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Jacky
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:18 am Post subject:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

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I don't think so. As far as I know this laptop runs hot, as reported by many NBR users.

The V3000 is being offered at a very cheap price by retailers and no other well-known manufacturer (Dell, Acer, etc.) here are offering that low.

The temperatures have been taken into account.

The temperature, along with the NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT and that the inappropriate location of the heatsink, means that the laptop, if not cared for well, may not last longer than 2 years.

HP offers the 3 years warranty free to one student offer model. And what I can say is that, that particular model sells like hotcakes.

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You said a laptop isn't a "regular desktop computer". But I fail to see how the term computer is linked to a desktop.

A notebook PC is still a computer, regardless of whether you use it regularly or not.

I don't know what "same type" you are talking about.

It isn't, you can't expect a laptop to work the same as a desktop. A laptop has a limited feature set. A desktop allows so much more.

You can still run most of the programs on either one.

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I didn't say a lot, I said "more" meaning I didn't stop at the spelling correction.

There you go again.

You made to. Sad

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

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The average user may not even know what the label is for.

And majority of the laptops are Centrino-certified and thus use the Centrino label instead.

They'll recognize the label. And I'm not sure about where you live but here they usually stick 3-4 labels on a laptop.

Most of the laptops come with the Centrino label and the Windows Vista label.

From what I see most users don't know what's Centrino, let alone that they know the laptop comes with Core 2 Duo (since Centrino requires that).

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I'm not talking about laptops, I'm talking abotu netbooks.

That's the whole problem, netbooks aren't worth what they cost.

They are still worth it, like I said in previous posts about the $500 difference.

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The above discussion don't relate to the overpricing.

It does, it relates to the disability of the Eee's to run anything more than a browser and a mailing application and maybe something like MS Word.

As in everything before this about whether a laptop is a computer or not.

People have managed to get some games (CS 1.6, Warcraft 3, etc.) to run on it. I have even seen a community dedicated to the Eee PC and it's filled with guides on how to get those running smoothly.

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Simple enough, school at that time was 6 hours. There were a lot of different lessons back then and you got to lug along the textbook and workbook. There would be around 12 periods of lesson, 1 period lasting 30 minutes.

That's simply a messed up school system. By the time you sit down the next thing already starts if it's with 30 minutes.

I don't know about other school systems but we generally stay in the same classroom throughout the day.

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Simply put, at least 5 subjects could be taught per day and I got to lug along the textbook and workbooks for each subject. Besides the books I got a folder for storing worksheets, which adds onto the weight.

You should never take entire books with you. You can perfectly predict what you'll need next. Take only that part of the workbook with you.

That's the mentality of a kid. Take everything with you and you don't get scolded.

Of course now that I'm older I know what to bring and how to minimise the weight.

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Nowadays my backpack can be as heavy as those days or it can be very light, depending on my timetable. I can feel the strain when I try lifting it with my hands, yet when I carry it on my back I can absolutely feel nothing at all.

I doubt that's very healthy in that case.

Experts recommend that you don't carry something that is more than 10% of your weight.

I guess I'm quite safe.

LP-Trel wrote:

Skipping through most of all that because I wield the biggest ban hammer.. Smile

I like the idea of a small desktop that can be tucked away beside an LCD monitor for general purpose computing. There is a market for small computers that can be used in a small space.

It just needs to be small enough and cheap enough to put on a table in the dining room for browsing the news, updating Facebook, or watching a few Youtube videos. It might not be appropriate for the latest first person shooter, but face it that most of the people out there are more interested in updating their Facebook page than playing the latest first person shooter.

From what I know the Eee Box can be attached to the back of an LCD monitor. You are sort of using a computer "without the tower". Wink

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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 12:45 pm Post subject:

LP-Trel wrote:

Skipping through most of all that because I wield the biggest ban hammer.. Smile

You forgot more energy efficient. Everything else is just pure wisdom from Trel.

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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:49 pm Post subject:

Doesn't change the fact that they're selling it at pure rip off prices in Europe. _________________ Dilly dally, shilly shally.

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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:19 pm Post subject:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that they're selling it at pure rip off prices in Europe.

Then simply don't buy it. No one is forcing you to.

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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:28 pm Post subject:

mcwkm wrote:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that they're selling it at pure rip off prices in Europe.

Then simply don't buy it. No one is forcing you to.

It does make his point about it being better value for what you pay moot.
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:40 pm Post subject:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

mcwkm wrote:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that they're selling it at pure rip off prices in Europe.

Then simply don't buy it. No one is forcing you to.

It does make his point about it being better value for what you pay moot.

The prices in Europe are higher then the prices in North America and the prices in Japan/Korea/China. So when it is a better value in those countries then alternatives I don't see your point. The EEEbox is one of the cheaper desktop options on newegg and it has a much better form factor, style and uses less power than the alternatives.

Not everyone needs a core duo and a lot people can manage with a 500mhz processor and 256mb of ram.

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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject:

that's all I have to say mcwkm. Cause basically you're not getting it and I'll just give up trying to explain since you're too stubborn and too much "omg EEE is great value for buck". _________________ Dilly dally, shilly shally.

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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:01 pm Post subject:

The EEE is not great value for its price but you seem to be viewing it as a product that has no purpose or use in a consumer world and have been discussing a bunch of parts that average consumers don't need. The bang for your buck fails to exist in the EEE line but they are less costly products then an average notebook or desktop and they are a smaller size and try to look nice. My point is they are cheap because the parts used are less expensive then other components. They don't run the fastest hardware so their value is actually pretty slim when you compare specs to price but they are on the relatively cheap side of the spectrum for computing options and they are quality built. Well mine is a tank anyway.

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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 2:14 am Post subject:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

that's all I have to say mcwkm. Cause basically you're not getting it and I'll just give up trying to explain since you're too stubborn and too much "omg EEE is great value for buck".

Actually I think the EEE pc (netbook) is a pretty good bang for the buck at USD$200. The real sticking point for the hardware is the price.

Is it too high right now? Probably. Just wait until the price comes down to a point where you like it then buy it if you want it.

I like computers with a small form factor and decent performance for what I need it to do. The EEE Box might be a nice computer to attach to a TV for a low powered HTPC if it can drive the display with the graphics chipset. There are a lot of different uses, but some people just want the small form factor more than the raw power. They might get taken a bit on the price, but they'll be happy with a small computer they can tuck in the corner.

Don't forget that netbooks are one of the hottest items right now and they're basically extremely small underpowered notebooks. Wink

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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 3:47 am Post subject:

LP-Trel wrote:

They start at 250-300 euro here... You might see a problem with that considering the value of the dollar compared to the euro... For the same money you can buy a better desktop and for a bit more a better laptop. That's the point of my argument really. Unless ASUS decides to actually make their prices reasonable they shouldn't expect people here to buy them.

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Don't forget that netbooks are one of the hottest items right now and they're basically extremely small underpowered notebooks. Wink

EEE & other types of netbooks description:
For only the price of a normal laptop minus €50 we offer you this:
A light weight laptop with a stamp sized LCD display with virtually no memory. We expanded its battery life by screwing up the performance. Additionally we decided to pack it in cheap light weight plastic to be sure you get your value.

No thanks, I'll skip the hype Silly

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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 4:09 am Post subject:

It is all personal preference. I'm not a big fan of them for a general use computer and my mobile phone replaces a netbook quite nicely in most cases. The netbook would be nice if I didn't have my mobile phone, but that is about all I would use it for. VNC, SSH, and limited email/browser usage. I can do all that from my phone now. _________________ What would you like to see at L2P? We want your suggestions! Need Help? Technical Support • Knowledgebase • Flash Demos • Signup Questions

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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 7:40 am Post subject:

mcwkm wrote:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

mcwkm wrote:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

Doesn't change the fact that they're selling it at pure rip off prices in Europe.

Then simply don't buy it. No one is forcing you to.

It does make his point about it being better value for what you pay moot.

I see the cheapest Eee Box here selling at S$438, the price of a normal PC is at least $999.

mcwkm wrote:

The EEE is not great value for its price but you seem to be viewing it as a product that has no purpose or use in a consumer world and have been discussing a bunch of parts that average consumers don't need. The bang for your buck fails to exist in the EEE line but they are less costly products then an average notebook or desktop and they are a smaller size and try to look nice.
My point is they are cheap because the parts used are less expensive then other components. They don't run the fastest hardware so their value is actually pretty slim when you compare specs to price but they are on the relatively cheap side of the spectrum for computing options and they are quality built. Well mine is a tank anyway.

Yes I agree.

Building your own PC may seem to be cheaper and even last longer, but the average user definitely won't know where to source for such items and how to assemble them. And when it comes to warranty the user is his own service centre.

Yes it may not be entirely "worth it" but it's at least cheaper than the average market price of a normal PC.

LP-Trel wrote:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

that's all I have to say mcwkm. Cause basically you're not getting it and I'll just give up trying to explain since you're too stubborn and too much "omg EEE is great value for buck".

There are several models of the Eee PC released. I personally just like the 1000H. The 10" screen definitely won't strain your eyes and with a 160GB HDD you won't complain of lack of space (as opposed to earlier models which came with only SSDs).

I have seen prices of the Eee PCs dropping. The 1000H used to be around $888, now it's $698.

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LP-Trel wrote:

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Don't forget that netbooks are one of the hottest items right now and they're basically extremely small underpowered notebooks. Wink

It depends on your usage.

I don't consider the 10.1" screen a "stamp size". 2 more inches and you get your laptop 12.1".

Windows XP on 1GB RAM is sufficient. My current laptop is equipped with Windows XP on 512MB RAM, and I can still play my games fine.

Like its name suggest, the netbook is just for your basic web surfing. It would be quite silly to use it as your primary PC unless you don't use a PC everyday at all and it's for occasional use.

And no, they didn't screw any performance to increase battery life. From what I know the minimum battery life for the Eee PC is 4 hours, and that's with heavy usage. If your home consumer laptop hits 3 hours you can thank yourself for having good judgement.

When netbooks were first released here they were priced at a very cheap price compared to notebooks, but I had also a similar thought: "It comes with Linux and a meagre capacity SSD, the processor is just too weak (if I remember correctly they first came with Celerons clocked at around 500-800MHz) and I might as well save up my money and buy myself a laptop".

That's in 2007.

Netbooks progressed a lot in 2008, and now I can even imagine myself watching some movies with the Eee PC on a train ride with the long battery life (which I have yet to seen it myself).
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 8:30 am Post subject:

Jacky wrote:

I see the cheapest Eee Box here selling at S$438, the price of a normal PC is at least $999.

Wow, where are you looking Neutral

They're selling desktops with a lot better specifications starting from €200 here. (that's roughly $260).

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Building your own PC may seem to be cheaper and even last longer, but the average user definitely won't know where to source for such items and how to assemble them. And when it comes to warranty the user is his own service centre.

Walk into a PC store, they'll be happy to insist if you say how much money you're willing to spend.

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Yes it may not be entirely "worth it" but it's at least cheaper than the average market price of a normal PC.

I beg to differ. Especially with the older single core CPUs and motherboards still being available in large stocks and most stores still have piles of Windows XP OEM disks.

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That's a giant rip off price.

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It depends on your usage.

I don't consider the 10.1" screen a "stamp size". 2 more inches and you get your laptop 12.1".

I donn't want to sit 20cm away from my screen, that's not really comfortable. With my normal laptop I can perfectly see the screen without wearing my glasses at least. Even at fairly high resolutions.

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Windows XP on 1GB RAM is sufficient. My current laptop is equipped with Windows XP on 512MB RAM, and I can still play my games fine.

Like its name suggest, the netbook is just for your basic web surfing. It would be quite silly to use it as your primary PC unless you don't use a PC everyday at all and it's for occasional use.

And no, they didn't screw any performance to increase battery life. From what I know the minimum battery life for the Eee PC is 4 hours, and that's with heavy usage. If your home consumer laptop hits 3 hours you can thank yourself for having good judgement.

And still you'd be better of with a regular laptop. The only advantage the Eee has is it's size. The price is way too high, and 4 hour battery life is pretty much standard these days. My thinkpad lasts 5-6 hours without problem (and that is with wifi on). And since I can actually switch the battery (and I have two) the total time it can be used is a lot higher.

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When netbooks were first released here they were priced at a very cheap price compared to notebooks, but I had also a similar thought: "It comes with Linux and a meagre capacity SSD, the processor is just too weak (if I remember correctly they first came with Celerons clocked at around 500-800MHz) and I might as well save up my money and buy myself a laptop".

Their hardware specifications have not gone up enough to warrant the increase in price.

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Netbooks progressed a lot in 2008, and now I can even imagine myself watching some movies with the Eee PC on a train ride with the long battery life (which I have yet to seen it myself).

I do that all the time with my laptop on the bus. Not exactly a problem.

A netbook has no added value for it's price. The only advantage it might have is it's size.
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 1:34 pm Post subject:

Jacky wrote:

mcwkm wrote:

I'm not sure if that all was in response to my statement but your layout makes me believe it is. I never mentioned building a PC. I was purely talking about preconfigured PCs and their manufacturers. The EEEbox is manufactured by a much better name then most of the other PCs in its price range that are new. I don't know the actual build quality but Asus products have been pretty durable in my experiences and my EEE has taken a lot of abuse.

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Their hardware specifications have not gone up enough to warrant the increase in price.

The celeron used had better benchmarks despite the lower clockspeed. The 2g model had a 800mhz processor underclocked to 500mhz and the other original models had a 900mhz processor underclocked to 600mhz

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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject:

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

Jacky wrote:

I see the cheapest Eee Box here selling at S$438, the price of a normal PC is at least $999.

Wow, where are you looking Neutral

They're selling desktops with a lot better specifications starting from €200 here. (that's roughly $260).

That really depends on region.

What's the cheapest price of a netbook or a nettop over there?

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Walk into a PC store, they'll be happy to insist if you say how much money you're willing to spend.

The thing is that for us we know that building our own PC is actually possible.

When I got my first PC I never knew that building my own PC was possible, I only knew that I got to buy them from those manufacturers.

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Yes it may not be entirely "worth it" but it's at least cheaper than the average market price of a normal PC.

I beg to differ. Especially with the older single core CPUs and motherboards still being available in large stocks and most stores still have piles of Windows XP OEM disks.

Normal PC as in those first-hand ones. People don't really go for second-hand stuff unless they are hard up on money.

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That's a giant rip off price.

The dollar is not in US currency by the way. Wink

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

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It depends on your usage.

I don't consider the 10.1" screen a "stamp size". 2 more inches and you get your laptop 12.1".

I fail to see why you would need to sit 20cm away from your screen.

The standard resolution is 1024x600.

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

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4 hours is standard, but not for consumer laptops, for business laptops at least.

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

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Their hardware specifications have not gone up enough to warrant the increase in price.

The price is still around the same even though now that they use Intel Atom.

LP-SolidRaven wrote:

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Netbooks progressed a lot in 2008, and now I can even imagine myself watching some movies with the Eee PC on a train ride with the long battery life (which I have yet to seen it myself).

I do that all the time with my laptop on the bus. Not exactly a problem.

A netbook has no added value for it's price. The only advantage it might have is it's size.

Yes, the size.
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*click* *click*
*reading garbage*
"Oh it was Jacky again..."
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