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linuxdoctor
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| Pie32 wrote: | | That's a bad argument, linuxdoctor, referencing the Third Reich. That's pretty much saying uniforms are bad, yet your original point was that the orange emergency worker uniform is good. |
First, my position on those who wear orange is that they should be put to death (along with people who smoke and the 'politically' correct). On the Nazi uniforms I thoroughly approve of them. They had real style largely because the designers were all gay along with a huge proportion, before the "Night of the Long Knives," of those who wore them. My point was that if people were going to dress uniformly they should at least wear a real one and if I were to choose I'd prefer "Third Reich Wear."
I am making no comment about the policies and practices of the Third Reich nor am I passing judgment on them. History has already done that, rightly or wrongly. All I'm saying that the uniforms they wore were f-a-b-u-u-l-o-u-s.
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Celvaeti
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| I'm afraid that linuxdoctor has lost this argument by Godwin's law. =) |
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| One particular fad I hate is when people analyze other peoples' behavior. However, I have just become a slave to that as I have analyzed linuxdoctor's behavior. I will let people do as they wish as long as it does not bother me, so in my book, orange pants and Facebook are game. |
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linuxdoctor
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| Celvaeti wrote: | | I'm afraid that linuxdoctor has lost this argument by Godwin's law. =) |
You obviously do no know what Godwin's law states. In that you are not alone; most people don't. Godwin's law says nothing about whether a point is valid or not or whether a person making reference to the NS-Zeit has lost the point in a discussion. All it says is that in any given thread (on an electronic discussion group) the probability of someone brining up Hitler or the Nazi regime increases. It says nothing about ending a thread or losing the discussion at all.
In any case Godwin's purported law has never been mathematically proved which means that there is no Godwin's Law anyway. If anything it is merely an hypothesis and nothing more. My experience in mailing lists has been that those who invoke Godwin's Hypothesis as a law are merely trying to shut down discussion. I have no love for those kinds of 'people' either. As they probably would have said in the Third Reich, Sie solten geschossen oder einen Konzentrationslager gestellt werden (They should be shot or put into a concentration camp).
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| Neil wrote: | | One particular fad I hate is when people analyze other peoples' behavior. However, I have just become a slave to that as I have analyzed linuxdoctor's behavior. I will let people do as they wish as long as it does not bother me, so in my book, orange pants and Facebook are game. |
Couldn't have said it better myself buddy!
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This one drives me nuts. It all started about thirty years ago around the time that Star Wars hit the movie screens. Whether it was inspired by names of those funny little robot characters like R2D2 and 3CPO I cannot say. At first I found them quite charming. I first encountered them in Provincetown on T-shirts that had phrases like, "2QT2BSTR8" and "IM1. RU12?" Naturally, of course, this sort of thing quickly took off especially on internet mailing lists and chat groups. When once it was quite charming in isolated incidents it is now in proliferation almost intolerable. It's now used in SPAM in the hopes of avoiding SPAM filters where 'V14gr4' replaces 'Viagra', 's3x' for 'sex' and a host of other tricks are used to annoy the reader. Th13 s0rt 0f th1ng sh0u1d b3 1113g41. |
I hate that too, as well as people that spell things shorter due to laziness. A few extra letters isn't a big deal.
Examples: u instead of you, 4 instead of for, b/c instead of because.
Then there is the people (on other sites) that spell things wrong on purpose because they think it's funny.
Also it bothers me when people just post dots as a message board post. They apparently don't have anything to say, so they just post dots. It's stupid, and just disruptive. Post only if you have something to say.
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | Wearing Orange in Public
This one is fairly old by now but I still see some idiots going out in public wearing orange clothing. This is perhaps the single most aggregious sin against style that there can possibly be. Orange is the colour that emergency workers wear so that they can be more easily noticed. People who wear orange in public are certainly in an emergency situation. They have an emergency need for some advice on style. Perhaps the television networks can have a whole new television show: "Queer Eye for the Guy Who Wears Orange" When this fad first started I immediately thought that wearing orange in public was a crime against humanity deserving the death penalty. |
Ok....
What is wrong with wearing orange? I don't personally, but I can tell you that Orange is not a common "Emergency" color. Besides that, Its not the orange that matters, its the reflective strips on the vests that make them stand out. I don't have the pictures, but there is one police officer wearing a bright yellow raincoat who can barely be seen, while the police officer wearing the traffic vest with the reflective stripes can be seen very clearly. Well, as long as we are on the radical side here ("I immediately thought that wearing orange in public was a crime against humanity deserving the death penalty."), Saying that people should be put to death for having orange clothing is like saying blacks should be put to death for being black.
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| Rob1981 wrote: | Examples: u instead of you, 4 instead of for, b/c instead of because.
Then there is the people (on other sites) that spell things wrong on purpose because they think it's funny. |
b/c, w/, & and such are acceptable in my view, obviously dependant on context and medium. I guess SMS talk can go a bit too far, and caught on as a casual way to message each other due to character limits and before predictive text.
| Rob1981 wrote: | | Also it bothers me when people just post dots as a message board post. They apparently don't have anything to say, so they just post dots. It's stupid, and just disruptive. Post only if you have something to say. |
No comment is a comment.
| Rob1981 wrote: | | Then there is the people (on other sites) that spell things wrong on purpose because they think it's funny. |
As for the Internet memes , the sad thing is there are many others that do seem to find it funny, but they get abused and hackneyed far too much. That cat crap "i in your something doing something" is one particularly annoying one compounded by my hate of cats!
| jthomsonmain wrote: | | I don't personally, but I can tell you that Orange is not a common "Emergency" color. |
Not so much "emergency", rather "safety" clothing, to be seen, e.g. construction workers at night. One look at the Chelsea FC away strip and enough said.
| Neil wrote: | | One particular fad I hate is when people analyze other peoples' behavior. |
Enough responding to the obvious ones. How about Valentines day, it's close enough to a fad right? Probably not the right place to talk about it, but might as well try as it is today/tomorrow. Think it's excessive? I don't like how doing some nice things, lashing out etc. just because you assume you are supposed to is something that should change someone's image of you or make your relationship more special (or ruin it). Sure, celebrate it, but not much more than how you spend other nights you go out together, weekend getaways and so forth.
I guess I'm one of the few that would think picking out a few flowers into a vase and putting it on your girlfriend's bedside means more than spending a large amount on roses. If you think you are required to do something for the sake of your relationship or if you react negatively if your partner doesn't do anything lavish, then there is something wrong... you shouldn't be waiting until valentines or birthdays for something significant anyway.
BTW, if someone rips on you for not doing anything, ask them why we celebrate the day. They are more likely so blinded by departmental madness and advertising everywhere that causes everyone to think about it and get into "what are you doing", "what did you get" discussions rather than realising someone named Valentino sent a love note and was executed that day or something like that (feel free to correct me as I don't really care to find out myself). |
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linuxdoctor: I wear orange or yellow when biking or running along the side of the road, especially at night. Should I be put to death because I am trying to watch out for my own safety?
jthomsonmain: Saying that we should execute blacks because they are blacks for the same reason we should execute people wearing orange is pretty fallacious. People choose to wear the colour of clothing they wear, while you can't choose what colour of skin you wear. On the other hand, you could choose to execute all people who have long hair simply because they have long hair, and compare that to people who wear orange clothing, since it is a choice to have long hair.
I agree with you on Valentine's day, krt. The commercialization of holidays is really out of hand and is poisoning our thinking. Do you remember in elementary school when you would make little cards with a piece of chocolate and trade them with your whole class on valentine's day? I bet companies just love that.
Oh, and Godwin's law is auto-fail. Everybody knows that. 
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | It says nothing about ending a thread or losing the discussion at all. |
No, not Godwin's Law itself, that's true. Corollaries, however... =) |
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| Rashy wrote: | | jthomsonmain: Saying that we should execute blacks because they are blacks for the same reason we should execute people wearing orange is pretty fallacious. People choose to wear the colour of clothing they wear, while you can't choose what colour of skin you wear. On the other hand, you could choose to execute all people who have long hair simply because they have long hair, and compare that to people who wear orange clothing, since it is a choice to have long hair. |
Eh, Just trying to make him realize how stupid he sounds.
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linuxdoctor
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| Celvaeti wrote: | | linuxdoctor wrote: | | It says nothing about ending a thread or losing the discussion at all. |
No, not Godwin's Law itself, that's true. Corollaries, however... =) |
 No, not in any corollaries either. Those who say that discussions are lost or ended by invoking Godwin's Hypothesis/Conjecture as a law just have a convenient excuse to impose neo-liberal pseudo-socialist 'poltical' correctness on others.
In any case, I don't accept Godwin's Hypothesis/Conjecture anyway. It is untested and bespeaks of the frustrated ego of someone who has lost too many arguments.
| jthompsonmain wrote: | Saying that people should be put to death for having orange clothing is like saying blacks should be put to death for being black.
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Not in the least. The guy who wears orange can make a decision to wear proper clothes; the guy who is black can't decide not to be black.
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... Eh, Just trying to make him realize how stupid he sounds. |
By comparing fashion tastes (so called) to a person's race certainly makes an interesting reflection on your intelligence, doesn't it?
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | It is untested and bespeaks of the frustrated ego of someone who has lost too many arguments. |
Slight correction...it is untested and bespeaks of the sense of humor of someone who likes a simple little joke. That's why I like it. =) |
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| Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:29 pm Post subject: Re: Fads that I hate |
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| jthomsonmain wrote: | | linuxdoctor wrote: | Wearing Orange in Public
This one is fairly old by now but I still see some idiots going out in public wearing orange clothing. This is perhaps the single most aggregious sin against style that there can possibly be. Orange is the colour that emergency workers wear so that they can be more easily noticed. People who wear orange in public are certainly in an emergency situation. They have an emergency need for some advice on style. Perhaps the television networks can have a whole new television show: "Queer Eye for the Guy Who Wears Orange" When this fad first started I immediately thought that wearing orange in public was a crime against humanity deserving the death penalty. |
Ok....
What is wrong with wearing orange? I don't personally, but I can tell you that Orange is not a common "Emergency" color. Besides that, Its not the orange that matters, its the reflective strips on the vests that make them stand out. |
I agree. I don't see why wearing orange would be designated for emergency personnel only. The reflective bits of the orange is what makes it special. That's like saying I can't wear a navy blue top and pants because it too closely resembles the clothes of a police officer, but in reality what signifies the police are the emblems on their arms.
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| Xtreme $niper wrote: | | I agree. I don't see why wearing orange would be designated for emergency personnel only. The reflective bits of the orange is what makes it special. That's like saying I can't wear a navy blue top and pants because it too closely resembles the clothes of a police officer, but in reality what signifies the police are the emblems on their arms. |
No, a closer comparison would be having blue and red lights flashing on your head. Police wearing blue has nothing or very little to do with the physical properties of the colour. Fluorescent colours are chosen to get attention. And again, they are safety colours, such as on warning signs and roadside construction, not necessarily just for "emergency personnel".
| jthomsonmain wrote: | | Rashy wrote: | | jthomsonmain: Saying that we should execute blacks because they are blacks for the same reason we should execute people wearing orange is pretty fallacious. People choose to wear the colour of clothing they wear, while you can't choose what colour of skin you wear. On the other hand, you could choose to execute all people who have long hair simply because they have long hair, and compare that to people who wear orange clothing, since it is a choice to have long hair. |
Eh, Just trying to make him realize how stupid he sounds. |
Are you kidding? Rashy is right. Besides, you had no grounds to make such a comment that prompted his response and I can't believe you even had the mindset to even think of that comparison. |
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