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rahulmalhotra Master Poster

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 215 Location: India
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:53 am Post subject: Did some heads roll for 9/11 |
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Well this post comes as an after thought to a post that i replied to earlier in the day which was essentially on the after math of 9/11.
The fact remains that 9/11 was a sad act of terrorism that shook the world and for real, changed how we look at each other and more over pushed the muslim community to a corner. It was an event that lead to thousands been killed and maimed as a direct or indirect outcome. It was an event that drove the oil prices through the roof pinching the tax payer even more than more. It was an event that has engaged countries in low intensity conflict for a long long time.
However my point is a little different.
The fact of the matter is that the security of state is a job that a 'few good men' are entrusted. CIA / FBI / NSA etc Having said that there are also quite a few people in the intelligence world and the US government who were directly responsible for safeguarding the interests of the united states of america, especially on the homeland.
How could such security breach happen in the first place and more over in the last six years how many people from the governance have been tried for dereliction of duty and failure to perform.
In your opinion do you think that they too should be held accountable ?
Do you think its important to set example so that no such event happens going forward ?
To give you a small example, in India, there was a non detected breach on the Line of Control in the trouble state of Jammu & Kashmir. As a direct failure of intelligence on part of some central agencies and the direct commander of the local area, a lot of people lost rank & face not to mention a few court martials in the army.
Did a similar thing happen in the US _________________ Reach out - "He who dares, Wins !"
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Necromis Lifeless on my Boat

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 739 Location: USA
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Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:44 am Post subject: |
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| Actually they already were. That is why the Dept Of Homeland Security was founded. That is why the CIA and FBI are actually able to share information. You see everyone had a small piece of the puzzle that was 9/11/2001. However, they could not put them together to find the actual true threat. If the CIA and FBI could have shared what they knew then it is possible that it could have been stopped before it happened. The system as a whole was flawed, not any one person or set of people. The belief was that the CIA should only be able to work outside the US and the FBI inside it. That to share information between the two was dangerous. However, as we now know that was flawed thinking and it is better to share than to miss things that could save lives. |
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rahulmalhotra Master Poster

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 215 Location: India
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:33 am Post subject: |
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Necromis actually you give more insight to the case and infact more ground to some extent. If there were people at the CIA / FBI who were in possession on information about the tentative 9/11 attacks, then surely that information was important enough to have been escalated along the chain of command ultimately reaching the office of the national security advisor at some stage.
Also as I understand that this kind of information is not something that you pick up on the net, its the kind of stuff that is known as HINT or human intelligence which is reported by field operatives who have their ears to the ground.
Further, I also learn from the net that there were external allied intelligence agencies that had provided information about the possible attacks.
Are you implying that with so much information flying around about the same thing, the United States failed in the basic duty of homeland security let alone external aggression.
Sure in view of the above some was accountable _________________ Reach out - "He who dares, Wins !"
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Necromis Lifeless on my Boat

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 739 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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| Actually, the pieces of the puzzle were incomplete. There were rumors of attacks, there were rumors of using airplanes. There was information on the individuals. However, they were known by different agencies, and seperately meant nothing. Think of it like having a jigzaw puzzle but all the pieces are split up at three different houses. You could never put the puzzle together because you only had part of it. This is why there was no way to stop it the way the system was before. Since this has been corrected the US has stopped 17 other planned attacks. |
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clpo13 Zarkin' frood

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 1210 Location: Washington
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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I seem to remember also hearing about people who did try to tell their superiors only to be brushed off because of how common terrorist threats are. Only a fraction of the threats actually result in an attack and the 9/11 threat didn't seem realistic enough to worry about.
I don't think that anyone should be held accountable other than the people actually behind the attack, but it was a good lesson in how incompetent an overly large government can be. Too many hands not knowing what the other hands are doing... _________________ "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." --Thomas Jefferson
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