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DeadlyXScreams Experienced Poster

Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 50 Location: United States, Texas
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 8:17 pm Post subject: Can someone answer my questions? |
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Okay I kinda believe in god but I have a few questions that will help me to actulay be a real believer and choose who I want to follow it's only four questions but it seems that no one can really answer them.
1. What is the purpose of life. Why live if you know you're just going to die?
2. If god really wanted us in heaven with him wouldn't he just let us all in, and not have created "killers murderers siners et cetra?
3 Is it true that god has your life planed out before you are born?
4. If god forgives all why didn't he forgive adam?
If anyone has answers or opinions or anything that could help me in my search for the truth ANYTHING you have to say would be much appriceated Thank you |
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krt ...

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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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Possible answers, treat them just as food for thought
1. I doubt that you are supposed to know
2. God probably didn't intend for anyone to sin
3. Depends on which level you are thinking... in short, I think not
4. It was unintended and not to be expected? Anyway, I don't believe the stories in the Bible to be real events, but that they are metaphorical. In this case, I might think that this is a reminder that you will not be guaranteed and should not always expect forgiveness for committing evil |
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clpo13 Zarkin' frood

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Does life really need a predefined purpose? Isn't it enough to create your own purpose? _________________ "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." --Thomas Jefferson
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Grimoire Forum Regular

Joined: 04 Nov 2005 Posts: 439
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Posted: Mon Feb 19, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Can someone answer my questions? |
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| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | Okay I kinda believe in god but I have a few questions that will help me to actulay be a real believer and choose who I want to follow it's only four questions but it seems that no one can really answer them.
1. What is the purpose of life. Why live if you know you're just going to die?
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As far as anyone knows, life has no grand purpose on some cosmic scale, there is no life after death, even if all the religions try to sell you that idea in order to get you to join them.
The point is to use the amazing good fortune you've had to be alive at all.
Just think of the countless millions of trillions of sperms and ovums which didn't make it to where you are. Only one sperm and ovum out all of those could have produced you. It's like winning every lottery on the planet in one go.
You don't get very long anyway, believe me, you'll be old before you know it's happened, so just make the best of it it, and don't waste it by thinking about it too deeply.
That's like winning a vacation in Hawaii and then spending the entire time thinking about how you got there and what you'll do when you leave.
Just get out there and surf.
| Quote: | | 2. If god really wanted us in heaven with him wouldn't he just let us all in, and not have created "killers murderers siners et cetra? |
No, according to the explanations cooked up by religious people, this is perfectly consistent.
However, you have to understand hat religious people simply make up the rules as they go along, and since they never have to prove anything their argument is self sustaining and unchallengable by logic.
Apparently Earth is some sort of assault course or aptitude test to see who deserves to get into heaven, so some of us get in (the religious one's who let the 'lawd gawd into thaa hearts') and the rest are left out in the cold for eternity..
We're meant to believe that these are the actions of a morally perfect and benevolent deity...
| Quote: | | 3 Is it true that god has your life planed out before you are born? |
No, free will is an essential element to explain human evils.
The argument is that the reason human evil exists is because god has given us free will and the ability to choose to do right or wrong.
OF course, this argument works both ways.
IF there is a god, he could just as easily be an evil god, and has given us free will and the ability to choose good sometimes, because that's the only way we can truly choose to do evil.
IF we don't have free will in the matter, then we're just like robots who can only do good or do evil, and therefore we'd not really be doing either.
We need the free will to make what we do a reality, and that doesn't tell you whether the god is a good one or an evil one, because no one can say if more good or evil happens in the world. It's a balance. | Quote: |
4. If god forgives all why didn't he forgive adam? |
..because stealing apples is the worst of all possible crimes. In god's eyes, it's worse than rape or murder or child abuse.
You can never expect forgiveness if you've committed this heinous crime. _________________ |
Civillisation will not attain perfection until the last stone, from the last church, falls on the last priest.
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wayforyourpride Adept Poster

Joined: 29 Dec 2006 Posts: 74
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Posted: Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:58 am Post subject: Re: Can someone answer my questions? |
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| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | Okay I kinda believe in god but I have a few questions that will help me to actulay be a real believer and choose who I want to follow... |
That's quite an interesting introduction. I personally feel that the questions posed will most likely not make an impact on your decision simply because the believe in a high being does not really come from knowledge. It comes from faith. That's still not going to stop me from trying to answer them from my point of view (although the other answers given are quite interesting as well).
The purpose of life is one of those universal questions that really doesn't have an answer. God created man to worship him (as he did with the angels, etc), so one can argue that the reason to live is to worship God. I don't know if I completely agree with this, I believe there's an underlying purpose to all of this, but we simply have figured it out yet.
God really does want all of us to go to heaven, but he had given human something that he refuses to violate or take away: free will. Every person he creates, he creates with the intention of a greater good. It is the free will of man that turns people into murders. And just a seemingly random point: murders can get into heaven as well. In short, the only thing keeping men away from heaven (from my religion's point of view, I'm well aware that other religions think other things) is the unwillingness to accept Jesus as our savior.
In a sense, God has everything planned out. He knew a thousand years before now that you would ask these questions. Simply put, God knows everything and everything happens within God's perfect will. I know this doesn't explain why bad things happen to good people or why God allows certain tribulations to enter our life. In reality, it isn't suppose to answer that. A certain comfort is suppose to come from knowing that God knows where things are headed, God knows what you will do and how you will do it. It's kind of strange, when you think about it.
What do you mean, why didn't God forgive Adam? Certainly, he banned him from the Garden of Eden for his sins (the Garden of Eden being a picture of heaven on Earth), but he still allowed Adam to life. He allowed the race of men to continue even with sin in their heart. God forgave Adam, but he also had to punish him. Think of a small child breaking a vase while throwing a ball around a house. The parent forgives the child, but it doesn't mean that the parent cannot send them to time out. Consider the banishment of Adam from Eden a sort of time out. God is still forgiving (after all, he could have just said that everyone is going to hell after that, since sin is carried in each and every one of us because of the whole apple thing). _________________ weapons in the form of words |
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DeadlyXScreams Experienced Poster

Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 50 Location: United States, Texas
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 6:18 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know if I can add to my own post but I just wanted to say thanks to all of you who answerd, it helps with understanding =D I'm only 15 and I read the bible but it's kind of hard to answer the questions on my own. Well anyway THANKS! _________________ “When it hurts to look back, and you're scared to look ahead, you can look beside you and your best friend will be there.”
"People are like stained-glass windows. They sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light from within." |
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gonz Adept Poster

Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 72
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Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2007 7:50 pm Post subject: |
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Just wanted to tell what I think.
I'm not sure if god exists. Now doesn't mean I don't believe in god its just that I believe more in science and the fact that earth and universe were created by accident and were not created by supreme creature. You see thousand years ago people couldn't explain simple things like rain, sun, sky, trees etc. so they created gods. There are tons of things that man cannot understand and I think that instead of trying to find the answer that might never be found we believe that god created all that surrounds us. That might be true so sometimes I think to myself what if this is true. So do I believe in god ? I do but I'm not sure. So I can't answer much of your questions but for question number one I think that you have to set a purpose on your own. Why do you want to live and accomplish something in your life rather than just die. |
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Perpetual Narcissistic Megalomaniac

Joined: 02 Jul 2004 Posts: 1113 Location: In Your Head
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Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone answer my questions? |
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| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 1. What is the purpose of life. Why live if you know you're just going to die? |
There is no purpose except to live and add another brick to the wall of life. When you get older and see what you have created in life, your kids, work, family...then you will see the meaning of life.
| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 2. If god really wanted us in heaven with him wouldn't he just let us all in, and not have created "killers murderers siners et cetra? |
According to the bible, god gave everyone "free will" to be and do what they want. In my opinion the "free will" term was created to squash such questions as this. Sorta like an excuse as why god doesn't control the bad people.
| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 3 Is it true that god has your life planed out before you are born? |
According to bible, life isn't planned, but it is known what you will do and choose. In my opinion...another scapegoat. You get people saying "it was gods doing"...what BS.
| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 4. If god forgives all why didn't he forgive adam? |
Not only is he unforgiving, he is jealous too. You could also call him a murderer. Sounds an aweful lot like a human to me. _________________ God doesn't exist but I do |
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Neil Lifeless Indian
Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Posts: 2981
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Posted: Wed Mar 21, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone answer my questions? |
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| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 1. What is the purpose of life. Why live if you know you're just going to die? |
You have to make life your own with the assumption that there is no higher deity. In existential terms, you would be required to forge your essence.
| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 2. If god really wanted us in heaven with him wouldn't he just let us all in, and not have created "killers murderers siners et cetra? |
This question assumes that God exists, so I will answer it from the standpoint of a believer.
In short, we don't know the answer to this question. God could very well be playing a game with us to see what conclusions we make on life and use these conclusions to base his judgment for us. Maybe his desire is to see if we do question life and fight back and try to make meaning out of something that at first didn't have meaning.
Heaven is supposed to be a place where sin is absent. Thus, if God wanted us to forge our existence without his influence, he would weed out the bad people by observing their bad deeds and use the good people to create Heaven's community.
| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 3 Is it true that god has your life planed out before you are born? |
I am not God, so I don't know. If God is the genius he claims to be, then he probably does. We have yet to find out who God really is, whether he is a supergenius or a spirit inside us all. If he is a spirit in us, then yes, we are the creator of our destiny. If a supergenius, yes. But that would be a great disappointment.
| DeadlyXScreams wrote: | | 4. If god forgives all why didn't he forgive adam? |
How do you know that he didn't forgive Adam? |
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marinaroz Grey Scaled

Joined: 04 Mar 2004 Posts: 2797 Location: Israel
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:50 am Post subject: |
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There is most likely no purpose to life. Why would there be any? You have a life and you got to live it the best you can. Would you really feel better if you were told that your life has certain meaning in the grand scheme of things? If you read Genesis, it's my non-religious opinion that God created earth for their personal amusement, at least it sure looks this way to me. _________________ Tarakana NET |
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wahedmenelnas Experienced Poster

Joined: 22 Mar 2007 Posts: 57
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 6:08 am Post subject: i'm muslim so i 'll tell u what islam says |
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1.purpose of living:
god created the universe and created us to build in it and live in it
and in islam there is paradise for good people and hell for bad people
so we have to live well to go paradise and dont go hell
i'll answer 3 before 2
3.god doesnt plan ur life
he created u
and he gave u the mind
he let u do what u want
but he know the future
he knows every thing u 'll do
but he let u do it and dont plan for u
and there is paradise if u did well and hell if u did bad
i'll answer 4 before 2
4.god doesnt forgive all people
he lets them do what they want
he forgive them on only 3 conditions
they have to regret what they did
and intend not to do it again
and regive the things they have taken from innocent people if they had taken anything
if i made sins more than good things and didnt do those 3 conditions
i'll go to punishment(hell)
now i'll answer 2 although i think u can answer it urself now
2.god (thats all in my religion islam)dont want us in heaven
he knew that adam would mistake and he will send him to earth
we have a phrase inquor'aan says(allah told angels that he will make asuccessor on EARTH) so he knew it before he even created adam
so he want us on earth not in heaven
and he created people and make them choose what they want to be
some become killers and some become good doers
and on the judgement day .
all will take as he did
i think i answered all
any questions ,, here is my e-mail
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thunderboltz Hear the thunder!

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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:15 am Post subject: Re: Can someone answer my questions? |
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I dont have answers to your questions. I only have opinions. And I have chosen to answer only one of your questions. This is mostly because my own opinion on the others is divided. I could explain them to you, but in your position, it would only lead to more confusion.
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1. What is the purpose of life. Why live if you know you're just going to die?
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Like someone already said, the purpose of life is a mystery, and I dont suppose we are supposed to know. What you need to understand is that life and death, both have certain meanings and purposes. The point I would like to highlight here is that not just life, but death also has a meaning. Its purpose will become evident at the time. I consider that if the purpose of life and death are revealed to us right now, then that just defeats the need of our existence. Hence, for our own good, it has been kept hidden from us. Hope this helps. _________________ LiVinG iN a DemOcraTicalLy eleCtEd CoMmunIsT stAtE |
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Artakserksis Adept Poster
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Posted: Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Can someone answer my questions? |
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First of all I should say that I don't believe in God, and I stopped believing by thinking the answers to questions like these. Anyway I'll tell you what I think about these.
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1. What is the purpose of life. Why live if you know you're just going to die?
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I think that we don't have any purpose here. If god wanted us for something here it wouldn't be something different of an experiment or something, to see if we obey his rules and put us in Heaven or in Hell if we are don't. Also if you don't believe in the creation of world but in evolution instead: We didn't exist before some millions of years but dinosaurs existed then. What was their purpose? Or even older, when nothing existed at all, what was the purpose of everything?
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2. If god really wanted us in heaven with him wouldn't he just let us all in, and not have created "killers murderers siners et cetra?
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The only answer I can think for this is "god doesn't exist"
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3 Is it true that god has your life planed out before you are born?
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At the most part no. But I think that god only plans the time that everyone gets born and dies, at least in Christianity (I'm not sure about it though). But if that's true all murders and child abortions (which are not permitted by Christianity) are also planned by god.
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Well, that fairy tale with Adam and Eve pisses me off more than anything else in all the religions fairy tales so I don't have an opinion for this.
In my school I'm always bashed by everyone about my opinions in religion, but I just don't give a damn. I've made some questions like these to my religion teacher but I got no normal answer or no answer at all, rather than (believe without asking). I don't think "god" gave man free will and intelligence to blindly believe anything without thinking. |
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wellingtonboots Lifeless Person

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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: Can someone answer my questions? |
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| DeadlyXScreams wrote: |
1. What is the purpose of life. Why live if you know you're just going to die?
2. If god really wanted us in heaven with him wouldn't he just let us all in, and not have created "killers murderers siners et cetra?
3 Is it true that god has your life planed out before you are born?
4. If god forgives all why didn't he forgive adam?
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Okay, I personally don't know the answers to these questions but I can after suffering through 6 years of religious education recite in parrot fashion the official answers to these questions as ordained by the Roman Catholic Church.
1. The purpose of life to serve God. End of story. How to serve God? Go read the Bible. (In some branches of Christianity the purpose of life is said to be having the right relationship with God so you can go to heaven).
2. God decided to give Adam and Eve free will and in doing so set them apart from all other manner of creatures on earth. With free will comes the ability to choose between good and evil. Unfortuately for many people evil seems like a good option. Not to mention Satan is always there to lend these guys a helping hand. God does not create evil people (though we all have the taints of original sin within us to begin with) evil people create themselves.
3. God is outside of time and its a really tricky concept to get your head around but think about it this way all the will happen as happened and therefore you can technically say God knows what your going to do before you even do it so he can see your life before you have lived it. However God does not plan out every minute point in your life. Your life is dictated by your choices (again free will).
4. Who says God never forgave Adam? I'm pretty sure there's not a bible passage to that effect. However Adam was cast out from the Garden of Eden and never rekindled his true connection with God i.e. he was bad at being a Christian. Therefore he would technically not be allowed into heaven. It's not a question of God never forgiving Adam, it more to do with Adam never seeking out forgiveness. Though I don't think the Bible goes into the fate of Adam so for all we know he could be heaven right now. _________________ [img:78323b42a3]http://sscm.moved.in/CODES/100x35press.jpg[/img:78323b42a3]SSCM - Ugly Betty Fansite
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Purpose of life?
Simplest answer I can give you: to love. To learn to love, to learn what love is, and how to give it; to see it's power, it's goodness; to learn to be loved and to unselfishly give love in return just for the sake of the other.
This is life's ultimate purpose. But we still have to get to the point where we can acknowledge, understand (to a degree, if not fully), and act upon this Truth.
Let's take the relationship between two people into consideration - don't you WANT someone you love (parent, friend, sibling, romantic parter, etc etc) to FREELY love you in return? Sure, we go through all these absurd ways of attracting people to us and such, but don't we ultimately just want them to love us freely?
What good would it be if your wife/husband was just an automaton who went through the "actions" and did everything you asked them, but truly had no love for you? Maybe for a short time, our imperfect human nature would be satisfied with this; but ultimately, it would be useless. We long, at our deepest, to love and be loved.
So wouldn't it make sense, if we are made in reflection of God, that He would not force us to love Him? Even if he gave us everything short of omniscience and omnipotence, wouldn't we still have to FREELY love Him (if we were to love Him at all) and thus logically have the opportunity to deny His love?
This is free will. The choice to A) love God or B) forfeit his love. If we are made in reflection of God, who is perfectly good, then it makes sense that denying God is anything BUT good. This is sin - the denial of God. It's effects are all around us.
Think about it. When we wrong another human person (a finite, temporal being), we incur finite repercussions. If God, though, is infinitely good, then choosing a finite good (or finite evil, for that matter) before God's love is an infinitely grave transgression with a proportionally infinite penalty.
How can we pay an infinite debt, if we are finite beings? Since we can only incur finite punishment, we must then, if God is perfectly just, incur finite (if unimaginably immense) penalty over infinite time. And so even the slightest misdeed by the earliest man - Adam, be he a single person or representative or symbolic - would incur penalty forever. And even the slightest misdeed by ourselves would justly incur personal penalty forever.
But God, though he is just, is also merciful. We would otherwise have to suffer forever for our sins, but instead of us paying our infinite debt over infinite time, God paid it for us! If He is an infinite being, then he can pay an infinite debt. And He did. By dying on the cross, Christ paid an INFINITE debt in finite time, which we ourselves would otherwise have to pay over an infinite time.
So after we have sinned, we now have the choice to turn away from our sin freely. Just as before though, the choice must be made freely. If we choose not to love God and accept His sacrifice, then we can pay our infinite debt forever. Clearly, by dying for us, God has demonstrated that this is not His desire for our eternity. But the choice must be given if He is to respect logic and free will. |
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