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pjthefarmer
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think Arsenal have a very good chance of winning the title this year, even despite the loss of Patrick Vieira. Fabreges is maturing with every game and Flamini is impressing me more and more with every game i see him play in. Yes there are some doubts about their defense but all the other top teams, apart from Chelsea, have the same problem.

The main thing Arsenal have going for them is Thierry Henry. Chelsea just don't have any that can make or score as mant goals as he can' He is a master at the game and one of the world's best in my opinion.

I would say Arsenal could do with 1 more signing before the transfer deadline. Will it happen though? Thats the question!
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SE13
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arsenal will take Alexandre Billong Song on loan for the next twelve months, with a view to a possible permanent move next summer. The figure was quoted at fivehundredthousand euros for the first twelve months of the loan deal, and aproximately three and a half million euros transfer fee after this time. Although this is something of a "sale or return" deal, it would appear to make good business sense from an Arsenal prospective.

This would technically make an extra signing, pjthefarmer, and with the news that Cesc Faregas has signed a six year deal today, things are starting to fall into place rather nicely.
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pjthefarmer
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 11, 2005 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What position does Song play in? And would he be good enough for the Premiership? Alot of recent Premiership signings aren't makin the grade but i am sure that Arsene Wenger knows what he is doing. He has found a few gems in his time, namely signing Freddie Ljungberg for £500,000 (i think). What a signing, and what a bargain, he turned out to be.

Glad to hear that Febregas has been awarded with a new deal. He deserves it. Looks like another top player. I bet Barcelona are kicking themselves for losing him now!
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Magpie
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 6:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HaRvEy wrote:
I'm a bit peed off at Freddy Shepherd. He clearly is backing Souness with the money, and if things do go wrong what will happen? Souness will get sacked, when had Shepherd given him the money we could have had Boa Morte and a couple of strikers by now. Shepherd's been a poor chairman for the past 3 years, it's dissapointing, he's the one holding us back.


It's funny really because I think the opposite. He's always financially supported whichever manager we've had as far as I can see. Look at the Rooney situation; I know that the player was never going to choose us over ManUre but Freddy put up £28 million all the same. I can't think of a time when any manager has complained that funds weren't available. If things go TU and the players under-perform, it's down to the manager and not the Chairman. I personally don't think Souness is the right man for the job in any case but that's just my humble opinion Smile

The problem is, we can't attract many decent players because most footballers want to either live in London or play for ManUre. This is made even worse by the fact that we can't even offer European football any more. Our only hope of getting anyone who's any good now is Michael Owen taking pity on us and grasping the opportuniy to play every week, whilst aiming for a European place and (finally) a piece of domestic silverware.

SE13 wrote:
I personally can't wait for kick off, which will be screened live on the UK pay per view channel.


As far as I'm aware it's on Sky Sports 1 and not the Premiership Plus PPV channel.

Oh, and sorry to take over the AFC thread for a bit!!!
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HaRvEy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 12, 2005 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magpie wrote:

It's funny really because I think the opposite. He's always financially supported whichever manager we've had as far as I can see. Look at the Rooney situation; I know that the player was never going to choose us over ManUre but Freddy put up £28 million all the same. I can't think of a time when any manager has complained that funds weren't available. If things go TU and the players under-perform, it's down to the manager and not the Chairman. I personally don't think Souness is the right man for the job in any case but that's just my humble opinion Smile

4 years ago and before he did come up with the money. But now i've looked at it, the financial records Freddy Shepherd hasnt put a penny of his own money into Nwcastle for 7 years. 3 years ago the only player we got was Lee Bowyer. This January, Souey's money was all from the sale of Jonathan Woodgate. And the money we've spent so far is all what has been recouperated from player sales and thats added up to be able to buy 2 players Laughing I think Souness was spot on when he said "I need money to make this club successful" and he's had to sell to buy lately. Shepherd will have to put his hand in his pocket for us to climb the table, it's clear our squad size is poor. If we start badly and Souness is sacked that would be a disgrace because it would all be down to Shepherd not getting the players Souey wanted. As for Owen, Rooney and Ronaldinho bids i think they were all smokescreens to hide the problems that are/were going on. We're in crisis in terms of new players so Shepherd thinks well why not say Michael Owens name a few times so the fans think we're doing something. When Shepherd was supposed to go to Madrid on Tuesday to talk to Real Madrid about Owen but he went to Dublin instead, either he's got screwed up Geography skills or he's thinking get lost if you think i'm chipping in 12-16m for him.
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afcpaul
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got three signatures on my shirt from 3 Arsenal legends, Emmanuel Petit, Lee Dixon and Perry Groves. Before the games loads came out and I came late Sad I shook loads of hands and Pat Jennings said no to me, pissed me off.

Still it was great with my shirt increasing its value. Wink

I though Jenas should have got at least a yellow anyway, he could have seriously injured Gilberto Silva but I think it was unintentional so it was more of a yellow than a red.

The penalty was a penalty after watching match of the day 2 this evening, Graeme Le Saux clearly pointed out N'zogbia pushing Ljungberg, putting off Ljungberg which made him miss the ball completely.

Van Persie was great and I'm pleased we got to give him the right reception, of course it was inevitable Newcastle fans started chanting rapist but shut them soon up Smile


Thierry...soon to Wrights record
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Crazysah
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Arsenal vs Newcastle was played yesaterday and I think Arsenal played very well, and Alexander Hleb impressed on his debut, though he came on as a second half-subsitute.

Henry opened the scoring with a penalty and I think Cesc scored the second goal minutes later.
All in all a good game.
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SE13
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The second goal was scored by Robin Van Persie.

I thought the game was somewhat overshadowed by a dubious red card for Newcastle midfielder, Jermaine Jenas. It was the first real challenge of any note through the game, and although Jenas came in from behind Gilberto, he did appear to take the ball first. The referee deemed the challenge as using excessive force, which under the new ruling, warrents an instant red card. From the position I saw proceedings, it appeared to me that the linesman gave the foul, but was not consulted as to his thoughts. The sending off changed the whole complexion of the game, which up to that point was fairly evenly matched. Newcastle had employed a five man midfield strategy, which appeared to stifle Arsenals free play and one touch passing.

The second half saw Arsenal turn on the style, but the dogged Newcastle defence held firm up until the eighty-first minute, when Freddie Ljungberg was manhandled in the penalty area. Thierry Henry stepped up and slotted the ball to the goalkeepers right hand side. Shay Given did get a hand to the ball, but it was struck hard and true into the corner. 1-0. Newcastle began to pour forward in numbers striving for an equalising goal, but were hit with a typical Arsenal counter-attack, at pace with crisp passing, rounded off with Robin Van Persie beating the goalkeeper on his near post.

Three points in the bag, perhaps somewhat forunately, but hey, they all count.

Onwards to Stamford Bridge next Sunday when the current Premiership champions, Chelsea entertain the Gunners in a 4pm kick off, live on the television.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 4:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Thierry Henry said "Newcastle have been hard done by"

the ref screwed us over and we fought hard, deserved a point. Not the first time we've been cheated against Arsenal and it probably wont be the last
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Magpie
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The game was summed up yesterday with the fans chanting "To the referee 1-0" after the first goal went in. It was no way a straight red for JJ and the replays showed than the ref couldn't even SEE the tackle, as two players were in his way. How can he have made such an important decision as that without at least consulting the linesman? Madness!! I never expected us to win but that incident changed the whole game so we'll never know how it would have turned out.

As far as the rest of the season goes, we really REALLY need some firepower up front. If not, I think I'm going to have to get used to looking at the bottom half of the table from now on Sad
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afcpaul
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The red has become a yellow now, that was pretty quick.
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Magpie
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That IS quick. Mind you, it probably proves how wrong the decision was in the first place.

... a case in favour of video replays perhaps?
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2005 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bennett should never referee a Newcastle game again. He's sent a letter of apology to Newcastle for his performance. That doesnt change the score though does it

Nov 2000: Didn't dismiss Birmingham City's Ian Bennett after bringing down Alan Shearer as he rounded the 'keeper.

Jan 2001: Sent off two Newcastle players at White Hart Lane as we lost 4-2, Bennett also awarding two dubious Spurs penalties.

Nov 2003: Failed to award a penalty at Molineux as ex-mackem Craddock handled a cross in the box.

Aug 2004: Didn't spot Boro's Hasselbaink handle the ball into the net for a late equaliser at the Riverside.

Dec 2004: Arsenal at St.James' and Ashley Cole admitted he'd handled in his own box, but got away scot-free

Aug 2005: Rivalled foolish colleague Rennie's sending off of Shearer with an unbelievable red card for Jenas. Dubious late penalty given against N'Zogbia.

Why does this official keep being given our London games to officiate (Arsenal, Tottenham, Charlton) when he's from just down the road? Tyneside whistler Mark Clattenberg has never reffed at St. James'.
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SE13
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2005 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Magpie wrote:
That IS quick. Mind you, it probably proves how wrong the decision was in the first place.

... a case in favour of video replays perhaps?


I have been in favour of replays for some time now. It wouldn't cost the game that much time, especially in the top flight. Perhaps some of the money from where The FA have ripped fans off (examples to follow) can be used for the lower league clubs with little or no cash to spare, but are repeatedly denied of results by utter appalling refereeing.

Examples of The FA ripping us, the fan, off...

The FA CUP semi Final between Arsenal and Blackburn last season.... £45 (yes fourtyfive) minimum per ticket, hosted at The Millenium Stadium, Cardiff. Possibly the most inconvenient place for fans to get to, especially when they secured a happy pay-day with the tv people to broadcast the game live with a 12:15pm kick off. So not only was the pricing outragous, but for me to get there in time, I had to set off at 04:30 in the morning, as did the Blackburn fans. London based Arsenal fans had it slightly easier, not needing to set off until around the 05:30 mark. As a result of the early start and the ticket pricing, Blackburn sold less than a half of their allocation, leaving thousands of empty seats, which could easily have been filled, had the prices been lower and the kick off time been altered to the traditional 3pm.

The Cup Final was almost as bad, with ticket prices rising to £60 (yes sixty), and again in Cardiff. For those who don't know The UK, Cardiff is situated in Wales, and basically has one road in and one road out. Traffic is murder at the best of times, but with an added seventy two thousand fans fighting their way in.... Well you get the picture!!

Newcastle fans for the second semi-final had it even worse with having to set off the evening before, to ensure being there in time for kick-off.

SO, why were the two semi finals played in Cardiff..... MONEY!!! The FA were guarenteed as much money as they could physically lay their hands on from this, and how much has been pumped back into football.... If you had any doubt, the answer is slap-bang in the middle of minus one, and one!!!

How much have The FA pumped in technology..... Nothing!!! They deem themselves too perfect to be questioned!!! Funnily enough, though, they suddenly find enough technology to spot an off-the-ball incident to ban a player!!! Funny that!!
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well we've had two shocking decisions by referees (both involving Jermaine Jenas - bizarre!) that could have easily been avoided if replays had been available. It's no good rescinding a red card after a game because the game has already been spolied by the bad decision. I agree that replays would be a good idea.

Besides, most of the time, the ball is dead anyway so I don't see how the "It'll slow the game down" argument works, especially as the guy controlling the video replay can be looking at the incident whilst the players are protesting to the referee on the pitch!!

It works very well in other sports, such as Rugby, and I really can't see why it couldn't be introduced (on a trial basis initially) to football.
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