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| Jacky wrote: | | People don't boast about their processor, they boast about the amount of RAM they have. |
No, they boast about the size of their hard drive cause it's the biggest number they can think off.
| Quote: | That's where the warranty comes in. If something fails during that one year most people just bring it to the service centre and have it repaired for free.
Some manufacturers like HP even provides free delivery to your doorstep. |
I'm not sure if you got the point of my comment. The chance of failure in the first year is well calculated and they'll make sure it's really low during the warranty period.
| Quote: | | You find the manufacturer in question hitting headlines the next day and people criticising that they should not force them when they paid a lot of money to buy a computer. |
If you don't read the manual you shouldn't even use the damned thing.
| Quote: | Playing games with the laptop being powered by its battery will just kill the battery, no matter whether it's Alienware or not. Heat is the thing that decreases the lifespan, and while gaming temperatures are expected to rise.
If the laptop is powered by AC power you can game on a HP home consumer laptop fine. |
Alienware laptops can perfectly game while running from battery. That's the point of having such a laptop. Anyway a laptop just isn't made for gaming or graphics intensive applications unless you get one built for that.
| Quote: | Most TV tuners require that your computer is equipped with at least a 2.4GHz Pentium 4.
I'm not implying that you need a 2.4GHz Core 2 to use it, since you can't look at the clock speed alone. I'm implying that it still does require a somewhat high amount of processing power. |
That is only the case with cheap crap.
| Quote: | | It's extremely common for people to buy a laptop as their computer nowadays that you can even use both terms interchangeably. |
You shouldn't expect it to work the same. Yet people do.
| Quote: | The "Core 2 Duo inside" don't tell me that "C2D is better for everything".
You even got "Pentium Dual-Core inside" labels. |
Uhm, you're now twisting my words again. Cause you just said people go like this "I want that cause other people want it".
| Quote: | You mentioned "Let them use my laptop with linux installed on it." when I said that telling someone and explaining won't work.
And I mentioned that even if you spend half an hour talking to someone and persuading him to switch to Linux he would just say "nah just can't be bothered XP is fine". |
He won't if he sees the pricing difference and learns that he'll be able to do the exact same thing as he does on his windows xp computer since he'll most likely only browse the web a bit and email.
| Quote: | Even if it's illegal it still takes some brains to come up with such tactics.
People who pirate and imitate goods in the market also got to use their brains. Yeah it's still illegal but that draws people to their product. |
No, it does not take a lot of brains to come up with such a thing. It's been done for decades already with other things. And if you want to see cheap marketing tricks simply read the law and do what's forbidden.
| Quote: | When they were first out most computers (whether desktop or laptop) were still in the $1500+ range (when netbooks and nettops were first out they cost around $600+ here).
I don't know of the current price, but nettops don't see the same popularity as netbooks and perhaps the price has been quite stagnant. When a product is popular you do a lot of marketing on it, slash the prices so that people get drawn to yours.
But when a product isn't you can at most reduce some hundred dollars to draw people. If you reduce too much you suffer a loss, if you reduce less no one buys it and since it isn't popular its fate is just unknown. |
I'm not sure if you have noticed it, but the lowest price for a lenovo thinkpad is the same as the price for a Eee laptop here... And the thinkpad wins in everything except how stylish it is.
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | I'm not sure if you have noticed it, but the lowest price for a lenovo thinkpad is the same as the price for a Eee laptop here... And the thinkpad wins in everything except how stylish it is. |
Since when is every thinkpad as portable as a EEE laptop. A new X series thinkpad costs over $1000US but it wins in everything including how stylish it is. I happen to love the thinkpad look |
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Define portable. My thinkpad is in my backpack all the time and really it doesn't add that much weight at all. Sure it might have double the weight of the Eee. But keep in mind I have several times the processing power, a lot more hard drive space (useful if you actually want to run something on it), etc... and it's actually used in my case (CAD software, etc...). And the best part is that cause it's a thinkpad you can drop it by accident and it'll still work. Additionally there are drivers for virtually any OS (You got to love Lenovo's hardware choice  ).
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Define portable. My thinkpad is in my backpack all the time and really it doesn't add that much weight at all. Sure it might have double the weight of the Eee. But keep in mind I have several times the processing power, a lot more hard drive space (useful if you actually want to run something on it), etc... and it's actually used in my case (CAD software, etc...). And the best part is that cause it's a thinkpad you can drop it by accident and it'll still work. Additionally there are drivers for virtually any OS (You got to love Lenovo's hardware choice ). |
When your walking over 2 miles I don't see a 14 or 15 inch laptop as portable. All the things you are mentioning are exactly why I love my thinkpad but when I am constantly moving, it is more of a hassle to carry something that large around and the extra 2 to 5 pounds doesn't help.
See people have different needs. I bought my EEE to be portable. I can bring it urban exploring and it won't be any more of a hassle then my camera. It also makes sense if your moving around every hour for classes. When I am actually sitting still for awhile I would much rather have something less portable and more of a powerhouse.
It all depends on what the device is being used for because different devices suit different needs. |
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Jacky wrote: | | People don't boast about their processor, they boast about the amount of RAM they have. |
No, they boast about the size of their hard drive cause it's the biggest number they can think off. |
That's another thing they boast.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | That's where the warranty comes in. If something fails during that one year most people just bring it to the service centre and have it repaired for free.
Some manufacturers like HP even provides free delivery to your doorstep. |
I'm not sure if you got the point of my comment. The chance of failure in the first year is well calculated and they'll make sure it's really low during the warranty period. |
There are times where there are offers for free 2nd and even 3rd year warranty. I don't think they went that much to calculate how long it takes to break down.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | You find the manufacturer in question hitting headlines the next day and people criticising that they should not force them when they paid a lot of money to buy a computer. |
If you don't read the manual you shouldn't even use the damned thing. |
Say that to around half of the world's population who has bought a computer and used it.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | Playing games with the laptop being powered by its battery will just kill the battery, no matter whether it's Alienware or not. Heat is the thing that decreases the lifespan, and while gaming temperatures are expected to rise.
If the laptop is powered by AC power you can game on a HP home consumer laptop fine. |
Alienware laptops can perfectly game while running from battery. That's the point of having such a laptop. Anyway a laptop just isn't made for gaming or graphics intensive applications unless you get one built for that. |
I have seen a guy who owns a Dell Insprion 1720 and he has done a lot of upgrades to his laptop using DIY methods.
He runs a lot of CAD applications and graphic-intensive games on his laptop and even to the extent of leaving it running for 1 week simultaneously and the highest temperature he got was around 50C only.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | Most TV tuners require that your computer is equipped with at least a 2.4GHz Pentium 4.
I'm not implying that you need a 2.4GHz Core 2 to use it, since you can't look at the clock speed alone. I'm implying that it still does require a somewhat high amount of processing power. |
That is only the case with cheap crap. |
Perhaps.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | It's extremely common for people to buy a laptop as their computer nowadays that you can even use both terms interchangeably. |
You shouldn't expect it to work the same. Yet people do. |
A laptop is still a computer.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | The "Core 2 Duo inside" don't tell me that "C2D is better for everything".
You even got "Pentium Dual-Core inside" labels. |
Uhm, you're now twisting my words again. Cause you just said people go like this "I want that cause other people want it". |
I don't quite get what you mean.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | You mentioned "Let them use my laptop with linux installed on it." when I said that telling someone and explaining won't work.
And I mentioned that even if you spend half an hour talking to someone and persuading him to switch to Linux he would just say "nah just can't be bothered XP is fine". |
He won't if he sees the pricing difference and learns that he'll be able to do the exact same thing as he does on his windows xp computer since he'll most likely only browse the web a bit and email. |
With same specs but only OS differences the Linux one is cheaper.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | When they were first out most computers (whether desktop or laptop) were still in the $1500+ range (when netbooks and nettops were first out they cost around $600+ here).
I don't know of the current price, but nettops don't see the same popularity as netbooks and perhaps the price has been quite stagnant. When a product is popular you do a lot of marketing on it, slash the prices so that people get drawn to yours.
But when a product isn't you can at most reduce some hundred dollars to draw people. If you reduce too much you suffer a loss, if you reduce less no one buys it and since it isn't popular its fate is just unknown. |
I'm not sure if you have noticed it, but the lowest price for a lenovo thinkpad is the same as the price for a Eee laptop here... And the thinkpad wins in everything except how stylish it is. |
One Thinkpad here easily cost $500 more than a netbook, and that's the cheapest Thinkpad. Perhaps it depends by regions as well.
| mcwkm wrote: | | LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Define portable. My thinkpad is in my backpack all the time and really it doesn't add that much weight at all. Sure it might have double the weight of the Eee. But keep in mind I have several times the processing power, a lot more hard drive space (useful if you actually want to run something on it), etc... and it's actually used in my case (CAD software, etc...). And the best part is that cause it's a thinkpad you can drop it by accident and it'll still work. Additionally there are drivers for virtually any OS (You got to love Lenovo's hardware choice ). |
When your walking over 2 miles I don't see a 14 or 15 inch laptop as portable. All the things you are mentioning are exactly why I love my thinkpad but when I am constantly moving, it is more of a hassle to carry something that large around and the extra 2 to 5 pounds doesn't help.
See people have different needs. I bought my EEE to be portable. I can bring it urban exploring and it won't be any more of a hassle then my camera. It also makes sense if your moving around every hour for classes. When I am actually sitting still for awhile I would much rather have something less portable and more of a powerhouse.
It all depends on what the device is being used for because different devices suit different needs. |
Well I have seen people who are able to lug a 17" and even a 20" laptop to school/work everyday, but of course they are carrying backpacks.
I would use a laptop for serious work, then carry the Eee just to kill time by doing some web surfing and maybe even games like CS 1.6.
The Eee boast a high amount of battery life. I have yet to see it for myself but personally I think at least half of what they claim can be achieved.
| mcwkm wrote: | | Jacky wrote: | Most TV tuners require that your computer is equipped with at least a 2.4GHz Pentium 4.
I'm not implying that you need a 2.4GHz Core 2 to use it, since you can't look at the clock speed alone. I'm implying that it still does require a somewhat high amount of processing power.
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I have never had a single problem running a tv tuner on an athlon xp 1500 with 1 gig of ram. Also a 2.4 Pentium 4 does not even need Hyper Threading technology meaning no virtual 2nd core and no real second core, a Core 2 clocked at this speed would be twice the processing power. |
Perhaps, but my WinTV-HVR is struggling with my Pentium M 1.73GHz and 512MB of RAM.
A Core 2 clocked around that speed may not be twice the processing power. Some applications can't make full use of the 2nd core.
| mcwkm wrote: | | Jacky wrote: |
You can't call it low-end. Some people can even get CS 1.6 running on a netbook (which comes equipped with Intel Atom).
Contrary to much better specs Sony Vaio laptops are actually come with high price and lower specs. What I have seen is that Sony Vaio last come to mind when someone wants to buy a laptop for their work.
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Really a 900mhz celeron laptop was not low end and a 1.6GHz atom can compare to core 2 duo at any speed or even a pentium or celeron that was on the market. Which are in laptops that are at same price points now. A lot of things can be done on these computers but they can also be done on relatively older systems to and for most people this is all they do.
The rest of your response goes into all models of laptops and needs for people who bought a netbook were they wanted something small and light and did not have a need to buy the better parts. The whole Sony Vaio line is well overpriced and I do not look at Sony as a real computing option anyways but they do make some nice products and they were 1 of 2 other manufacturers making portable laptops. Lenovo laptops are very nice and when comparing them to another brand laptop that would meet the same needs they can be overpriced but they have great support along with great parts so paying a premium can be worthwhile.
Any serious gamer has a desktop with a nice graphics card in it so a laptop shouldn't be a gaming system. Cad and Photoshop users normally have a high end system supplyed by their work and they are a minority here. Home Photoshop users are generally running pirated copies so who cares about them, they should just steal a laptop to go along with it. The rest of people on the market really don't need that processing power. They don't use resource demanding applications and have no need for high end parts. |
You can't compare the Atom to Core 2.
According to a ASUS N10 review which comes equipped with the Intel Atom and a dedicated graphic card the Atom could hardly process HD content, while definitely there won't be much of a problem if you do it with a Core 2.
Yes Sony does offer ultraportable laptops.
I don't consider Lenovo Thinkpads to be overpriced at all. Thinkpads are after all a respected family of laptops.
As mentioned earlier in this post I know one guy who does his CAD work and even gaming on his laptop, and if you are saying that it's unsuitable then I must say that it's either you are outdated or he's an exception. He has managed to get a temperature of maximum 50C, without the use of any external laptop cooler.
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| Jacky wrote: | | That's another thing they boast. |
I'd like to kill people that use HD size as a reference of computer benchmark.
| Quote: | | There are times where there are offers for free 2nd and even 3rd year warranty. I don't think they went that much to calculate how long it takes to break down. |
You don't make a commercial electronics products without calculating that.
| Quote: | | Say that to around half of the world's population who has bought a computer and used it. |
Don't expect it to work if you don't read the manual.
| Quote: | I have seen a guy who owns a Dell Insprion 1720 and he has done a lot of upgrades to his laptop using DIY methods.
He runs a lot of CAD applications and graphic-intensive games on his laptop and even to the extent of leaving it running for 1 week simultaneously and the highest temperature he got was around 50C only. |
It's not about temperature, by constantly pushing your laptop to maximum load you do reduce its lifespan significantly.
| Quote: | | A laptop is still a computer. |
Yes or no..
| Quote: | | I don't quite get what you mean. |
You're using an argument that you used to disproof something to proof something. Total contradiction 
| Quote: | | With same specs but only OS differences the Linux one is cheaper. |
And faster...
| Quote: | | One Thinkpad here easily cost $500 more than a netbook, and that's the cheapest Thinkpad. Perhaps it depends by regions as well. |
Clearly
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| mcwkm wrote: | When your walking over 2 miles I don't see a 14 or 15 inch laptop as portable. All the things you are mentioning are exactly why I love my thinkpad but when I am constantly moving, it is more of a hassle to carry something that large around and the extra 2 to 5 pounds doesn't help.
See people have different needs. I bought my EEE to be portable. I can bring it urban exploring and it won't be any more of a hassle then my camera. It also makes sense if your moving around every hour for classes. When I am actually sitting still for awhile I would much rather have something less portable and more of a powerhouse.
It all depends on what the device is being used for because different devices suit different needs. |
I got bored one day and didn't want to take the bus so ran 10km the other daywith a 15" laptop (3kg/6lbs I think) and didn't really notice it. This wasn't a first either. I've also rode countless hours on my bike with the laptop. All you need is a proper backpack that is supported properly. I guess you can also loosen it up when at uni or wherever your destination is if it looks "gay" to have the backpack worn as recommended. I suppose I'm used to it as I camp, hike and use my bike a lot for errands or commutes with shopping, changes of clothes, booze etc. so do understand where people come from and how a more "portable" system is a better choice. Personally, I think any discomfort is balanced by performance and realistic gaming/CAD capabilities.
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I've crawled down 10 feet between a brick wall and a vent under the vent which was about 2 feet high for space and then had to squeeze in between 2 bar which were a foot apart and drop 6 more feet to the ground with an eee and camera gear. That is not something I could do with a 15 in laptop and a backpack. I'm not an average user though.
Carrying a 15 inch laptop really is nothing but it gets annoying when your constantly moving. You are right part of my problem is I am not using a great bag for carrying around a lot of weight when walking to class.
Also in my case desk space may not be at a premium and a 15 inch laptop may not fit on some of the desks being used and I wouldn't pull out a 15 inch laptop to just play solitaire for 5 minutes with no desk too. |
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | There are times where there are offers for free 2nd and even 3rd year warranty. I don't think they went that much to calculate how long it takes to break down. |
You don't make a commercial electronics products without calculating that. |
Even if they calculated there are still offers sometimes when they offer the free warranty extension. 2 years is enough to make a laptop tired.
Some laptops, especially business ones, usually come with 3 years standard international. If they manage to calculate it past 5 years by that time you would have purchased a new laptop.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | Say that to around half of the world's population who has bought a computer and used it. |
Don't expect it to work if you don't read the manual. |
I didn't read it, I have been using it for 5 years and it's still working for me.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | A laptop is still a computer. |
Yes or no.. |
Just the yes.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | I don't quite get what you mean. |
You're using an argument that you used to disproof something to proof something. Total contradiction |
You mean prove?
Well we talked about how many people go for Core 2 Duo, and I said that the "Core 2 Duo inside" label doesn't tell me "Core 2 Duo is better for everything".
Yes the label doesn't tell them, the salespeople tell them.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | With same specs but only OS differences the Linux one is cheaper. |
And faster... |
And still no one wants to buy it. That's the bitter truth here.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | One Thinkpad here easily cost $500 more than a netbook, and that's the cheapest Thinkpad. Perhaps it depends by regions as well. |
Clearly |
$500 here can be counted as a lot. That's why netbooks can still find a market for itself here.
| krt wrote: | | mcwkm wrote: | When your walking over 2 miles I don't see a 14 or 15 inch laptop as portable. All the things you are mentioning are exactly why I love my thinkpad but when I am constantly moving, it is more of a hassle to carry something that large around and the extra 2 to 5 pounds doesn't help.
See people have different needs. I bought my EEE to be portable. I can bring it urban exploring and it won't be any more of a hassle then my camera. It also makes sense if your moving around every hour for classes. When I am actually sitting still for awhile I would much rather have something less portable and more of a powerhouse.
It all depends on what the device is being used for because different devices suit different needs. |
I got bored one day and didn't want to take the bus so ran 10km the other daywith a 15" laptop (3kg/6lbs I think) and didn't really notice it. This wasn't a first either. I've also rode countless hours on my bike with the laptop. All you need is a proper backpack that is supported properly. I guess you can also loosen it up when at uni or wherever your destination is if it looks "gay" to have the backpack worn as recommended. I suppose I'm used to it as I camp, hike and use my bike a lot for errands or commutes with shopping, changes of clothes, booze etc. so do understand where people come from and how a more "portable" system is a better choice. Personally, I think any discomfort is balanced by performance and realistic gaming/CAD capabilities. |
According to a newspaper report I just read yesterday, many children here are carrying backpacks of at least 4kg. Childen as in those attending primary school at the age of 7-12.
I was one of those.
It depends on how you grow up. If you grow up carrying a heavy bag to school the weight is nothing to you once you get used to it.
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| Jacky wrote: | Even if they calculated there are still offers sometimes when they offer the free warranty extension. 2 years is enough to make a laptop tired.
Some laptops, especially business ones, usually come with 3 years standard international. If they manage to calculate it past 5 years by that time you would have purchased a new laptop. |
Manufacturers will never sell a laptop with warranty that expands beyond the expected lifetime of one of the components. Distributors might though.
| Quote: | | I didn't read it, I have been using it for 5 years and it's still working for me. |
You should have though...
Actually no, a laptop can't be counted as a regular desktop computer.
Going to try to escape it by going on about spelling and grammar?
| Quote: | Well we talked about how many people go for Core 2 Duo, and I said that the "Core 2 Duo inside" label doesn't tell me "Core 2 Duo is better for everything".
Yes the label doesn't tell them, the salespeople tell them. |
No the label works like this: "Oh hey many people have it, must be good."
| Quote: | | And still no one wants to buy it. That's the bitter truth here. |
If no one wants to buy it then they wouldn't sell it.
| Quote: | | $500 here can be counted as a lot. That's why netbooks can still find a market for itself here. |
The clearly was about the price difference, not about the other part of your statement.
| Quote: | | According to a newspaper report I just read yesterday, many children here are carrying backpacks of at least 4kg. Childen as in those attending primary school at the age of 7-12. |
Does that relate to this discussion? 7-12 year old kids shouldn't be taking a laptop to school.
| Quote: | | It depends on how you grow up. If you grow up carrying a heavy bag to school the weight is nothing to you once you get used to it. |
I beg to differ, you have no clue how much I liked replacing a pack of notes by a laptop.
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Jacky wrote: | Even if they calculated there are still offers sometimes when they offer the free warranty extension. 2 years is enough to make a laptop tired.
Some laptops, especially business ones, usually come with 3 years standard international. If they manage to calculate it past 5 years by that time you would have purchased a new laptop. |
Manufacturers will never sell a laptop with warranty that expands beyond the expected lifetime of one of the components. Distributors might though. |
I have seen HP doing it, and what's more they offered it during an IT fair which drew a lot of people.
Yes it is HP who is offering the warranty service, and it covers 3 years.
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Actually no, a laptop can't be counted as a regular desktop computer. |
As long as you remove the "desktop" it's still a computer.
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Going to try to escape it by going on about spelling and grammar? |
If I did I wouldn't have done more explanation.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | Well we talked about how many people go for Core 2 Duo, and I said that the "Core 2 Duo inside" label doesn't tell me "Core 2 Duo is better for everything".
Yes the label doesn't tell them, the salespeople tell them. |
No the label works like this: "Oh hey many people have it, must be good." |
How does the average user know "many people have it"?
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | And still no one wants to buy it. That's the bitter truth here. |
If no one wants to buy it then they wouldn't sell it. |
When I say no one, I mean "close to no one". It forms the minority.
They have stocks for it, manufacturers include it in their brochures, they just got to display it there and sell it.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | According to a newspaper report I just read yesterday, many children here are carrying backpacks of at least 4kg. Childen as in those attending primary school at the age of 7-12. |
Does that relate to this discussion? 7-12 year old kids shouldn't be taking a laptop to school. |
Read my later part of my post.
In fact what we are discussing now are totally off-topic, if you were to ask that I would have to ask why we were talking about this when the original subject was about the Eee Box.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | It depends on how you grow up. If you grow up carrying a heavy bag to school the weight is nothing to you once you get used to it. |
I beg to differ, you have no clue how much I liked replacing a pack of notes by a laptop. |
I'm trying to imply that it's just a matter of how you get use to it.
Simply put, I have lugged before more than 4kg of books in my backpack, and if I were to have a 2kg laptop in my bag and perhaps with some books inside I doubt I would find a difficulty because I have got used to it.
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| Jacky wrote: | I have seen HP doing it, and what's more they offered it during an IT fair which drew a lot of people.
Yes it is HP who is offering the warranty service, and it covers 3 years. |
Then they're sure the component life time is longer than 3 years. But then again HP isn't exactly all that cheap.
| Quote: | | As long as you remove the "desktop" it's still a computer. |
Counting a desktop and a laptop as a computer of the same type just can't be done.
| Quote: | | If I did I wouldn't have done more explanation. |
You actually didn't give a lot more explanation.
| Quote: | | How does the average user know "many people have it"? |
Lets see, practically every laptop has a Core 2 Duo Inside label on it?
| Quote: | When I say no one, I mean "close to no one". It forms the minority.
They have stocks for it, manufacturers include it in their brochures, they just got to display it there and sell it. |
I'm not sure about you but I actually had to look quite hard to find a linux laptop. The only company offering them here is Lenovo.
| Quote: | | Read my later part of my post. |
My point still stands.
| Quote: | | In fact what we are discussing now are totally off-topic, if you were to ask that I would have to ask why we were talking about this when the original subject was about the Eee Box. |
We're talking about how the Eee's are overpriced for what they do.
| Quote: | I'm trying to imply that it's just a matter of how you get use to it.
Simply put, I have lugged before more than 4kg of books in my backpack, and if I were to have a 2kg laptop in my bag and perhaps with some books inside I doubt I would find a difficulty because I have got used to it. |
I don't get it how you succeed in pushing that much books into your backpack. Most of the weight in mine comes from the bottle of water in there.
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| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Jacky wrote: | I have seen HP doing it, and what's more they offered it during an IT fair which drew a lot of people.
Yes it is HP who is offering the warranty service, and it covers 3 years. |
Then they're sure the component life time is longer than 3 years. But then again HP isn't exactly all that cheap. |
I don't think so. As far as I know this laptop runs hot, as reported by many NBR users.
The V3000 is being offered at a very cheap price by retailers and no other well-known manufacturer (Dell, Acer, etc.) here are offering that low.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | As long as you remove the "desktop" it's still a computer. |
Counting a desktop and a laptop as a computer of the same type just can't be done. |
You said a laptop isn't a "regular desktop computer". But I fail to see how the term computer is linked to a desktop.
A notebook PC is still a computer, regardless of whether you use it regularly or not.
I don't know what "same type" you are talking about.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | If I did I wouldn't have done more explanation. |
You actually didn't give a lot more explanation. |
I didn't say a lot, I said "more" meaning I didn't stop at the spelling correction.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | How does the average user know "many people have it"? |
Lets see, practically every laptop has a Core 2 Duo Inside label on it? |
The average user may not even know what the label is for.
And majority of the laptops are Centrino-certified and thus use the Centrino label instead.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | When I say no one, I mean "close to no one". It forms the minority.
They have stocks for it, manufacturers include it in their brochures, they just got to display it there and sell it. |
I'm not sure about you but I actually had to look quite hard to find a linux laptop. The only company offering them here is Lenovo. |
I'm not talking about laptops, I'm talking abotu netbooks.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | Read my later part of my post. |
My point still stands. |
Yes but I was asking you to read my later part in case you misunderstood.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | | In fact what we are discussing now are totally off-topic, if you were to ask that I would have to ask why we were talking about this when the original subject was about the Eee Box. |
We're talking about how the Eee's are overpriced for what they do. |
The above discussion don't relate to the overpricing.
| LP-SolidRaven wrote: | | Quote: | I'm trying to imply that it's just a matter of how you get use to it.
Simply put, I have lugged before more than 4kg of books in my backpack, and if I were to have a 2kg laptop in my bag and perhaps with some books inside I doubt I would find a difficulty because I have got used to it. |
I don't get it how you succeed in pushing that much books into your backpack. Most of the weight in mine comes from the bottle of water in there. |
Simple enough, school at that time was 6 hours. There were a lot of different lessons back then and you got to lug along the textbook and workbook. There would be around 12 periods of lesson, 1 period lasting 30 minutes.
Simply put, at least 5 subjects could be taught per day and I got to lug along the textbook and workbooks for each subject. Besides the books I got a folder for storing worksheets, which adds onto the weight.
Nowadays my backpack can be as heavy as those days or it can be very light, depending on my timetable. I can feel the strain when I try lifting it with my hands, yet when I carry it on my back I can absolutely feel nothing at all.
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| Jacky wrote: | I don't think so. As far as I know this laptop runs hot, as reported by many NBR users.
The V3000 is being offered at a very cheap price by retailers and no other well-known manufacturer (Dell, Acer, etc.) here are offering that low. |
The temperatures have been taken into account.
| Quote: | You said a laptop isn't a "regular desktop computer". But I fail to see how the term computer is linked to a desktop.
A notebook PC is still a computer, regardless of whether you use it regularly or not.
I don't know what "same type" you are talking about. |
It isn't, you can't expect a laptop to work the same as a desktop. A laptop has a limited feature set. A desktop allows so much more.
| Quote: | | I didn't say a lot, I said "more" meaning I didn't stop at the spelling correction. |
There you go again.
| Quote: | The average user may not even know what the label is for.
And majority of the laptops are Centrino-certified and thus use the Centrino label instead. |
They'll recognize the label. And I'm not sure about where you live but here they usually stick 3-4 labels on a laptop.
| Quote: | | I'm not talking about laptops, I'm talking abotu netbooks. |
That's the whole problem, netbooks aren't worth what they cost.
| Quote: | | The above discussion don't relate to the overpricing. |
It does, it relates to the disability of the Eee's to run anything more than a browser and a mailing application and maybe something like MS Word.
| Quote: | | Simple enough, school at that time was 6 hours. There were a lot of different lessons back then and you got to lug along the textbook and workbook. There would be around 12 periods of lesson, 1 period lasting 30 minutes. |
That's simply a messed up school system. By the time you sit down the next thing already starts if it's with 30 minutes.
| Quote: | | Simply put, at least 5 subjects could be taught per day and I got to lug along the textbook and workbooks for each subject. Besides the books I got a folder for storing worksheets, which adds onto the weight. |
You should never take entire books with you. You can perfectly predict what you'll need next. Take only that part of the workbook with you.
| Quote: | | Nowadays my backpack can be as heavy as those days or it can be very light, depending on my timetable. I can feel the strain when I try lifting it with my hands, yet when I carry it on my back I can absolutely feel nothing at all. |
I doubt that's very healthy in that case.
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Skipping through most of all that because I wield the biggest ban hammer..
I like the idea of a small desktop that can be tucked away beside an LCD monitor for general purpose computing. There is a market for small computers that can be used in a small space.
It just needs to be small enough and cheap enough to put on a table in the dining room for browsing the news, updating Facebook, or watching a few Youtube videos. It might not be appropriate for the latest first person shooter, but face it that most of the people out there are more interested in updating their Facebook page than playing the latest first person shooter.
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