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kdpk
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in me parent gran parent culture for ´village pepols in kenya we call them here for charmkuta peoples. google for them if learn more. enyway for them marrage was for between differen tribe only - i mean no marry in familiy - only differ tribe. this was they maek them strong for partnership and for futurewar. this tribe have connection for over 30 other tribe and very strong force for backup if com in war or so. so this make them for such becose marrage unite tribe and village. they wanna expand there tribe for conquer differ land and more power. convert differ pepols for there tribe and for this reason they must use marrage to do so. So marrage not always lovely...Is just gurls wer used as tools for make familiy strong. No have power for decide - and no they can not do much for warrior except make food and bebies. So always need gurls. Men need gurls and gurls ´no say no.
is very horible so for this reson i think for same right like every one here should have for regrets. |
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kenoodo
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| Quote: | | choose well first and u have the right to separate but its not so good |
I think any creed like this can be called humanization. We human beings are not God, all men are liable to error. You shouldn't be too hasty in deciding to get married, but to love wise and choose well is not that easy. One could be blind when he is falling in love, every thing turns to be complicated at that time.
God still loves us no matter single, married or divorced, am I right?
| Quote: | in me parent gran parent culture for ´village pepols in kenya we call them here for charmkuta peoples. google for them if learn more. enyway for them marrage was for between differen tribe only - i mean no marry in familiy - only differ tribe. this was they maek them strong for partnership and for futurewar. this tribe have connection for over 30 other tribe and very strong force for backup if com in war or so. so this make them for such becose marrage unite tribe and village. they wanna expand there tribe for conquer differ land and more power. convert differ pepols for there tribe and for this reason they must use marrage to do so. So marrage not always lovely...Is just gurls wer used as tools for make familiy strong. No have power for decide - and no they can not do much for warrior except make food and bebies. So always need gurls. Men need gurls and gurls ´no say no.
is very horible so for this reson i think for same right like every one here should have for regrets. |
Sorry kdpk, your English is a little hard to understand. But I think I know what your mean. To use marriage to form a federation, a union. I believe that there would not be much love in such marriage, but that would help the tribes to live on. |
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dylan2xs
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| Well nobody can force you to remain married, why do you bother so much about religion? Live your life that's all, have your own belief, and you'll have a better life. I think a friendly divorce c ould be the best If both people can behave maturely and act like responsible adults and accept what has happened and what lies ahead, If a marriage is not working and there is no solution well what can a couple do? ruin each other' s lifes living together? ..life is too short or that..I should say. |
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wellingtonboots
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Divorce is forbidden by the Roman Catholic Church. Of course that does not mean that all Roman Catholics only marry once and for life. Plenty of people flaunt this rule, my friends for a start. However Roman Catholics believe that the vows you take at the wedding are "legally binding" in the eyes of God. If you do divorce it will not "till death do we part" so basically you have lied to God and defied him.
This rule is the reason why Henry VIII was willing to break with the Roman Catholic church, defy the Pope and set up his own sect of christianity: The Church of England. Henry fell in love with Anne Boleyn and he also need an heir.
Thus the Church of England does allow divorce but obviosly they don't encourage it.
In practise in our modern society plenty of people think this is an out dated rule and divorce any way. This is simply because marriage is simply a legal contract instead of a religious contract.
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| Quote: | | This rule is the reason why Henry VIII was willing to break with the Roman Catholic church, defy the Pope and set up his own sect of christianity: The Church of England. Henry fell in love with Anne Boleyn and he also need an heir. |
If anyone was EVER more publicly abusive of the sacrament of marriage than Henry VIII, I would be at least moderately surprised to find out.
Last time I checked, most religions with any hint of reason about them don't condone the execution of your wives. Nor the arbitrary divorce of them to the point at which you have married 6 times.
This is attested to be Henry's inability to deal with the Church's teachings; in order to twist theology to his own immediate wants, he simply reinvented it.
I have a suspicion that Henry VIII wouldn't have known love if it stared him in the face, and I am even less inclined to believe that he married Anne Boleyn - or any of his many wives - simply for love. |
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clpo13
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I thought this was a thread about religious views on divorce, not Christian views on divorce.
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This is true.
I'm curious as to Eastern traditions on divorce.
I'm somewhat skeptical as to whether somewhere like China, which pushes for mandatory government abortion, would even slightly hesitate to issue a divorce; but I honestly don't know much about contemporary Eastern philosophy on divorce or the traditional teachings of, say, Hinduism or Buddhism about the issue. |
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kenoodo
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There is no a clear basis about divorce in Buddhist scriptures. But it contains information of happy marriage and the responsibilities of marriage. Since the two people have come together and form a family, they should love each other, respect each other, observe the part and do all the responsibilities. Buddhism against the fornication, and believe that is the main reason of a broken marriage.
I think that is something like neither forbid nor encourage. A man could divorce with the wife for her infidelity. |
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| kenoodo wrote: | There is no a clear basis about divorce in Buddhist scriptures. But it contains information of happy marriage and the responsibilities of marriage. Since the two people have come together and form a family, they should love each other, respect each other, observe the part and do all the responsibilities. Buddhism against the fornication, and believe that is the main reason of a broken marriage.
I think that is something like neither forbid nor encourage. A man could divorce with the wife for her infidelity. |
i have only little knowledge about buddhist scriptures. You mean to say that in buddhist religion, there is a term divorce in marriage? how is it defined as? is it the same as the western type divorce where former couples have to sign a divorce papers and notarize it legally?
i have a story, once i encountered a new friend, she was married to her cousin almost at 30's at young age of 16. They married each other from some family tradition of some sort i don't really understand. Even the fixing of married by both parents which were actually brothers. I am "westernized" to what they call it in asia and this sort of thing i really can't comprehend understanding. the motives, the purpose, all leads to a question "why".
This girl has a former boyfriend in highschool which is actually a friend of mine. they were seperated back then by the parents of the girl after the prom. some issues related to family ties i guess. plus the fact that the girl came from a very rich family with an "import-export" business in mainland china.
the girl after years of no communication to the highschool lover came to a twist of fate. she met her former lover again unexpectedly, "it's a small world" as what they say. Their meeting end up in an unlawful affair, in both religion and morality. They both have their own families, some children and these kind of things.
The husband of the girl was aware of this affair after being briefed by the girls parents about this former lover of hers. they didn't file a divorced and instead took away the girl back to hongkong and be with her children and her husband. The husband has been chasing this girl like a "witch-hunt". they got connection to the high rank police officers where they tap conversations of meeting up places, monitored the house of the former lover, even the brothers and sisters of this guy.
I somehow encountered those agents stalking us even we were partying the night out, drinking all night long. We got paranoid and stuffs of being followed, since most times we can't distinguish if the people around us are undercover agents. It's like a cat and mouse chase. we hide the girl and keep it out of their sight.
I know that it was a bad thing to pull actually, but i pity the girl every time she escapes from her parent's house. how she gets all those bad marks on her skins, some markings of being abused and hurt. i have seen her also being cuffed by some police when they got the tip that we were at a bank. she was withdrawing some money of hers back then. i think they also got a connection with some bank managers and hotel managers.
And yet, there was no divorce after all of this... some family ties? that i don't understand. is there really a divorce in buddhist for infidelities? or family ties weights more than infidelity?
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I suspect that religion has quite little impact in the reality of modern China. In a country where abortions can be forced by the government and you can be persecuted for believing (not practicing, just believing) certain things, it doesn't seem that civil rights is one of the country's main concerns.
I know it may be a bit cliché, but I seem to find it characteristic of China to have prearranged marriages among the wealthy.
The question is, though, whether or not the religions themselves condone divorce. I don't really even know much about Eastern teachings on marriage, so I'm even more in the dark on divorce.
It seems that Buddhism teaches that divorce is acceptable? |
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clpo13
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I found an interesting article on FaithNet about marriage and divorce in Buddhism. Apparently, it is allowed since marriage is supposed to be based upon trust and love, which can sometimes break down. There's not even a fixed marriage ceremony in Buddhism, since they see the quality of the marriage as being more important than its legal status. Somehow it all ties in to spiritual enlightenment and all that, but my studies on Buddhism were a long time ago. The link probably explains it better than I can.
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kenoodo
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Most of the Chinese are infidels. There is little chance for children to touch religion books in their school ages. I believe that most of the time Chinese are stuck in the middle of legal and moral requirements. As we already know, those two do not take effect all the time.
As I already said before, I do not believe in any religion right now, but I do think most of the religion doctrines are good for our human beings. |
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