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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 8:33 am    Post subject: Can Hell be full? Reply with quote

Well, I don't have crazy understand of the whole Christian religion, but could it be possible that Hell could become full? Or at least, unmanageable.

Thinking back through all the generations and civilizations of time. Would all those who didn't know any better, be damned to hell? Even though there was no way for them to understand and know that the religion even existed.

When I think back too, there have been a lot of revisions and changes in the Bible(s). From the Old Testament to the New Testament, and all the changes based around Hell and the ways how punishments are perceived and done. It makes me question things. Though, that's not what this is about. I am just wondering is it possible for the whole of Hell to become full, or at least, enough people to where their eternal punishments can not be given. Like a small business, after more customers come, does it buckle or flop under pressure, or does it make it though?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell is not a business dealing with punishing people.

Hell is the state the soul exists in when it eternally shuts out God. Because God is the source of all good, a person completely and totally away from God is left to loneliness, despair, hate, and pain. It's not like God assigned someone to give Joe Smith in hell 50 lashings an hour because of a certain sin he committed.

Any analogy using "fire" or "physical torture" to speak of hell is just that - an analogy. Hell is incomprehensible to the living human mind, because we always have the potential for future redemption, love, hope, and chance to turn back to God. In hell, an eternal state, no such things exist.

So no, hell cannot "be full."

Nor would "all those who didn't know any better" be instantly damned to an eternity of separation from God. Not necessarily, at least.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 4:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Because God is the source of all good, a person completely and totally away from God is left to loneliness, despair, hate, and pain.


But is a life without God always filled with loneliness, despair, hate, and pain? I can think of a number of people who wouldn't mind being cut off from God at all, especially considering they don't believe in him anyways.

If that's what hell is, it doesn't sound as bad as I've been told it's supposed to be.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Hell is the state the soul exists in when it eternally shuts out God. Because God is the source of all good, a person completely and totally away from God is left to loneliness, despair, hate, and pain.


Says who?
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But is a life without God always filled with loneliness, despair, hate, and pain? I can think of a number of people who wouldn't mind being cut off from God at all, especially considering they don't believe in him anyways.

If that's what hell is, it doesn't sound as bad as I've been told it's supposed to be.


No one alive is totally cut off from God. In mortal sin we essentially destroy our relationship with Him, but we don't cut ourselves off from Him forever.

As I said before, if EVERYTHING good is directly or indirectly a reflection of God, then being completely without God must mean being completely without anything the human person can conceive of as "good." And anything left that had some "good" component before would be unsatisfying without God.

Also, the ability of a human person to have a relationship with another person is a reflection of the Trinity; as the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit love each other, so we refect that love by longing to love one another. If we bring ourselves into eternal separation from God's light, it is then impossible for any sort of loving or fulfilling interpersonal relationship to exist. So hell MUST, by definition, be the most lonely state possible.

Think of it like this:

Heaven is the eternal glorified Church - the eternal feast of the wedding of Christ and His bride, the Church. Would an person who hated God have any joy surrounded in unending worship of God and praise of His goodness?

Would a person who hated God have any joy at all in attending a Catholic mass? How indescribably miserable, then, must be the person who hates God and yet experiences an EVERLASTING mass? How hateful he must be who hates God and yet is exposed to Him in a way so perfect that we cannot even fathom it right now?

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M0ose asked for a Christian answer, I gave him the Christian response.
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xtreme wrote:
if EVERYTHING good is directly or indirectly a reflection of God, then being completely without God must mean being completely without anything the human person can conceive of as "good."


Ah, I missed the bit about God being the source about everything good. I may not agree with it, but at least I can see what you're talking about.
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PostPosted: Sun May 06, 2007 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I believe we only have one life to live, after it's over thats it, no afterlife and no reincarnation. I don't believe in hell or the devil
I think it's really important to live as well as you can here and now, help where you can, and try to be happy. There are no do overs and no second grab at the brass ring but if you are religious i think you should follow Gods word and apply it to your life, because if you don't..you will not be able to enjoy all the things that he promised for the most of us, here on earth.
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2007 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dylan2xs wrote:
Well I believe we only have one life to live, after it's over thats it, no afterlife and no reincarnation. I don't believe in hell or the devil
I think it's really important to live as well as you can here and now, help where you can, and try to be happy. There are no do overs and no second grab at the brass ring but if you are religious i think you should follow Gods word and apply it to your life, because if you don't..you will not be able to enjoy all the things that he promised for the most of us, here on earth.


I completely agree with you, but also I don't think the hell could be full whatever it exist or not. It does not matter where I could go after this life, and this life is enough to me.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2007 2:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I want to go to hell. It's gonna be awesome, there are gonna be many girls and stuff and there will be many metal concerts! Seriously now, I just don't believe in all these souls stuff.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In order for something to get full, it needs to have a capacity. Since hell is not actually a tangible place that you can visit, and souls don't have a body to actually occupy space with, then hell (if such a thing even exists) cannot get overfilled.
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

good question

thats all
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PostPosted: Fri May 11, 2007 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hell is a scare tactic. Metal bands took the idea and ran with it. So now Hell is metal.

For some reason when I think of hell I think of seeing it beneath the floorboards of a church. I think it has to do with my isolation of religion to a symbol, especially that of a church and not pertaining to everyday things in life.

Funny thing is that according to the religions of the world, we're all doomed to go to hell... or be reincarnated as a ladybug or some miscellaneous eternal punishment.

I think the important thing is not whether we have sinned but whether or not we do our best to resist doing evil because being completely unsinful would require perfection, and only God himself is capable of that.
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2007 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any being stained by sin cannot be in the presence of holiness - much less infinite holiness. If someone stood before the Gates of Heaven (a metaphor, obviously, in case someone's going to go pointing fingers...) with any sin upon his soul, it would be impossible for him to enter. Sin cannot bear the presence of God, for evil is the attempt to become distant from God.

Only divine intervention can cleanse the stain of sin, then. And because of God's choice to give us free will, only the choice to ASK God for forgiveness can provide the opportunity for the effects of this intervention.

So yes, only someone who is utterly perfect can enter heaven. Only someone utterly free of sin can enter heaven. Only someone filled with love for God.

In Christ's unification of the Divine and human natures, we are offered the destruction of our sin and the recreation of our entire being. We are made new - perfected; only as such can we enter God's presence completely.

So it's not that hell is a "scare tactic" or punishment. Teachings (accurate ones, anyway) on hell are simply based on the realization that not everyone will be open to the grace that is necessary to be made new to love God so greatly as to be open to enter Heaven. The state of eternal denial of God and His grace and goodness is hell. No one's trying to scare anyone into anything - at least they shouldn't be trying to.

Like I said before - would an God-hating person enjoy an eternal Catholic Mass and celebration of God? Didn't think so. How would such a person do over... oh, I don't know... let's say an INFINITE amount of time in God's immediate presence? Probably not so well. Actually as bad a possible for a human person to fare. Hell.

No threatening of whippings or fire or torture tables; even then, such things are nothing compared to ultimate everalsting lack of God, which cannot be possible in this life.

Hell is confusion, hate, loneliness, frustration, and pain all taken to their ultimate extreme, because these are among the results of the pushing away of God. The worst part, I think, though, is that a person in hell constantly and actively chooses to be there.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, I don't think the hell would be full. It is infinity.

As I have no idea where I will go after I die, that seems not a problem to me.

It is not only in Christian religion which has the hell, but also the others too. All the bad guys will be sent there and suffer the pains they have done to the good ones again and again and last forever. Seems like that. So if the hell is full, any where can these bad guys go? They won't be sent to heaven that's for sure.

Don't worry about that, there will be enough rooms for everyone, and since there would be the luck one who has already reserve one in the heaven, his room will be available. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

All of you have interesting points. The ones who answer my questions, and the ones who don't. See, whenever someone has talked about the unholy land filled with fire pain and anguish, it has always been that, a sort of physical demon spawning hate world filled with the non-believers, and the likes of people from rape to murder, to having butt sex. So in that sense of a physical explanation of a physical place, it is hard to understand what is going on and what could possibly be true. I, personally, believe that if God is able to turn away, on his creations that he loves, in such a way, to damn them to eternal damnation and pain, then that is no God of mine. Which, is why I find it hard to believe in the Christian religion and the likes.

A man once told me about something. I can't remember what he called it, but it was about choosing a religion. And how it is best to choose one because at least if you are picking one, you have a chance to be correct. Basically that is how he summed it up.
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