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 Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:06 am Post subject: ASUS Eee Box |
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Well it's close to 2 years since ASUS first launched their Eee family products, such as the popular Eee PC netbook.
The netbook belongs to the "mobile" category and they actually have one that belongs to the "desktop" category which is their Eee Box.
Anyone here actually using it or find that you may have a use for it in the future?
I see that it has actually some potential in the market. If your mum/dad/uncle/auntie/grandparents do actually use the computer for some basic web surfing the Eee Box would be more suitable as opposed to the Eee PC if it's just meant to stay on the desk.
Just get the Eee Box, buy a large LCD monitor and a cheap keyboard and mouse and it's ready for use.
Yes desktops with Intel Core 2 Quad/Extreme come very cheap nowadays at less than $2000, but when technology advances, when you got something cheap, there will always be something cheaper. 
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Most people don't realize how much they get ripped off. The only reason they need a dual or quad core is cause vista or windows 7 is using so much memory and is so inefficient with CPU usage that running another inefficient application on it will cause lag. Most people would have more than enough with a PC with something along the lines of: 2Ghz (single core, no special features), 512mb ram and a 64mb graphics card.
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I am personally more excited about the eee keyboard they had which looks very interesting.
Also the eee line only started shiping in fall of 2007 I believe so it is not actually been close to 2 years that these products have been on the market. |
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Most people don't realize how much they get ripped off. The only reason they need a dual or quad core is cause vista or windows 7 is using so much memory and is so inefficient with CPU usage that running another inefficient application on it will cause lag. Most people would have more than enough with a PC with something along the lines of: 2Ghz (single core, no special features), 512mb ram and a 64mb graphics card. |
What I can tell you is that, although Vista do use a lot of resources Windows XP can be considered less resource-hungry, and having XP on a dual-core and 3GB RAM is a breeze.
It's not whether the OS needs it or not, it's the norm. Technology just has to move on. If it doesn't we would all be stuck with a few hundred MHz processors.
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Technology needs to move on but support for older technology needs to exist. Everyone cannot afford to upgrade computers every couple years. When I purchased my thinkpad with a core series processor it cost me over $3000. That puts a cramp in anyone spending and the only thing holding down the system is a graphics card so there is really no reason to upgrade 3 years later except to move to 64 bit processing.
A lot of people don't need more then a pentium 3 with over 256mb of ram to have all their computing needs satisfied so why should they spend over $300 on a new system that they have no use for any of the features.
Personally I can be completely productive on my pentium m system. Yeah if I can overload the cpu fairly easy by opening a lot of tabs and programs at the same time but to be able to do those things are just pluses and not actually necessary.
Some people do need the latest hardware but most of us don't. So having people to upgrade computers just to use a new version of windows does not make sense. They don't need any of the new features, they just need security updates.
I personally have a 486 box that I could use for all my word processing needs and if I added networking capabilities, it would be able to do some light browsing and email.
Just because technology needs to advance, does not mean everyone needs to upgrade. Only certain people need the best hardware and their is no point in upgrading to it when your current hardware runs fine and does everything you need it to do. |
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| Jacky wrote: | What I can tell you is that, although Vista do use a lot of resources Windows XP can be considered less resource-hungry, and having XP on a dual-core and 3GB RAM is a breeze.
It's not whether the OS needs it or not, it's the norm. Technology just has to move on. If it doesn't we would all be stuck with a few hundred MHz processors. |
That's arguably one of the most stupid arguments you could possible come up with. So what if technology advances? To give an analogy: It's not cause it used to take 30kg of steel to produce something that it should take 40kg of steel several years later. There has been no real advance in terms of the internet or mailing that requires any form of new OS or a computer better than the one I listed earlier. And we wouldn't be stuck with the 1990s era processors. A lot of applications need faster processors. But do you really think most home users ever need that? All they do is browse the web a bit and email.
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Jacky wrote: | What I can tell you is that, although Vista do use a lot of resources Windows XP can be considered less resource-hungry, and having XP on a dual-core and 3GB RAM is a breeze.
It's not whether the OS needs it or not, it's the norm. Technology just has to move on. If it doesn't we would all be stuck with a few hundred MHz processors. |
That's arguably one of the most stupid arguments you could possible come up with. So what if technology advances? To give an analogy: It's not cause it used to take 30kg of steel to produce something that it should take 40kg of steel several years later. There has been no real advance in terms of the internet or mailing that requires any form of new OS or a computer better than the one I listed earlier. And we wouldn't be stuck with the 1990s era processors. A lot of applications need faster processors. But do you really think most home users ever need that? All they do is browse the web a bit and email. |
You got people buying phones that comes with GPS capability but yet only do normal phoning and SMSing.
People don't really care whether they need it or not, even if they don't need it, they just have it there so that they can foolproof their computers.
As long as it's cheap the average consumer doesn't really care if it's overpowered.
The mindset is quite simple: If a manufacturer doesn't keep up with the trend they will simply be kicked out of people's choices.
Mind you, most average consumers aren't tech-savvy to go think that it's overkill for them.
And more and more people are buying laptops which they do everything in. I am currently active in one locally-based IT forum and there are more and more people asking for laptop recommendations. Their requirements is quite standard; play games, do work and watch movies.
You mentioned that 64MB is enough. That may not be totally true. People like me are always open to new games, and especially FPS games which may use up a lot of video memory.
You may say that optimising and configuring will probably make 3/4 of the games run, but that's not what most people want. Sure, the tech-savvies people can go do all those configuring and optimising but the average home consumers just don't care, they want it running right out of the box, not download tons of programs, try out each, then try to make it run.
I mentioned that people nowadays do all their things with their laptop. Some students such as those in the engineering field may use CAD applications a lot, and those really use up a lot of processing power.
You mentioned about Vista using up a lot of memory. No choice, Microsoft managed to bundle Windows in all mainstream brands out there. You are gonna say "uninstall it and install Linux" but there we go again, do people care?
Perhaps you and I may care since we know about it, but even if you waste your saliva and effort educating them on Linux and how Windows suck up your resources they would probably return with a "I'll think about it". Simple enough, whether you like it or not, Microsoft, whether by hook or crook, managed to get Windows known to majority of the population, and that's enough to make people use it.
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Wow, nice word twisting... I'm talking about the average home user that browses a few websites and sends some emails (like the majority).
| Jacky wrote: | | You got people buying phones that comes with GPS capability but yet only do normal phoning and SMSing. |
Well, that's clearly advertised that it has a GPS feature. If they don't use it it's their problem.
| Quote: | People don't really care whether they need it or not, even if they don't need it, they just have it there so that they can foolproof their computers.
As long as it's cheap the average consumer doesn't really care if it's overpowered. |
I wouldn't call this entire thing cheap. Paying $2000 for a computer while you only need a $400 one isn't exactly cheap at all.
T | Quote: | he mindset is quite simple: If a manufacturer doesn't keep up with the trend they will simply be kicked out of people's choices.
Mind you, most average consumers aren't tech-savvy to go think that it's overkill for them. |
Then it's the role of the companies to educate them.
| Quote: | | And more and more people are buying laptops which they do everything in. I am currently active in one locally-based IT forum and there are more and more people asking for laptop recommendations. Their requirements is quite standard; play games, do work and watch movies. |
Playing games on a laptop is asking for trouble unless you buy one designed for playing games. And seriously, you don't need a dual core and 2gb of ram to work with an application like MS Word.
| Quote: | | You mentioned that 64MB is enough. That may not be totally true. People like me are always open to new games, and especially FPS games which may use up a lot of video memory. |
You're talking about a small group, I'm talking about the category "older than 35".
| Quote: | | You may say that optimising and configuring will probably make 3/4 of the games run, but that's not what most people want. Sure, the tech-savvies people can go do all those configuring and optimising but the average home consumers just don't care, they want it running right out of the box, not download tons of programs, try out each, then try to make it run. |
Where do you possibly get the idea this is possible? Getting a game that requires 128mb of graphics memory to run on a 64mb graphics card is impossible without altering the textures and the model detail or the way the game engine interacts with the graphics card.
| Quote: | | I mentioned that people nowadays do all their things with their laptop. Some students such as those in the engineering field may use CAD applications a lot, and those really use up a lot of processing power. |
You don't have to tell that to me. But I actually thought about what I bought and didn't just buy the thing with the biggest price tag on it and hoped it would work like a lot of people are doing now. And again, that's an exception to the average user.
| Quote: | | You mentioned about Vista using up a lot of memory. No choice, Microsoft managed to bundle Windows in all mainstream brands out there. You are gonna say "uninstall it and install Linux" but there we go again, do people care? |
Actually you'd be amazed how many people I've convinced to start using linux. And a lot of them are sticking to it cause it's easier in many aspects.
| Quote: | | Perhaps you and I may care since we know about it, but even if you waste your saliva and effort educating them on Linux and how Windows suck up your resources they would probably return with a "I'll think about it". Simple enough, whether you like it or not, Microsoft, whether by hook or crook, managed to get Windows known to majority of the population, and that's enough to make people use it. |
Actually, they're forcing a monopoly and are using cheap marketing tricks. Also nice going off topic again 
What the average users (the majority of the people on the internet) do is this:
- Use a web browser
- Read and send emails constantly
- Watch a film once in a while and play small flash games
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | Wow, nice word twisting... I'm talking about the average home user that browses a few websites and sends some emails (like the majority).
| Jacky wrote: | | You got people buying phones that comes with GPS capability but yet only do normal phoning and SMSing. |
Well, that's clearly advertised that it has a GPS feature. If they don't use it it's their problem. |
Well it's clearly stated in the specifications that those computers come with dual/quad cores. If they don't make use of every of it it's their problem.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | People don't really care whether they need it or not, even if they don't need it, they just have it there so that they can foolproof their computers.
As long as it's cheap the average consumer doesn't really care if it's overpowered. |
I wouldn't call this entire thing cheap. Paying $2000 for a computer while you only need a $400 one isn't exactly cheap at all.
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In the past computers here cost more than $2000.
Now you can get one for less than $1000.
And that is equipped with a Core 2 Duo.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | he mindset is quite simple: If a manufacturer doesn't keep up with the trend they will simply be kicked out of people's choices.
Mind you, most average consumers aren't tech-savvy to go think that it's overkill for them. |
Then it's the role of the companies to educate them. |
No one would bother with it. Since they are the average home user they won't pay much attention to all these.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | And more and more people are buying laptops which they do everything in. I am currently active in one locally-based IT forum and there are more and more people asking for laptop recommendations. Their requirements is quite standard; play games, do work and watch movies. |
Playing games on a laptop is asking for trouble unless you buy one designed for playing games. And seriously, you don't need a dual core and 2gb of ram to work with an application like MS Word. |
The traditional mindset that games should not be played on a laptop should be thrown away. Many laptops nowadays can handle games well without heating up much.
The dual cores and the RAM is there for the games and intensive applications.
You got a powerful laptop, but that doesn't mean you got to use it for those programs that make use of every portion of your resources.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | You mentioned that 64MB is enough. That may not be totally true. People like me are always open to new games, and especially FPS games which may use up a lot of video memory. |
You're talking about a small group, I'm talking about the category "older than 35". |
It's not a small group.
Besides you didn't mention it.
Now kids as small as 7 own a mobile phone.
Kids as small as 9 are already playing computer games.
9 to 34 definitely isn't a small group.
I got a 14-year-old asking for laptop recommendations some more. Yes he's using his own money to purchase a laptop.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | I mentioned that people nowadays do all their things with their laptop. Some students such as those in the engineering field may use CAD applications a lot, and those really use up a lot of processing power. |
You don't have to tell that to me. But I actually thought about what I bought and didn't just buy the thing with the biggest price tag on it and hoped it would work like a lot of people are doing now. And again, that's an exception to the average user. |
I also wouldn't buy something with the biggest price tag just to hope it would work out.
I mentioned that people go with the most popular options nowadays, which is Core 2 fitted with around 2GB of RAM
Perhaps let's not assume things.
I see people singling out laptops that they prefer and they are all equipped with Core 2 Duo. There's Pentium Dual-Core and even Celeron Dual-Core, but no one wants them.
Some of them don't even play games but just to make sure their computers don't get outdated and to "future-proof" their laptops they would just select Core 2 Duo.
Yes they are your "average home user". Web surfing and some movies now and then.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | You mentioned about Vista using up a lot of memory. No choice, Microsoft managed to bundle Windows in all mainstream brands out there. You are gonna say "uninstall it and install Linux" but there we go again, do people care? |
Actually you'd be amazed how many people I've convinced to start using linux. And a lot of them are sticking to it cause it's easier in many aspects. |
People in different parts of the world react differently to the same matter.
I can be 100%, if not, 99% guaranteed that I can never convince one of my friends here to switch his/her Windows XP to Linux. He/she may even reply back and ask "What's Linux?".
I can be all about the benefits of Linux, how it's open-source and how it uses up less resources than the bloody Vista and half an hour later they will still say "I can't be bothered".
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | Perhaps you and I may care since we know about it, but even if you waste your saliva and effort educating them on Linux and how Windows suck up your resources they would probably return with a "I'll think about it". Simple enough, whether you like it or not, Microsoft, whether by hook or crook, managed to get Windows known to majority of the population, and that's enough to make people use it. |
Actually, they're forcing a monopoly and are using cheap marketing tricks. Also nice going off topic again
What the average users (the majority of the people on the internet) do is this:
- Use a web browser
- Read and send emails constantly
- Watch a film once in a while and play small flash games
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Yes they somehow are forcing a monopoly but if they forced some crap OS to the public people would probably start asking those computer salesmen for alternatives, but you see them using Windows and perhaps even if you tell them about Linux they would just tell you "ah never mind Windows is quite okay for me".
And it boils down to convenience too. The average home user just don't want to do all those backing up and try out Linux and then installing Windows back again if he didn't like it.
But if it's trying out a program then it's a different story. Most of my friends cared to try out Firefox and some of them knew about it even before I mentioned it to them, which is quite surprising.
Actually I was talking about the Eee Box and you went offtopic about how dual-core is unnecessary if Vista didn't use up a lot of resources, so you can't blame me. 
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| Jacky wrote: | | Well it's clearly stated in the specifications that those computers come with dual/quad cores. If they don't make use of every of it it's their problem. |
People don't realize that they don't need it.
| Quote: | In the past computers here cost more than $2000.
Now you can get one for less than $1000.
And that is equipped with a Core 2 Duo. |
Sure and what do you get then? You'll get cheap parts that break down quickly cause they put all the money in the CPU.
| Quote: | | No one would bother with it. Since they are the average home user they won't pay much attention to all these. |
Actually if the companies put up a note on their boxes what the applications of the part are.
| Quote: | | The traditional mindset that games should not be played on a laptop should be thrown away. Many laptops nowadays can handle games well without heating up much. |
Sure they can handle them, but still it's a bad idea to expect excelent performance when playing a game while you're drawing power off the battery. Still people expect that.
| Quote: | The dual cores and the RAM is there for the games and intensive applications.
You got a powerful laptop, but that doesn't mean you got to use it for those programs that make use of every portion of your resources. |
If you never use them there is no point in buying the laptop though.
| Quote: | It's not a small group.
Besides you didn't mention it.
Now kids as small as 7 own a mobile phone.
Kids as small as 9 are already playing computer games.
9 to 34 definitely isn't a small group.
I got a 14-year-old asking for laptop recommendations some more. Yes he's using his own money to purchase a laptop. |
The main part of that group is actually worse, they waste their computer most of the time by constantly going on sites like myspace and facebook. And actually 14 year old and already buying a laptop; that troubles me to a certain extend. 7 year olds having a mobile phone is also a bad way to go. Only leads to phone addiction. And actually only 9 years old? I was 6 when I was playing things like Doom 
| Quote: | I also wouldn't buy something with the biggest price tag just to hope it would work out.
I mentioned that people go with the most popular options nowadays, which is Core 2 fitted with around 2GB of RAM
Perhaps let's not assume things.
I see people singling out laptops that they prefer and they are all equipped with Core 2 Duo. There's Pentium Dual-Core and even Celeron Dual-Core, but no one wants them.
Some of them don't even play games but just to make sure their computers don't get outdated and to "future-proof" their laptops they would just select Core 2 Duo. |
Again, that's pure marketing "C2D is better for everything". <_<
| Quote: | | Yes they are your "average home user". Web surfing and some movies now and then. |
Then they don't need that type of hardware.
| Quote: | People in different parts of the world react differently to the same matter.
I can be 100%, if not, 99% guaranteed that I can never convince one of my friends here to switch his/her Windows XP to Linux. He/she may even reply back and ask "What's Linux?".
I can be all about the benefits of Linux, how it's open-source and how it uses up less resources than the bloody Vista and half an hour later they will still say "I can't be bothered". |
I advice you to go for a different approach than talking. I found a nicer way to convince them. Let them use my laptop with linux installed on it. Not a single person had a real issue with it.
| Quote: | Yes they somehow are forcing a monopoly but if they forced some crap OS to the public people would probably start asking those computer salesmen for alternatives, but you see them using Windows and perhaps even if you tell them about Linux they would just tell you "ah never mind Windows is quite okay for me".
And it boils down to convenience too. The average home user just don't want to do all those backing up and try out Linux and then installing Windows back again if he didn't like it. |
Actually microsoft's monopoly is the problem. Nobody is willing to mass produce pc's with linux on it cause they'd lose the ability to get microsoft OEM licenses. Now THAT is a dirty cheap tactic.
| Quote: | But if it's trying out a program then it's a different story. Most of my friends cared to try out Firefox and some of them knew about it even before I mentioned it to them, which is quite surprising.
Actually I was talking about the Eee Box and you went offtopic about how dual-core is unnecessary if Vista didn't use up a lot of resources, so you can't blame me. |
The Eee PCs are overpriced as well actually to get back to the subject.
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The Eee PCs are overpriced as well actually to get back to the subject. |
To stay on topic and save some time I'm just going to comment on this. The EEE PCs are well overpriced but when they initially came out they were relatively cheaper then most computers on the market but the specs are much lower and the value is no where near that of its competitors. But really if all you need at the time is something of that power then why spend the extra money.
I personally bought one for the size. The only other option on the market with that type of portability was lenovo and sony for new systems and I wanted a new product. Sony's products were well overpriced too but contained much better specs so the price skyrockets. Lenovo's thinkpad X series was also to expensive of an option but had more value for specs then the sony and eee pcs but they all existed in different price ranges. Some people looked at the products on the market and actually look at their needs for the system and find the needs met by the system and spend for a system in their price range.
After first competition from a few manufacturers, the eee was still a reasonable option. None really have wowed the public like the EEE did. Acer quality was not as great. HP and Everex had much lower quality graphics. Now netbooks are made by everyone, the products are getting pretty hard to pick as the top option. But Asus is really the only company coming out with products that feature something different from the other companys and marketing it globally. |
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Jacky wrote: | | Well it's clearly stated in the specifications that those computers come with dual/quad cores. If they don't make use of every of it it's their problem. |
People don't realize that they don't need it. |
Same for GPS phones. People don't realise they don't need it.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | In the past computers here cost more than $2000.
Now you can get one for less than $1000.
And that is equipped with a Core 2 Duo. |
Sure and what do you get then? You'll get cheap parts that break down quickly cause they put all the money in the CPU. |
Until that has happen I can't say that it's true. Besides it comes with standard one year warranty.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | No one would bother with it. Since they are the average home user they won't pay much attention to all these. |
Actually if the companies put up a note on their boxes what the applications of the part are. |
The average user don't even pay attention to the manuals included, let alone a note.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | The traditional mindset that games should not be played on a laptop should be thrown away. Many laptops nowadays can handle games well without heating up much. |
Sure they can handle them, but still it's a bad idea to expect excelent performance when playing a game while you're drawing power off the battery. Still people expect that. |
Playing a game on a laptop powered by the battery is just downright silly as it's going to kill the battery. Have seen a lot of cases.
The correct way is to unplug the battery and draw power from the main.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | The dual cores and the RAM is there for the games and intensive applications.
You got a powerful laptop, but that doesn't mean you got to use it for those programs that make use of every portion of your resources. |
If you never use them there is no point in buying the laptop though. |
TV tuners are getting increasingly popular. This is integrated with quite a number of laptops now, and they do require a lot of processing power and memory.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | It's not a small group.
Besides you didn't mention it.
Now kids as small as 7 own a mobile phone.
Kids as small as 9 are already playing computer games.
9 to 34 definitely isn't a small group.
I got a 14-year-old asking for laptop recommendations some more. Yes he's using his own money to purchase a laptop. |
The main part of that group is actually worse, they waste their computer most of the time by constantly going on sites like myspace and facebook. And actually 14 year old and already buying a laptop; that troubles me to a certain extend. 7 year olds having a mobile phone is also a bad way to go. Only leads to phone addiction. And actually only 9 years old? I was 6 when I was playing things like Doom |
Well provided if your parents are educated and they have a computer at home which they allow you to play games on at a very young age.
Otherwise most parents only buy one for their kids around the age of 10.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | I also wouldn't buy something with the biggest price tag just to hope it would work out.
I mentioned that people go with the most popular options nowadays, which is Core 2 fitted with around 2GB of RAM
Perhaps let's not assume things.
I see people singling out laptops that they prefer and they are all equipped with Core 2 Duo. There's Pentium Dual-Core and even Celeron Dual-Core, but no one wants them.
Some of them don't even play games but just to make sure their computers don't get outdated and to "future-proof" their laptops they would just select Core 2 Duo. |
Again, that's pure marketing "C2D is better for everything". <_< |
I have never seen that slogan before.
It makes sense for the average user to go with the popular option.
User: What processor is in this?
Salesmen: Core 2 Duo
User: Is it good?
Salesmen: It's in most laptops nowadays.
User: Alright since it's in most laptops I go for it. At least I'm not the only guy affected if something goes wrong.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | Yes they are your "average home user". Web surfing and some movies now and then. |
Then they don't need that type of hardware. |
I was telling you my experience.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | People in different parts of the world react differently to the same matter.
I can be 100%, if not, 99% guaranteed that I can never convince one of my friends here to switch his/her Windows XP to Linux. He/she may even reply back and ask "What's Linux?".
I can be all about the benefits of Linux, how it's open-source and how it uses up less resources than the bloody Vista and half an hour later they will still say "I can't be bothered". |
I advice you to go for a different approach than talking. I found a nicer way to convince them. Let them use my laptop with linux installed on it. Not a single person had a real issue with it. |
There are netbooks here on display with Linux, and still, netbooks that come with Linux are plenty in stock, those that come with Windows XP are always out of stock.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | Yes they somehow are forcing a monopoly but if they forced some crap OS to the public people would probably start asking those computer salesmen for alternatives, but you see them using Windows and perhaps even if you tell them about Linux they would just tell you "ah never mind Windows is quite okay for me".
And it boils down to convenience too. The average home user just don't want to do all those backing up and try out Linux and then installing Windows back again if he didn't like it. |
Actually microsoft's monopoly is the problem. Nobody is willing to mass produce pc's with linux on it cause they'd lose the ability to get microsoft OEM licenses. Now THAT is a dirty cheap tactic. |
Well you can't blame them. It's a dog-eat-dog society. If you got the brains to come up with tactics you win. That's business and competition for you.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | But if it's trying out a program then it's a different story. Most of my friends cared to try out Firefox and some of them knew about it even before I mentioned it to them, which is quite surprising.
Actually I was talking about the Eee Box and you went offtopic about how dual-core is unnecessary if Vista didn't use up a lot of resources, so you can't blame me. |
The Eee PCs are overpriced as well actually to get back to the subject. |
How is it overpriced?
| mcwkm wrote: | | LP-SolidRaven wrote: |
The Eee PCs are overpriced as well actually to get back to the subject. |
To stay on topic and save some time I'm just going to comment on this. The EEE PCs are well overpriced but when they initially came out they were relatively cheaper then most computers on the market but the specs are much lower and the value is no where near that of its competitors. But really if all you need at the time is something of that power then why spend the extra money.
I personally bought one for the size. The only other option on the market with that type of portability was lenovo and sony for new systems and I wanted a new product. Sony's products were well overpriced too but contained much better specs so the price skyrockets. Lenovo's thinkpad X series was also to expensive of an option but had more value for specs then the sony and eee pcs but they all existed in different price ranges. Some people looked at the products on the market and actually look at their needs for the system and find the needs met by the system and spend for a system in their price range.
After first competition from a few manufacturers, the eee was still a reasonable option. None really have wowed the public like the EEE did. Acer quality was not as great. HP and Everex had much lower quality graphics. Now netbooks are made by everyone, the products are getting pretty hard to pick as the top option. But Asus is really the only company coming out with products that feature something different from the other companys and marketing it globally. |
You can't call it low-end. Some people can even get CS 1.6 running on a netbook (which comes equipped with Intel Atom).
Contrary to much better specs Sony Vaio laptops are actually come with high price and lower specs. What I have seen is that Sony Vaio last come to mind when someone wants to buy a laptop for their work.
The people whom I have seen that wants Sony Vaio is usually buying it for their girlfriends since Vaio has a variety of colours to choose from.
The Thinkpad is a respected family of laptops. I don't consider it expensive since they are mostly for business users and they usually come with semi-rugged materials to protect from shock.
Do note that in the year of 2008 HP caught up a lot with their newly launched series of laptops. They switched from the conventional dvX000 (where X is a number) syntax to just dvX. In mid-2008 they launched the dv4, dv5 and dv7 which was a huge success. 4 months already and the dv5 is still the first in NotebookReview.com's Top 10 laptops.
It's also highly popular here locally so I don't doubt the success.
They also came up with the new CQ line for their Compaq Presario family.
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At least remove the previous parts from the quotes so it doesn't start with a huge quote block each time...
| Jacky wrote: | | Same for GPS phones. People don't realise they don't need it. |
They usually buy it to say "Hey I have a phone that has GPS". Now you won't go to say to somebody "Hey I have a computer with a C2D".
| Quote: | | Until that has happen I can't say that it's true. Besides it comes with standard one year warranty. |
Yes, and if you're willing to know how easy it is to calculate how long a component will last. If you buy components you get the data sheets. They listen life expectancy under certain conditions and in case of memory times you can read/write it before it fails.
| Quote: | | The average user don't even pay attention to the manuals included, let alone a note. |
That's another thing, they should force people to read manuals one way or another. A nice way would be locking the computer with a code that is mentioned somewhere in the manual.
| Quote: | Playing a game on a laptop powered by the battery is just downright silly as it's going to kill the battery. Have seen a lot of cases.
The correct way is to unplug the battery and draw power from the main. |
Yet people still expect it to work. And sure alienware laptops can do it without problem. But then again those are designed for that. You don't go and buy a laptop and expect to be able to play games on it. And those desktop computers in a laptop casing don't fall under the laptop category.
| Quote: | | TV tuners are getting increasingly popular. This is integrated with quite a number of laptops now, and they do require a lot of processing power and memory. |
Actually TV tuners decode the signal on the card. All the CPU does is tell it where it has to go.
| Quote: | Well provided if your parents are educated and they have a computer at home which they allow you to play games on at a very young age.
Otherwise most parents only buy one for their kids around the age of 10. |
It's one thing to buy a computer, it's another to buy a laptop.
| Quote: | I have never seen that slogan before.
It makes sense for the average user to go with the popular option.
User: What processor is in this?
Salesmen: Core 2 Duo
User: Is it good?
Salesmen: It's in most laptops nowadays.
User: Alright since it's in most laptops I go for it. At least I'm not the only guy affected if something goes wrong. |
Never heard of less obvious advertising? If you put a C2D and Intel Inside label on every laptop people will notice...
| Quote: | I was telling you my experience.
There are netbooks here on display with Linux, and still, netbooks that come with Linux are plenty in stock, those that come with Windows XP are always out of stock. |
And that is cause the person selling them simply doesn't explain it.
| Quote: | | Well you can't blame them. It's a dog-eat-dog society. If you got the brains to come up with tactics you win. That's business and competition for you. |
No, actually that's an illegal monopoly. Never heard of laws?
| Quote: | | How is it overpriced? |
For a bit more you can get a real laptop with a lot more features...
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Jacky wrote: | | Same for GPS phones. People don't realise they don't need it. |
They usually buy it to say "Hey I have a phone that has GPS". Now you won't go to say to somebody "Hey I have a computer with a C2D". |
People don't boast about their processor, they boast about the amount of RAM they have.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | Until that has happen I can't say that it's true. Besides it comes with standard one year warranty. |
Yes, and if you're willing to know how easy it is to calculate how long a component will last. If you buy components you get the data sheets. They listen life expectancy under certain conditions and in case of memory times you can read/write it before it fails. |
That's where the warranty comes in. If something fails during that one year most people just bring it to the service centre and have it repaired for free.
Some manufacturers like HP even provides free delivery to your doorstep.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | The average user don't even pay attention to the manuals included, let alone a note. |
That's another thing, they should force people to read manuals one way or another. A nice way would be locking the computer with a code that is mentioned somewhere in the manual. |
You find the manufacturer in question hitting headlines the next day and people criticising that they should not force them when they paid a lot of money to buy a computer.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | Playing a game on a laptop powered by the battery is just downright silly as it's going to kill the battery. Have seen a lot of cases.
The correct way is to unplug the battery and draw power from the main. |
Yet people still expect it to work. And sure alienware laptops can do it without problem. But then again those are designed for that. You don't go and buy a laptop and expect to be able to play games on it. And those desktop computers in a laptop casing don't fall under the laptop category. |
Playing games with the laptop being powered by its battery will just kill the battery, no matter whether it's Alienware or not. Heat is the thing that decreases the lifespan, and while gaming temperatures are expected to rise.
If the laptop is powered by AC power you can game on a HP home consumer laptop fine.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | TV tuners are getting increasingly popular. This is integrated with quite a number of laptops now, and they do require a lot of processing power and memory. |
Actually TV tuners decode the signal on the card. All the CPU does is tell it where it has to go. |
Most TV tuners require that your computer is equipped with at least a 2.4GHz Pentium 4.
I'm not implying that you need a 2.4GHz Core 2 to use it, since you can't look at the clock speed alone. I'm implying that it still does require a somewhat high amount of processing power.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | Well provided if your parents are educated and they have a computer at home which they allow you to play games on at a very young age.
Otherwise most parents only buy one for their kids around the age of 10. |
It's one thing to buy a computer, it's another to buy a laptop. |
It's extremely common for people to buy a laptop as their computer nowadays that you can even use both terms interchangeably.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | I have never seen that slogan before.
It makes sense for the average user to go with the popular option.
User: What processor is in this?
Salesmen: Core 2 Duo
User: Is it good?
Salesmen: It's in most laptops nowadays.
User: Alright since it's in most laptops I go for it. At least I'm not the only guy affected if something goes wrong. |
Never heard of less obvious advertising? If you put a C2D and Intel Inside label on every laptop people will notice... |
The "Core 2 Duo inside" don't tell me that "C2D is better for everything".
You even got "Pentium Dual-Core inside" labels.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | I was telling you my experience.
There are netbooks here on display with Linux, and still, netbooks that come with Linux are plenty in stock, those that come with Windows XP are always out of stock. |
And that is cause the person selling them simply doesn't explain it. |
You mentioned "Let them use my laptop with linux installed on it." when I said that telling someone and explaining won't work.
And I mentioned that even if you spend half an hour talking to someone and persuading him to switch to Linux he would just say "nah just can't be bothered XP is fine".
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | Well you can't blame them. It's a dog-eat-dog society. If you got the brains to come up with tactics you win. That's business and competition for you. |
No, actually that's an illegal monopoly. Never heard of laws? |
Even if it's illegal it still takes some brains to come up with such tactics.
People who pirate and imitate goods in the market also got to use their brains. Yeah it's still illegal but that draws people to their product.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | How is it overpriced? |
For a bit more you can get a real laptop with a lot more features... |
When they were first out most computers (whether desktop or laptop) were still in the $1500+ range (when netbooks and nettops were first out they cost around $600+ here).
I don't know of the current price, but nettops don't see the same popularity as netbooks and perhaps the price has been quite stagnant. When a product is popular you do a lot of marketing on it, slash the prices so that people get drawn to yours.
But when a product isn't you can at most reduce some hundred dollars to draw people. If you reduce too much you suffer a loss, if you reduce less no one buys it and since it isn't popular its fate is just unknown.
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| Jacky wrote: | Most TV tuners require that your computer is equipped with at least a 2.4GHz Pentium 4.
I'm not implying that you need a 2.4GHz Core 2 to use it, since you can't look at the clock speed alone. I'm implying that it still does require a somewhat high amount of processing power.
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I have never had a single problem running a tv tuner on an athlon xp 1500 with 1 gig of ram. Also a 2.4 Pentium 4 does not even need Hyper Threading technology meaning no virtual 2nd core and no real second core, a Core 2 clocked at this speed would be twice the processing power.
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You can't call it low-end. Some people can even get CS 1.6 running on a netbook (which comes equipped with Intel Atom).
Contrary to much better specs Sony Vaio laptops are actually come with high price and lower specs. What I have seen is that Sony Vaio last come to mind when someone wants to buy a laptop for their work.
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Really a 900mhz celeron laptop was not low end and a 1.6GHz atom can compare to core 2 duo at any speed or even a pentium or celeron that was on the market. Which are in laptops that are at same price points now. A lot of things can be done on these computers but they can also be done on relatively older systems to and for most people this is all they do.
The rest of your response goes into all models of laptops and needs for people who bought a netbook were they wanted something small and light and did not have a need to buy the better parts. The whole Sony Vaio line is well overpriced and I do not look at Sony as a real computing option anyways but they do make some nice products and they were 1 of 2 other manufacturers making portable laptops. Lenovo laptops are very nice and when comparing them to another brand laptop that would meet the same needs they can be overpriced but they have great support along with great parts so paying a premium can be worthwhile.
Any serious gamer has a desktop with a nice graphics card in it so a laptop shouldn't be a gaming system. Cad and Photoshop users normally have a high end system supplyed by their work and they are a minority here. Home Photoshop users are generally running pirated copies so who cares about them, they should just steal a laptop to go along with it. The rest of people on the market really don't need that processing power. They don't use resource demanding applications and have no need for high end parts. |
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