing the market share of x86. |
Competition is something every manufacturer faces.
| mcwkm wrote: | | Second full fledged windows does not run on anything but x86 architecture. |
Who in their right mind would actually want to use Windows (or any other Microsoft product) anyway?
| mcwkm wrote: | | Consumers will see benefits in intel atom processors improving power consumption and performance along with graphics that is either on chip or is actually not a garbage chipset. Also consumers who choose to buy an arm processor can always run debian and now ubuntu will support the arm architecture with the upcoming 9.04 release. (these aren't the only 2 operating systems that will support the chip but they are the two popular ones I can think of) |
Linux supports over forty different processors and processor families. |
I am in my right mind and I would actually want to use Windows.
Although we know fully well you got some hate towards Microsoft I hope you can understand that not everyone has the same opinion as you. 
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mcwkm
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| Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:09 am Post subject: Re: Arm based processors |
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | mcwkm wrote: | | Well arm cortex A8 processors(I believe thats their name) seem to be being developed by more manufacturers finally which is great to see something other than x86 architecture starting to be developed for consumer computers. |
The Cortex-A8 is designed for consumer products not necessarily for desk- and lap-top computers. While you certain can makes desk- and lap-tops with these things that is not the market for these devices.
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Well I expect to see this processor in netbook and nettop devices because it is suppose to outperform intel's atom at lower clock speeds and on netbooks a company will be able to squeeze out much better battery life out of lower capacity batteries.
I personally consider looking at some of these products with the intention of having a netbook or small laptop to always run. I don't need much processing power for most things I do and something using minimal power makes sense to me. Also expect if these are put in small form factor desktops to be looked at as home server options because of the low power consumption.
I personally love linux too but considering Microsoft Office easily beats out any other office software, there is some good software from the company. Also some programs simply only run right on Windows so at this point in time I personally always have one computer that has windows install just to run windows applications. |
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If you want something that runs well on any CPU architecture I advice you start looking into NetBSD. If it exists NetBSD has been or will be ported to it if it's not too rare.
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| mcwkm wrote: | | I personally love linux too but considering Microsoft Office easily beats out any other office software, there is some good software from the company. |
That is a matter of contention. A lot of people prefer OpenOffice other stick with Windows because it's what they're used to and are loath the change. I personally find Windows Word (amoung others) pretty backward and illogical. For instance, why is Page Setup under the File menu and not the Format menu? That one bugs me to no end. I don't use Windows Office much but to my mind it doesn't operate logically and that drives me nuts. Not many things can make me swear but using Word will do it.
Word is pretty bad software but people are used to it and so that's what they expect to see in other implementations. If they don't get it they think that the different thing is worse than the bad thing to begin with,
In other words, people hate change. People are also pretty stupid.
| mcwkm wrote: | | Also some programs simply only run right on Windows so at this point in time I personally always have one computer that has windows install just to run windows applications. |
Maybe it's time you started looking for software that does the same thing but runs on Linux instead. Please don't fall into the trap that because some application does things differently it is worse than Microsoft version which defines what 'bad' is.
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| Actually I use a OpenOffice all the time, but Excel is a much better option then Calc. Word processing is not something that is enriched by a lot of features. I don't use any other office software enough to comment on them. Clearly your not going to admit that Microsoft is worth supporting at all but when I already have liscenes for software that is Windows based or a company is paying for software that is windows based because it is the best available option or they will not need to train people to learn new software, there clearly is a use for Windows at times and just because I have a copy of Windows and use it doesn't make me any less supportive of open source software. |
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | mcwkm wrote: | | I personally love linux too but considering Microsoft Office easily beats out any other office software, there is some good software from the company. |
That is a matter of contention. A lot of people prefer OpenOffice other stick with Windows because it's what they're used to and are loath the change. I personally find Windows Word (amoung others) pretty backward and illogical. For instance, why is Page Setup under the File menu and not the Format menu? That one bugs me to no end. I don't use Windows Office much but to my mind it doesn't operate logically and that drives me nuts. Not many things can make me swear but using Word will do it.
Word is pretty bad software but people are used to it and so that's what they expect to see in other implementations. If they don't get it they think that the different thing is worse than the bad thing to begin with,
In other words, people hate change. People are also pretty stupid. |
There was a period where I used Linux ~95% of the time for a year and used OpenOffice and only that and it didn't cut it, and OOo3 doesn't seem much better. MS Office is one of the best Microsoft products. Maybe OOo has the upper hand in value for money but I'd be subjective as MS Office cost $75 for me with the education promotion.
Now, I find OpenOffice to be the one that's backwards and illogical, despite a year of using it, I still can't get near the approach to making documents as I do in MS Office, I find this hard to describe, but I try to use Word/Writer as if it was TeX if that helps clear things up.
And the File>Page Setup wasn't too bad as it was related to File>Print. Either way, in the 2007 version, it is in its own "Page Layout" menu category.
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| krt wrote: | | linuxdoctor wrote: | | mcwkm wrote: | | I personally love linux too but considering Microsoft Office easily beats out any other office software, there is some good software from the company. |
That is a matter of contention. A lot of people prefer OpenOffice other stick with Windows because it's what they're used to and are loath the change. I personally find Windows Word (amoung others) pretty backward and illogical. For instance, why is Page Setup under the File menu and not the Format menu? That one bugs me to no end. I don't use Windows Office much but to my mind it doesn't operate logically and that drives me nuts. Not many things can make me swear but using Word will do it.
Word is pretty bad software but people are used to it and so that's what they expect to see in other implementations. If they don't get it they think that the different thing is worse than the bad thing to begin with,
In other words, people hate change. People are also pretty stupid. |
There was a period where I used Linux ~95% of the time for a year and used OpenOffice and only that and it didn't cut it, and OOo3 doesn't seem much better. MS Office is one of the best Microsoft products. Maybe OOo has the upper hand in value for money but I'd be subjective as MS Office cost $75 for me with the education promotion.
Now, I find OpenOffice to be the one that's backwards and illogical, despite a year of using it, I still can't get near the approach to making documents as I do in MS Office, I find this hard to describe, but I try to use Word/Writer as if it was TeX if that helps clear things up.
And the File>Page Setup wasn't too bad as it was related to File>Print. Either way, in the 2007 version, it is in its own "Page Layout" menu category. |
I've had the exact opposite experience with OO.org and Microsoft Office.
I found OO.org to be just what I needed for opening documents people send in and light editing of those documents. The compatibility issues between Word and Write have been very minor (and increasingly rare since OO.org 3.0) so they aren't a big problem.
The real discussion here is what will Microsoft do when ARM based netbooks are able to run Linux, Firefox, Flash 10 (Adobe is porting it to ARM now), and others with Google Docs based on SoC technology with a 4 day battery life using Li-Poly batteries. Windows 7, Office, etc will never run on that and the prices are expected to start at $200 then go down from there.
It will be very interesting to see what happens in the market as computers get cheaper, faster, and lighter with each new technology.
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