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SE13
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Well, there we are!! As much as Arsenal undid Newcastle United with a shocking refereeing decision last Sunday, Arsenal themselves wereundone by a shocker of a decision and a freak goal to boot.
The free kick was very dubious to say the least in the first place. And given that Didier Drogba was offside as well, and failed to control the ball, instead allowing it to knock off his shin and past the helpless goalkeeper, Jens Lehmann, Arsenal have every reason to feel at least as hard done-by as their previous opponents.
There are many, many other incidents of shocking decisions. I have long since been a supporter of the video ref idea. We were first going on about it in the 1980's, yet still we wait.
I wonder, down the years, how much these decisions have cost teams, in terms of status, Europe and such like.
| Quote: | Andy Welsh v Liverpool: Shambolick Officials - Barry Knight + Unnamed Linesman
Andy Welsh's sending off was simply ludicrous. It actually made me laugh. The referee and the linesman consulted and sent Welsh off for "Swing Of An Arm". Again, how could the linesman possibly see an arm been swung? No disrespect, but the culture of Alonso's/Garcia's (I forget upon who the challenge was made) previous career and clubs must come into play. La Liga is not as physical as the Premier League. These players go down like theyve been hit with a baseball bat. On MoTD replays, the linesman was also facing away, then had the guts to call it a red card offence.
Steven Gerrard.
Steven Gerrard should have been shown a red card today, for his first tackle alone if nothing else. His second tackle on Alan Stubbs, he had no intention of playing the ball, he didn't on the first challenge either. How can referees miss this but send others off? Same goes with the linesmen.
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Again, I have just watched this on MOTD, and where the red card came from I really have absolutely no idea. It was an absolute joke decision, and for the money these officials are being paid, I wonder how they have the cheek to call themselves professional.
Plus the Gerrard decisions....Had that been any other player, he might well have walked.... Twice
Time for The FA to have a good look at the standard of the officials, or to move on with the times. Every other sport seems to be able to cope with video refs, so why can't we..???
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afcpaul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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I am disappointed in the manner that we lost and it is very frustrating when Arsenal choose to pass that one time too many.
It is a real shame that Chelsea's goal couldn't have been even a decent goal which leaves us chances to complain about decisions 
Hleb is looking to be a great signing, fitting in straight away as part of the team. I think that Reyes should have been in the squad because Bergkamp wouldn't have been a super sub as much as Reyes could have been with his pace and touches. |
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Magpie
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| SE13 wrote: | Well, there we are!! As much as Arsenal undid Newcastle United with a shocking refereeing decision last Sunday, Arsenal themselves wereundone by a shocker of a decision and a freak goal to boot.
The free kick was very dubious to say the least in the first place. And given that Didier Drogba was offside as well, and failed to control the ball, instead allowing it to knock off his shin and past the helpless goalkeeper, Jens Lehmann, Arsenal have every reason to feel at least as hard done-by as their previous opponents.
There are many, many other incidents of shocking decisions. I have long since been a supporter of the video ref idea. We were first going on about it in the 1980's, yet still we wait.
I wonder, down the years, how much these decisions have cost teams, in terms of status, Europe and such like.
Time for The FA to have a good look at the standard of the officials, or to move on with the times. Every other sport seems to be able to cope with video refs, so why can't we..??? |
Those who are opposed to the intoduction of video replays will look at your first statement and say "well that evens up for the previous week when your opponents had a man sent off" Personally I don't subscribe to that point of view and think that more people would be happy with a decision based on replay evidence - be it for OR against their club - rather than thinking it might even out over the season.
Just to reinforce the argument in favour of video replays, what about one-off games? I remember Chesterfield being denied the chance to beat Middlesbrough in the FA Cup semi-final three or four years back because a perfectly good goal was disallowed. That kind of decision can't even itself out over a season and the Chesterfield players and fans felt justifiably robbed because they would have gone on to meet Chelsea in the final, had a fantastic day out and also the club would have made a lot of money. That decision alone could have cost the equivalent of Chesterfield's turnover for an entire year. |
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SE13
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I remember the individual point you raised there, Magpie, in The FA Cup semi final at Old Trafford. Of the sixty seven or so thousand paople in the ground and the twenty or so million viewers on the television, there can only be two people that didn't see the ball cross the line, in the shape of the referee and the linesman. The loss for Chesterfield would have been immense. For starters just the reciepts from the Cup Final alone would run into millions of pounds, add onto that the sponsorship potentially missed out on. Then of course there would be the small matter of the qualification for Europe, which in itself is a potential goldmine, with the added sponsors, television rights, and I don't know what else.
There are so many point we could use to prove why we need to lobby or insist that football gets up to date with all the technology available!
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| SE13 wrote: | | There are so many point we could use to prove why we need to lobby or insist that football gets up to date with all the technology available! |
It's as if the FA is living in the past. When I'm watching a game, I can pause the action, rewind it and watch it again in slow motion. And that's in my home!! How they can justify ignoring the wealth of technology available and hide behind the traditionalist view that football should stick to its roots is ridiculous. The FA needs a massive overhaul and the Old School Tie brigade replaced with up-to-date forward thinkers. We invented the game and so we should be seen to be developing it. In my opinion it's one of the best sports in the world but it can only go on by moving with the times. |
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| Magpie wrote: | | It's as if the FA is living in the past. When I'm watching a game, I can pause the action, rewind it and watch it again in slow motion. And that's in my home!! |
My point entirely, Magpie. If we can physically do this in the comfort of our armchairs, in a matter of seconds, there can be absoutely no reason why some-one, namely the fourth official can not do exactly the same thing. The referee and linesmen are already in contact with each other via the medium of a buzzer.......That is to say that when the linesman raises his flag, and decides that the referee has not spotted the flaf, he presses his button, and the referee feels a buzz, encouraging him to check the linesmen.
Should the fourth official, sat high in the stands, spot something that has been overlooked or incorrectly judged, then he would then have the power to do much the same, but to also speak to the officials to clarify what he has seen on his instant replays.
Another classic case in question was only last evening, when Everton were unceremoniously dumped out of the Champions League with a goal ruled out for no infringement, although the referee saw it somewhat different. This will cost the club in excess of fifteen million pounds in lost Champions League revenue, although they can make a fraction, and I stress fraction of it back in The UEFA Cup, into which they now find themselves relegated.
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I am very pleased with our group, Bergkamp can play against Ajax for one last time, unless his testimonial in the new stadium is against them.
Spartak will be tricky and rookies FC Thun.
We should do well but then again, you never know. |
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It was, indeed, a pleasing draw, Paul. In theory, Arsenal have the easiest passage into the knock out stages of the competition, but of course our record in this competition is far from the greatest. The quarter finals is nothing to be jumping up and down about, so hopefully Arsene can put the past years into the experience category, and actually use those years as a learning curve, and this time around actually push the traditional European giants and maybe better previous progress.
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Unfortunately, not the greatest start to the season, with the defeat to Chelsea, but pleasing wins over Newcastle United, and Fulham gives six points from nine. The Liverpool match has been postponed to an as yet unknown date, due to their commitments in The Super-Cup, allowing a game in hand. Personally I would rather see the points in the bag than the game in hand, but this could yet prove decisive at a latter point in the season!!
Thierry Henry is now within one goal of Ian Wrights all-time goal scoring record at Arsenal, and I personally hope that Ian will be in his seat at Highbury when Thierry bangs in the goal at The North bank End. (Ian Wright himself broke Cliff Bastins record at The Clock End) I am sure Ian willl wish him well, as the new record (bearing in mind Thierry's age) will take quite a time, if ever, to be beaten.
The cans are in the fridge, and the television is warmly awaiting proceedings this weekend coming!!
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I really do hope its at home because I will be at the home games up until november so far so I hope he doesn't go through a goal drought
I am happy we signed Mart Poom, in previous years he was brilliant until injury, I just hope he is as good, he also has over 100 international caps which gives him great experience. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 3:07 am Post subject: Arsenal must looking for a new trainer! |
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Arsenal has a really good team with the best players in the world, but the trainer isn't also so good. He hasn't a happy face, look everyday unhappy, and look angry. I believe that Arsene Wenger look to much at his defending, but with this players he must dominate and attacking.
Henry
Pires
Bergkamp
Owusu Abeyie
v. Persie
Ljungberg
That's a top team, they must dominate and attack. I believe that the championship is for Arsenal. |
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Arsenal is a beautiful club in London and has got the best striker of the world : Thierry Henry.
And also the Dutch top attackers Robin van Persie and Dennis Bergkamp!
Arsenal not the best club in the premiership, I think that is Chelsea but i don't like Chelsea because they win with money.
They can buy the best players in the world thanks to Roman Abramovitsh, and Jose Mourinho is a very poor trainer I think.
He thinks that he is the best and that is what I don't like about him.
Arsenal is the best club of London and I don't like that they go out of Highbury because it is a beautiful stadium. |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:12 am Post subject: Arsenal needs a new coach |
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The Arsenal Football Club has got the most beautiful stadium of England and also the best players of England. only the results are nog always good. But I think it is the coach Arsene Wenger. He is to long at Arsenal now and I think he needs to go to an other club and bring a new team at the top of the league. Maybe Marseille is a nice challange for him. I think that Martin Jol is a good trainer for Arsenal. Jol likes attaking style of play and is not like Wenger always playing counterfootball.
Next season Arsenal must get a new trainer i think. |
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| Arsenal is gooood!!! i like Henry and Bergkamp.. Reyes is also a good player.. arsenal are the best of England!! |
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| Posted: Wed Sep 07, 2005 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Arsenal needs a new coach |
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| aquamarijn wrote: | | The Arsenal Football Club has got the most beautiful stadium of England and also the best players of England. only the results are nog always good. |
Are you having a giraffe?
They're leaving highbury because it's a dump and they want something new and classy, there new ground might be the best in England unless Wembley is complete on time.
As for players they lack strength in depth. The trio that made them so succesful CAMPBELL-VIEIRA-HENRY has fell apart.
Henry is still world class, but big mistake giving him the captains arm band, Strikers dont make good captains because they have there backs to the game. Unless your Alan Shearer and you shout and get your message across, but Henry doesnt do that.
Campbell's injury's have destroyed him, what was it only 16 games last season? Last time Arsenal won the title Campbell was the key. He's now 30-31 and lets be honest Toure and Senderos may be good players but no way can they fill Campbell's boots.
Vieira's gone, so he had a poor season last by his standards but like with Campbell the gap he's left hasnt been filled by someone world class, unless you see Fabregas and Gilberto as the best players around.
Martin Jol is no where near good enough for Arsenal or Man Utd. Spurs have a lot of good young players because of Arnesen. Robinson, Davids and King hold the team together. Rather like Given, Speed and Shearer held Newcastle together 3 years ago.
If Jol ever takes a step up the best he could hope for is Ajax |
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