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 Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing |
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WESTON, Wis. — An 11-year-old girl died after her parents prayed for healing rather than seek medical help for a treatable form of diabetes, police said Tuesday.
Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said Madeline Neumann died Sunday.
"She got sicker and sicker until she was dead," he said.
Vergin said an autopsy determined the girl died from diabetic ketoacidosis, an ailment that left her with too little insulin in her body, and she had probably been ill for about 30 days, suffering symptoms like nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness.
The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.
They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.
The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.
Telephone messages left at the Neumann home by The Associated Press were not immediately returned.
The family does not attend an organized church or participate in an organized religion, Vergin said. "They have a little Bible study of a few people."
The parents told investigators their daughter last saw a doctor when she was 3 to get some shots, Vergin said. The girl had attended public school during the first semester but didn't return for the second semester.
Officers went to the home after one of the girl's relatives in California called police to check on her, Vergin said. She was taken to a hospital where she was pronounced dead.
The relative was fearful the girl was "extremely ill, dire," Vergin said.
The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.
"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."
The girl's death remains under investigation and the findings will be forwarded to the district attorney to review for possible charges, the chief said.
The family operates a coffee shop in Weston, which is a suburb of Wausau, Vergin said.
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,341574,00.html
The story speaks for itself. People shouldn't take the bible word for word and ignore all common sense.
i think its very sad when people are brainwashed by the churches and what not and things like this happen. I think its very dangerous period.
It's one thing to believe in god and a higher power, but its another to put all faith in something like that and ignore all reason. But then the bible says to do that right?
Or you could argue that God was trying to help them by allowing us to medically heal ourselves and whatnot, which they totally ignored.
There really has to be some limit as into how far you take this stuff. But then you're in the dilemma about putting all your faith into god.
It's so sad that this girl had to suffer. I hope god was there for her at least.
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First thing to note about this news article is that the family said that they did not belong to any organised religion. They are, in essence, their own religion based on what they believed the Bible said.
This is extremely dangerous. Beginning with the Protestant revolutions and the heresies of Martin Luther who taught this stuff, there are people who believed that they had the right to interpret the Bible as they saw fit. This notion, called Private Judgment is one of the cornerstones of the Protestant religion. It is what makes Protestantism so dangerous.
The purpose of organised religion, any organised religion, is to protect the integrity of that religion and ensure that their followers remain on the right path. Christianity has the hierarchical constitution of the Church from the Pope, through the bishops and priests and other clergy, to the faithful to perform that function. For nearly two thousand years, the Catholic Church has protected the integrity of the Christian faith from the Gnostics, the Arians, the Protestants and the Modernist (now the Postmodernists) all the while making the ancient faith relevant and understandable to every generation.
Protestants, such as the unfortunately couple above, in reality have only their faith and the Bible itself says that faith alone is not enough. Even those Protestant sects who belong to some sort of organisation really have nothing since their belief system is founded on the error of Private Judgement. That is why Christ founded the Catholic Church to guide and protect the faith and the faithful knowing full well that those who follow their own counsel when interpreting the Bible will almost certainly be led astray.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 12:09 pm Post subject: Re: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing |
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| Scar wrote: | | i think its very sad when people are brainwashed by the churches and what not and things like this happen. I think its very dangerous period. |
The article mentions that the family didn't attend an organised church, so it's really (in)human stupidity that is to blame here rather than a church.
Anyway, they didn't even have to pray for God to magically cure their child, because God already had an answer to their prayers: medicine!
If you believe in God so much, why would you believe that "Divine Intervention" is the only trick he can pull off?
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Another example of religion blinding someone. Sad story.
Gods help in this sense would have been the many people that told them to take their kid in to doctors. Kinda rings true from some stories in bible.
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I agree. As a parent, you have a responsibility to care for your children. Religious beliefs are no reason to ignore sound medical research, especially when that research has produced a treatment for a condition that will lead to your child's death.
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I don't get it. A child died because her parents failed to provide medical care. How come the parents aren't arrested for neglect? What is this crazy talk about the other kids being safe at this home?
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| marinaroz wrote: | | I don't get it. A child died because her parents failed to provide medical care. How come the parents aren't arrested for neglect? What is this crazy talk about the other kids being safe at this home? |
i wonder if they could get jailed for something like that? They knowingly decided not to help their child because they wanted god to.
i guess it would be kinda hard for them to get jailed since in the USa we have some rights such as freedom of religion and such, but this kinda crossed the line with that.
It'd be tricky to try i guess, but i think it does need to be done.
This entire idea that god will magically heal you is so dangerous.
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