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linuxdoctor Infallible Persona

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Sat May 03, 2008 9:20 am Post subject: Gay Women Not Lesbians, Islanders say |
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This one is too funny for words, but here are some anyway.
It seems that the residents of the island of Lesvos object to the use of the word 'Lesbian' when referring to women who love other women. They say that a true Lesbian is an inhabitant of their island and not a homosexual female. So the islanders are taking a Greek "Gay and Lesbian" group to court in an attempt to stop them from using the word. For the full article see http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor.....01520.html
Lesbians (sic) have long used the island as their spiritual home in honour of a 7th century BC poetess named Sappho who wrote of the love of women by women. Lesvos has become the Mecca for lesbians (sic) especially around the village of Eressos, Sappho's birthplace.
I think this is quite funny really. I don't particularly like 'lesbians' since they essentially took over the gay rights movement in the 1980's and turned it away from it's original goals as a freedom movement aiming at ending the persecution of gays into an equality movement which asserts the insane notion that all people are created equal. I left the "gay liberation movement" in disgust asking, in effect, why should we, as gay people, be settling for mere equality when we are already superior?
I wish the island inhabitants of Lesvos luck in their court case. _________________ Misanthrope: someone who realizes that humans really are as stupid as they appear.
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Pie32 Not Banned

Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 1411 Location: Lost in 84
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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Interesting, I would have thought that inhabitants of Lesvos would be called lesosians, lesvosies, or (if they really had to drop that 's') lesvians.
I don't care if it's pronounced the same way, it's a completely different word. You can't claim that 'red' and 'read' (not read) are the same word, even though they are pronounced the same. _________________ [img]http://luneknight.com.ru/counter.jpg[/img]
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linuxdoctor Infallible Persona

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:29 pm Post subject: |
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The name of island is written as Λέσβος in greek and is transliterated into the roman alphabet as Lesbos or Lesvos. Both are used and both are acceptable. The word 'lesbian' comes from the first spelling, obviously. _________________ Misanthrope: someone who realizes that humans really are as stupid as they appear.
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mcwkm Grandmaster Poster

Joined: 30 Mar 2005 Posts: 271 Location: ct
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Posted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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lesbian
Function: noun
Date: circa 1890
: a woman who is a homosexual
from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary
Tough luck people from that island but words can have different meanings and/or sound alike, you can't change that and I highly doubt they win their court case. |
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linuxdoctor Infallible Persona

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1202 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 5:58 am Post subject: |
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Um... You seem to have misquoted the text fro Merriam-Webster.
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Main Entry: les·bi·an
Pronunciation: \ˈlez-bē-ən\
Function: adjective
Date: 1567
1 often capitalized : of or relating to Lesbos
2 [from the reputed homosexual band associated with Sappho of Lesbos] : of or relating to homosexuality between females
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Notice how the first entry, which usually denotes the most common usage of a word, does not relate to homosexual females.
As far as the court case goes, never underestimate the homophobia of the powers that be. In fact, I'm counting on it. _________________ Misanthrope: someone who realizes that humans really are as stupid as they appear.
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mcwkm Grandmaster Poster

Joined: 30 Mar 2005 Posts: 271 Location: ct
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Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 10:08 am Post subject: |
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | Um... You seem to have misquoted the text fro Merriam-Webster.
| Merriam-Webster wrote: |
Main Entry: les·bi·an
Pronunciation: \ˈlez-bē-ən\
Function: adjective
Date: 1567
1 often capitalized : of or relating to Lesbos
2 [from the reputed homosexual band associated with Sappho of Lesbos] : of or relating to homosexuality between females
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Notice how the first entry, which usually denotes the most common usage of a word, does not relate to homosexual females.
As far as the court case goes, never underestimate the homophobia of the powers that be. In fact, I'm counting on it. |
Well we are also looking at nouns not just adjectives so both are usefull. It depends on what part of speech you are using the word in for which definition to pull |
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Pie32 Not Banned

Joined: 17 Mar 2005 Posts: 1411 Location: Lost in 84
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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Miriam Webster gets owned by Dictionary.com this time around:
| Dictionary.com wrote: | Les·bi·an Audio Help /ˈlɛzbiən/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[lez-bee-uhn] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
1. of or pertaining to Lesbos.
2. (usually lowercase) of, pertaining to, or characteristic of female homosexuality.
3. (usually lowercase) erotic; sensual.
–noun
4. an inhabitant of Lesbos.
5. (usually lowercase) a female homosexual. |
For both noun and adjective they've got the Lesbos definition above the homosexual definition. I guess we'll just never have to start a sentence with 'lesbian' so that we can differentiate between the two definitions: Lesbos Lesbians will be capitalized and gay lesbians will live in the lower case. _________________ [img]http://luneknight.com.ru/counter.jpg[/img]
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mellymoo Lifeless Person

Joined: 10 Jun 2006 Posts: 554 Location: Scotland
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Posted: Wed May 21, 2008 4:02 pm Post subject: Re: Gay Women Not Lesbians, Islanders say |
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| linuxdoctor wrote: |
, why should we, as gay people, be settling for mere equality when we are already superior?
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are you serious about this? if so - could you explain why you think gay people are superior to straight people? forgive me if i've totally taken you out of context, but i can't for the life of me think of any other way to take this......
and before anyone starts - i'm not saying gay people are INFERIOR, just that i don't think they are superior - why should they be? |
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Voldemort Unhandled Exception

Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 948 Location: In a Galaxy far, far away
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 7:38 am Post subject: |
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I'm a Greek so I know from first hand..
'Lesbian' word isn't used for inhabitants of the island Lesvos that much.. In Greek, you are less likely to say "He/she is a lesbian" if they are from Lesvos, obviously, as that could be a little offending, due to it's double meaning.. You will say "He/she is an inhabitant of Lesvos".
In Greek, in order to refer to a homosexual female you stress the word in the "i", as lesbian, while in order to refer to the islanders you stress it in the "e", as lesbian, so you are less likely to confuse..  _________________ It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas
Everywhere you go;
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Confused Master Poster
Joined: 26 Nov 2005 Posts: 208 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2008 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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Haha that's great, but I can definitely see it as being offensive. _________________ Something will be here soon... |
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