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Hmmm.... I'm quite pleased I do not indulge in drugs!! All seems a bit odd, especially when they class it all as the same stuff here...
*Withdraws from thread due to lack of knowledge*
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| SE13 wrote: | | But then this story was also linked with the potential closure of some of the window shops in The Red Light Area, which I also found quite bizarre. The mere fact that the window shops are allowed reduces sexual crime to an almost negligant figure compared with with neighbours in other European Countries. |
True, and basically the politicians who want this think closing the window shops will help preventing that young girls are being forced into prostitutions by window shop owners.
I'm not sure if it will, closing more shops will probably just move prostitution to the street, which will even make the situation more uncontrollable.
| SE13 wrote: | Just for a laugh to those reading, I did not actually realise that jay-walking was a crime in The Netherlands was actually an offence, until I landed myself a thirty guilder fine in Eindhoven in about 1990...  |
It is a crime, though almost everyone here in the bigger cities is guilty of it, they just don't do it when they see a police officer 
| SE13 wrote: | | I am aware of the legalities of drugs in The Netherlands, and that it is only tolerance, which for me, makes The Netherlands far more advanced than the rest of Europe. I also appreciate that coffe shops near to schools would be a bad thing. But general closure would be a real shame, as per my points, and that of others in previous posts. |
Well, actually I partly agree with the decision of the Rotterdam city council.
Basically, it came down to this: All coffee shops within 250 meters of schools were closed.
A coffee shop on the other side of the schoolyard, that would be bad, I agree, but this just means some are closed, and instead of walking 250 meters to the nearby coffeshop, you now have to walk 300 meters, putting quite a lot of shop owners (I believe 28 coffee shops were closed down) out of business.
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| Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2007 9:50 am Post subject: |
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I also agree with the Rotterdam policy. Even though marijuana is a pretty harmless drug, it does not combine well with studying.
If a coffeeshop is in plain sight of a school, then students will be tempted to check it out. Being stoned after school (or during, even worse) means less achievement.
I think most coffeeshops can respect the city's decision.
Anyway, back to the mushrooms. There are some actions going on in order to make the minister reconsider his decision. Via the website Red de Paddo (Save the Shroom) already 20.000 emails have been sent to the minister.
Maybe there is still some hope.
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| SE13 wrote: | | Just for a laugh to those reading, I did not actually realise that jay-walking was a crime in The Netherlands was actually an offence, until I landed myself a thirty guilder fine in Eindhoven in about 1990... |
It is a crime, though almost everyone here in the bigger cities is guilty of it, they just don't do it when they see a police officer [/quote]
Someone could have mentioned it to me before I was guilty!!  Worse still, I think I might have been alright until he spotted I was English, and hardly spoke a word of Dutch!! Thing was, I didn't believe what he was explaining, so attempted to challenge it, which in hindsight was not the brightest thing to do at the time. Plus parting with thirty guilders was nearly fifteen beers worth...... I was far from happy, I can assure you!
| spock wrote: | True, and basically the politicians who want this think closing the window shops will help preventing that young girls are being forced into prostitutions by window shop owners.
I'm not sure if it will, closing more shops will probably just move prostitution to the street, which will even make the situation more uncontrollable. |
Possibly the consentual age might come into play here. Eleven years old, albeit with parental consent does seem a little low. If the windows are controlled as they are for sexually transmitted diseases, then surely age can be controlled as well? That said, there is quite a number of rumours that some of the girls are forced into the trade by being drugged in the first place. Whether or not this has any substance remains to be seen. But the windows are as much of a tourist attraction to many, plus they serve their purpose, apparently!
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Possibly the consentual age might come into play here. Eleven years old, albeit with parental consent does seem a little low. If the windows are controlled as they are for sexually transmitted diseases, then surely age can be controlled as well? |
Both really hard things to do. Basically to punish the window shop owners inspectors/police need to prove it first, basically this still makes it quite hard to control. There are enough rumors, but not enough people who go to inspect the windows shops.
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Funny as it may seem, I really wonder who made it legal in the first place. Just imagine there exists a nation where there is a national outcry on the ban of deemed drug and yet there exists a nation which fights for food. Such are the broad spectrums for us to see on mother earth.
But on second thoughts, the dutch are really tolerant, I am sure some one has found more to this for it to be banned. Come on where coke, grass is legal, what can a few mushy's do.
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Cocaine and cannabis are not legal here. The first one is on the list of hard drugs and the latter is on the list of soft drugs. However, there is a tolerance policy regarding cannabis, which practically means it is legal.
Anyway, in theory, any country that allows alcohol, should allow relatively harmless soft drugs like cannabis and psychedelic mushrooms. Because the risks involved with such drugs are generally much lower than those involved with alcohol.
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Forgive me, as I am no expert in this field, but the stuff the street people sell here is like a brown block which users set light to, and crumble down. In the coffee shops in The Netherlands, I recall sort of green stuff put into roll-up style cigarettes. Can I presume that the stuff being sold here, as a Class C drug I might add, is somehow lesser in purity, and more laced than that of the coffee shops in The Netherlands? |
you're joking right??? you don't know the difference between grass/weed and hash??
lol - yeah right!!
you don't have to have ever tried them to know the difference! |
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Short update:
The mushrooms still have not been banned. The drug debate, in which this subject will definitely be dealt with, has been postponed several times already.
Due to the upcoming ban, however, mushroom sales have increased this year. It's a bit ironic, I think.
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Due to the upcoming ban, however, mushroom sales have increased this year. It's a bit ironic, I think. |
And logic.
I mean, seriously, if you want to keep the amount of people using mushrooms as small as possible you should just not give attention to it to much.
Basically another stupid thing just doesn't work the way the government wants to 
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