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Eve's Children: A question of how it could be
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Neil
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As was mentioned, Cain and Abel were most likely not Adam and Eve's only children. They are merely the only ones mentioned in any event, although I have not looked for names of other children (if they are mentioned in the Bible).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 24, 2007 5:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so what you all are saying is that the bible isnt accurate and leave room for speculation, and for the readers to instill there own theories and beliefs. then thats just bad.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What they're saying is, that we didn't evolve from another species, but were magically placed here on earth by an omnipotent entity.
If that isn't sufficient evidence for a mental health examination, I don't know what is.
It's just sheer coincidence that we share 95% of our DNA and appearance with chimpanzees.
Either god made us to look like chimpanzees, or god looks like a chimpanzee, and made us in his own image.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 7:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Grimoire wrote:
What they're saying is, that we didn't evolve from another species, but were magically placed here on earth by an omnipotent entity.
If that isn't sufficient evidence for a mental health examination, I don't know what is.
It's just sheer coincidence that we share 95% of our DNA and appearance with chimpanzees.
Either god made us to look like chimpanzees, or god looks like a chimpanzee, and made us in his own image.


now that is a theology i can live with!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 25, 2007 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

and in literal reading of the Bible it does specifically say that Eve only gave birth to Sons. No where within the Bible is there EVER a mention of any daughters given birth to by Eve. Rather strange don't you think. Still no one wants to give a reasonable answer to this. I feel people have the right to believe in God. However, if you are going to attempt to make others believe how about basing it on fact and evidence rather than I think, I feel. After all the Bible shows all these examples of how God supposedly did these great miracles, but low and behold has not done any in thousands of years. What made him stop? After all he has always taken such an active hand to punish or save those he felt deserved it.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to Genesis 5:4, Adam and Eve did have other sons and daughters.

Genesis 5:4 wrote:
After [Adam] begot Seth, the days of Adam were eight hundred years; and he had sons and daughters.


The genealogy of Adam up until Noah can be found in Genesis 5.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't care if they had 5000 sons and daughters the main point is that family members had to mate with each other to come to the point that we are today. my theory still stands. please comment on it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

also Neil you are only speaking of Adam. Who is not in question. We are talking about Eve and the literal statements that she ONLY gave birth to SONS. I am not so worried about the degridation of genes by starting from one set of parents. Or the issue on different skin colors and the such. That comes from living in different environments. Though the Bible tries to make it a curse. which makes no sense if God is not vengful.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 04, 2007 10:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necromis wrote:
also Neil you are only speaking of Adam. Who is not in question. We are talking about Eve and the literal statements that she ONLY gave birth to SONS. I am not so worried about the degridation of genes by starting from one set of parents. Or the issue on different skin colors and the such. That comes from living in different environments. Though the Bible tries to make it a curse. which makes no sense if God is not vengful.


If Adam had other children, they had to be with either Eve or his own daughters.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil, I am not questioning who Adam would have had children with. The problem I see is the Bible says one thing and then dealing with the same people contradicts itself. It specifically says Eve only gave birth to sons, meaning no daughters could have been made for Adam to have had daughters with. Whether with Eve or other women. Therefore the Bible is not fact, or even symbolic. As a supposed writing from God it should not be capable of falsehoods, but yet it clearly shows that right from creation it is flawed. After all if Eve had no daughters, then who could Adam have had children with? Unless you go back to the theory of Lilith.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well in m opinion the Bible, including the book of genesis should be taken as a great work of fiction, similar to norse mythology and the greek stories, I don't think all the bible is to be taken literally you can say 'Adam and Eve' instead of 'Once upon a time' in fairy tales. as I know The Adam & Eve story comes from the Sumerian tale of "Enki and Ninharsag" creating 7 males and 7 females. Enki gave his creation the ability to procreate and he's often depicted as a snake. I really think some parts of the bible should be taken literally if you are religious, like the 10 commandments. but not all of it like genesis where a lot of symbolism is used. Science is not in an atheistic position. Actually it has agnosticism's point of view. There is no evidence whether Adam and Eve existed or not. I think science doesn't say that the didn't exist, it just doesn't know.
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wahedmenelnas
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i dont know what r u talking about
in my religion(islam)
adam and eve got 2 boys and 2 girls

and so that the humans came
so i cant answer that as i know smthng else
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2007 7:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
Necromis wrote:
also Neil you are only speaking of Adam. Who is not in question. We are talking about Eve and the literal statements that she ONLY gave birth to SONS. I am not so worried about the degridation of genes by starting from one set of parents. Or the issue on different skin colors and the such. That comes from living in different environments. Though the Bible tries to make it a curse. which makes no sense if God is not vengful.


If Adam had other children, they had to be with either Eve or his own daughters.


No, not really.

the story of genesis says that god created adam and eve first, not he created the only.

This means he could have created massive amounts of humans to prevent inter-breeding.

Speaking from a point of view that assumes god did create humans, he would obviously have an idea of biology and genetics, so he'd have created a big enough gene pool to prevent issues with the gene pool.

That is assuming he created humans, which is hard to accept, seeing he does not exist.
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