athieism

pharmer4 · Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: athieism

It seems strange to me that people who don't have any faith in any imaginary theology call themselves an athiest.

The reason I say this is because technically, every single person on earth is an athiest of some kind, because no one can belive in the existence of every possible imaginary theological creation. So if you don't think Thor exists, that makes you an "athiest" of the scandinavian theolgocial creation.

I personally have no religion, i have no faith, and follow no theology, becuase I am not going to waste my life following tennets laid down by people thousands of years ago to comfort them through their pitiful lives. All religions are inventions created to comfort the weak willed, and unfortunatelly, people still follow these inventions like sheep.

I don't call myself an athiest, because that is STILL definining myself with regards to theology.

Since there is no god, why would I define myself in any way that has anything to do with such a fiction?

PS the term "imaginary theology" is a dichotomy - saying something twice, since all theology is based on someone's imagination. Sort of like saying "sweet sugar" or "horribly bad". You don't need both words, since they mean the same thing. I just used it here because there are still people out there who, sadly, see theology as fact, which is pitiful enough that it requires me to specifically define my meaning.
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Necromis · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 8:07 am Post subject:

Pharmer being an athiest is more of a blanket statement. Rather than being a Non-Christian, Non-Muslim, Non-Jew....etc. It is basically saying you are the opposite of a thiest. A true athiest is not against religion, but simply does not believe that God exists. There a few that twist this title into an anti-religion stand point, and even most thiest, not all, say that being athiest is anti-religion.

Point blank, it is not.

kenoodo · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 10:49 am Post subject:

Are we talking about atheist? Or I can not get athiest in my dictionary.

I might be the one who do not believe in any religion. so I am an atheist, which mean I do not believe that there is God, or whatever name you call him.

The reason is simple, since the God is in charge of everything, it is not a thing to show up himself to us, but he never shows up. And I take that for no care of my request, so, I have no reason to believe in any one who does ignore.

Necromis · Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 11:36 am Post subject:

yes, atheist. Sorry. Typo. Exactly one of the reasons I have issues with the whole God thing. After all the Bible has all of these tails regarding God doing these larger than life things to help his people and further his faith. However, you don't see squat from any God today. Either the Bible is full of crap, or God just don't care.

pharmer4 · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:33 am Post subject:

necromis, you need to know the bible to make statements like that, because the people who wrote were very clever.

To have an argument agianst people who say "he never shows himself, why should I believe in it?" they put in a little bit saying he sent his son here, and after that, he won't have any more direct influence or contact. The next time you see his actions directly will be the rapture.

So, that gives them a nice little arguement against what you are saying right there.

the problem is, they are using the one piece of "evidence" to say their god exists to back itself up.

It's like me saying:

"hobbits really exist."

"Well, why don't we see them, you book must be based in fantasy"

"oh no, the book says they all left for another place, so the book must be correct, and therefore hobbits do exist"
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ClickFanatic · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:41 pm Post subject:

To me, the definition of an atheist is: someone who does not believe in the supernatural.
I am not a follower of any religion. That does not make me an atheist, however.
People can not comprehend the supernatural (we call it supernatural for a reason), so everything we 'know' about it can only be based on beliefs. Therefore, I (and every single person) is free to believe whatever he wants unless it is proven false by fact.
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Necromis · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject:

The problem with that CF is that the true definition of theist is one who believes in the existance of a diety. You can believe in a diety but not believe in ghosts or the supernatural. So your interpretation is flawed in that aspect.

ClickFanatic · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 2:19 pm Post subject:

Necromis · Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:27 am Post subject:

CF you can believe, or not believe in ghosts or the supernatural. I am not challenging that. However, you cannot change the meaning of a word to include something it does not. That would be like saying arachniphobia, the fear of spiders, also means I fear dogs. Just because it is a fear. Their may be a term for those who don't believe in the supernatural. However, theist is not the word.

ClickFanatic · Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:55 pm Post subject:

I am talking about atheists not believing in the supernatural, because that's what they do. People who do believe in the supernatural do not call themselves atheists.
It may not be what the word exactly means, but that is the way it is used.
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pharmer4 · Posted: Sun Jan 06, 2008 2:57 pm Post subject:

a general word for those who do not believe in any of that nonsense is a sceptic, but even scepticism leaves an opening for a possibility that your dis-belief could be incorrect.

There is no supernatural, and there are no dieties.

That being said, I'm not saying people can't believe what they like - I am all about personal freedom (hence I detest religion), so I am the last person to say you can't worship a 3 day old slice of pizza as the new coming of Thor.

I just think you are an idiot if you do.
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Necromis · Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 11:26 am Post subject:

also there may be theists that don't believe in the supernatural. Many don't. They are two seperate non-beliefs that are simliar. Like me, I am an atheist, but I believe more agnostically towards the supernatural.

pharmer4 · Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:27 am Post subject:

I knew that the people who post a lot in this section of the forum would not come in to this thread - they know they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to arguing about the reality of the universe.
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Xtreme · Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 5:29 pm Post subject:

Is that an attempt to provoke theists?

The idea of God and man's relationship with Him is at the very core and root of our being. All nature cries out in exaltation to Him and upon all of our hearts He has written His law. If you're just trying to ignore that, then that's your business.

Now if you want an honest discussion, that's something entirely different. I - and others, I'm sure - just wasn't getting that drift from your original post.

You cannot possibly talk sanely - that is, consistently and sensibly - about "the reality of the universe" if you choose to ignore theology. If you're prepared to engage in a logical discussion of theology, then I recommend that you be prepared to discuss specific points instead of just leaping around vaguely like many of the threads on this board do.

Necromis · Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2008 8:13 am Post subject:

Xtreme, the start of your post is pure opinion, and nothing logical or factual. Nothing about me at my core, or my thoughts is religious. Nor do I see nature "exalting" anything. Secondly, how can you attempt to put logic and religion in the same light? Religion is based on belief, no facts, and logic is based on facts. If fact was able to be used to prove the existance of any diety then there would no longer be any debate on whether one existed or not. Obviously this is not able to be done LOGICALLY.

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