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mcwkm
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 12:46 pm    Post subject: Firefox in OSX Reply with quote

I am use to firefox on Windows and Linux desktops and have been stuck in a Mac lab for a class since January and have noticed some minor but very annoying differences with the software. On OSX, firefox uses command+t to open a tab and command+w to close a tab but still uses the control+tab to shift through tabs. In both Windows and Linux all these commands are control+x with x being whatever the command is. This makes it very easy to use commands one after another which I do often. I've noticed that command+tab is the shortcut to switch windows on OSX which is the same key location for that command on almost any operating system.

Why doesn't firefox just use control+whatever to make it more user friendly is what I'm getting at?
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is something that pops up a lot when Windows (or other) users try out OS X for the first time.

It's definitely something that might bother you at first, but when you understand the operating system as a whole, and take some time to use it, you'll get used to it.

It's not right to actually compare the Command button to anything on a Windows keyboard. They're completely different, and only really share commonality in its label.

With much use of OS X, you'll find that a lot more emphasis is put on keyboard shortcuts than Windows. I can accomplish so much without ever touching my mouse, and that's something I can rarely do on my Windows computers.

That said, you should try out Safari to understand how the keyboard shortcuts SHOULD work on OS X. The only reason why they even touch CTRL on Firefox is because the browser is essentially a port of the Windows version.

On Safari, you have to press CMD + SHIFT + one of { or }. This seems odd at first, but it's a much more natural keyboard stroke than pressing CTRL on a mac keyboard.

Anyway, in OS X, everything's main keyboard shortcut starts with CMD. That's just how the design principles are made, and I actually would not have it any other way. That said, some keyboard shortcuts use combinations of all three/four keys. Sometimes they use CMD + ALT, sometimes it's CMD + SHIFT, while sometimes its ALT + CTRL, while other times it's just CMD + SHIFT.

There's an infinite array of possibilities for keyboard combinations, but the main key to start off with is generally Command.

Hope that helps.

EDIT: Also, just wanted to note that holding down one of those keys while doing something in the system does different things. For example, dragging a file from one folder to another in Finder will just move the file. By holding ALT while dragging, you'll see a + sign show up, which means it is now going to copy the file instead of just move it. It's little things like this that really define the OS.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Xtreme $niper wrote:
With much use of OS X, you'll find that a lot more emphasis is put on keyboard shortcuts than Windows. I can accomplish so much without ever touching my mouse, and that's something I can rarely do on my Windows computers.

I have no problem avoiding my mouse entirely on windows and linux systems and this is just entirely up to the user being familiar with the controls.


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That said, you should try out Safari to understand how the keyboard shortcuts SHOULD work on OS X. The only reason why they even touch CTRL on Firefox is because the browser is essentially a port of the Windows version.

I've rarely used OS X but what is considered the better browser on OS X, Safari or Firefox? I started using Firefox in that class just because I've used only Iceweasel and Firefox for the past 4-5 months and never cared for the windows version of Safari

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On Safari, you have to press CMD + SHIFT + one of { or }. This seems odd at first, but it's a much more natural keyboard stroke than pressing CTRL on a mac keyboard.

What does that command do?
And yes I can see if the majority of keystrokes do not require CTRL, it being an unnatural keystroke but I don't use OS X to know that.

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Anyway, in OS X, everything's main keyboard shortcut starts with CMD. That's just how the design principles are made, and I actually would not have it any other way.

I actually prefer CTRL rather then the other keys but again this is all user preference.

And thanks it does help.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcwkm wrote:

I have no problem avoiding my mouse entirely on windows and linux systems and this is just entirely up to the user being familiar with the controls.


Oh I don't doubt that it's entirely possible to avoid using your mouse on Windows, but I think being a frequent Windows and OS X user, I find that the shortcuts on OS X are more plentiful/useful (to me at least). And in OS X I can use this nifty program that everyone installs called Quicksilver. It's a very very powerful tool, but I use it for its surface functionality, which is a file/folder/application launcher exclusively via keyboard access (using it's own regularly updated catalog of your drive). Very handy. I can access folders directly in literally 1 second. Instead of going through My Documents, and then School Homework, and then a course code; I just go CTRL+Space, start typing the first letter or two of the folder I want and hit enter. Voila.

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I've rarely used OS X but what is considered the better browser on OS X, Safari or Firefox? I started using Firefox in that class just because I've used only Iceweasel and Firefox for the past 4-5 months and never cared for the windows version of Safari


I personally use both Safari and Firefox on my system. I use Firefox for day-to-day browsing and Safari for when I just want to load up a quick browser to check some site. Safari is quicker and seems to be less sluggish most of the time, and just feels more like a native process running on the system.

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What does that command do?
And yes I can see if the majority of keystrokes do not require CTRL, it being an unnatural keystroke but I don't use OS X to know that.


That command switches between tabs, depending on if you hit { or }.

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I actually prefer CTRL rather then the other keys but again this is all user preference.


That's very likely, but I've always thought that on a Mac formatted keyboard (with the placement of the CTRL key moved), it's more difficult to get to CTRL for it to be used frequently in shortcuts.

But yeah, I think overall it'll be something one would get used to.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2009 8:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have no problem avoiding my mouse entirely on windows and linux systems and this is just entirely up to the user being familiar with the controls.

In Windows , avoid on mouse is very easy and just use your keyboard or even your computer have touch-screen capability. I never even tried Linux before, no plan in using it as support is abit low but might be trying Ubuntu out. Mac OS X is way easy to use keyboard alone. Yes, its true that you need to be familiar or you would have trouble and a mouse is required.

I've rarely used OS X but what is considered the better browser on OS X, Safari or Firefox? I started using Firefox in that class just because I've used only Iceweasel and Firefox for the past 4-5 months and never cared for the windows version of Safari

Safari is a faster browser but does not include my Adblock Plus plugin that is available with Firefox. I use Safari on a daily basis unless that website has unbearable ads which i need to go back to firefox.

CTRL FOR THE WIN! Im used to Windows more than Mac OS X

It's based on user preferences.

I still support Windows especially Windows 7.
Mac OS X is mainly still for artistic people and people who wants to act cool.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firefox has been very well-done on OS X, especially in the most recent revisions; however, I still use Safari pretty much exclusively. In Windows I would probably use Firefox, though.

I keep hearing great things about Quicksilver, I will have to give it a try...
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Command button of Macs can be compared with the Amiga button on the old commodore's if you really wish to know Smile
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2009 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Livewings wrote:
Mac OS X is mainly still for artistic people and people who wants to act cool.


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