Global Warming - Real or Not

[dylan2xs]

What's your oppinion about global warming? there are tons of people saying humans are causing it, and tons of people saying we aren't. some people say that its "Liberal propoganda" or "scientific conspiracy" ..some seems not to be on board with the global warming thing and many people are saying it doesn't exist, this debate has been going on for some time.
But, Is the whole world really slowly warming up? is it cyclical? is there just parts of the world warming, while parts of the world cooling? I've heard all kind of answers, What I think is that global warming is real and that we all need to do our part against it ..but i wonder how much of it is natural and how much is caused by man, Are we just talking about reducing emmisions and pollutants and helping to restore the environment or are we talking about interferring with nature as in the proposed.

What are your thoughts?

[ClickFanatic]

I think global climate change is really happening. Whether it is warming or cooling, I think that depends on the region of the world you're living.
Here in the Netherlands, I can definitely notice some changes in the climate. Especially the winters aren't as cold as they used to be.
It's a fact that glaciers all around the world are melting faster than before. Melting land ice causes sea levels to rise. So yeah, this is pretty much a serious problem.
Not sure if this can be stopped, though. I think we should rather prepare for the worst.
It's never too late to cut down on emissions and fuel usage, though. Switching to more durable fuels might help avoiding a future economical crisis (because personally, I think that will happen once fossil fuels run out).
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[Necromis]

dylan2xs, your poll is inacurate and therefore I can't vote in it. The reason being is there is no doubt that the Earth is warming, and there for Global Warming is occuring. However, the debate is whether it is man made or cyclical. I will be one to agree that Democrats are using it for political advantage. Additionally some researchers are also milking it as their grants come from the same people wanting them to prove it is man made. However, there is far more scientific fact that it is not man made, but the natural eb and flow of the Earths climate.

That being said. I still think man as a whole should do more to decrease the impact we have on the environment, and as Click has indicated move away from fossil fuels.

One thing people may not realize is global warming will in turn cause another ice age. Though hopefully not for a long period of time. The movie "The Day After Tomorrow," is based on science. Though alot of scenematic license was taken. The gist is that as the Earth warms, and some of the ice caps melt it causes lest salt in the ocean. The salt levels are what cause the north/south current flows that keep most of the Atlantic Seaboard warm. When that stops an ice age will happen untill the levels even out again and have time to start the warming currents over. So again it points out a Earth Cycle.

[pharmer4]

Necromis, I agree with a lot of what you are saying there.

There definately is global warming

Global warming definately is a natural cycle

There definately are people who go overboard in the claims of what globla warming is caused by and what it will lead to.

And there definately is some human impact on it.

The human impact on global warming is probably best described as being akin to pushing a car on a slow decline. Eventually the car would get to the lowest point of the road, at a slowly but steadily increasing rate. people pushing the car has the same effect, just a little quicker.
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[ClickFanatic]

The debate about whether humans contribute to global warming is useless, because we're going to be victims anyhow.
People who benefit from the things that contribute to global warming obviously support the statement that humans don't have a big influence on the climate change. They will use it as an excuse to continue doing what they do. But like I said in my previous post, they will run into other problems if they don't look for alternatives.
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[Necromis]

Agreed Click, no matter what we need to help the environment. However, remember the adverse is also true. People benefiting from making Man the cause of Global warming will support that side too. Such as Al Gore who is part owner of a *carbon offset* company. If that isn't an oximoron.

[RohitMalhotra]

People will say what suits them but why cannot wise people look at the facts .. the wolrd infact has turned hotter and the "Man" progress has infact affected Earth in so many adverse ways .

The Glaciers mealting the risings of the seas the changed Monsoon pattern the deficiet of drinking water are a few indicaters as to how global warming affects us .

One would argue how would a few degrees of temrature increase make so much of a difference .I would tell these people that even the minutest difference in the earths balance creats catastorphic changes in our environment such as species of animals migrating or even getting extinct .the flora vanishing from the face of the earth and there after erosion of the very earth we live on .
Researchers say that if one does not take their warings about gloabal warning sooner .. Earth is heading to being a dead planet in a few thousand years and us moving to other planets as we would have exhauseted the Earths resources.

Thus Global warning does affect us massively and it is time we did something about it .Some of the measures we could take to avoid a doomsday future would be to use cleaner fues such as moving away from fossil fuels to using hydrogen as fuel or for the entirm period even Gas could be used to power or needs. Nuclear energy is another good option but the energy to tap would be that of earth itself the wind and the water .. Further planting of trees (afforestation ) and capping of the world popualtion are essential

We cannot reverse the damage allready done but we can still prevent any more from happening and in the future atleast make a better place to live in
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[drath]

I believe that Global Warming has become a religion of sorts. You either believe in it, or you don't. If you don't, you are ostracized from society. The sad part is that people will believe what ever scare tactic the news/media is telling them, and people like Al Gore is certainly not helping the matter, which reminds me:

Al Gore has an agenda, he is a politician, he is most definately bias. Why would anybody anything he says so seriously, or without checking his facts. Furthermore, Al Gore does all these speeches, all over the world, how do you think he gets from place to place? In a private jet! Not even a commercial one, HIS OWN SUPER POLLUTING JET! He should be the definition of hypocrisy.

There's a rise of people like me who:
1) Believe the climate is changing
2) Believe that it is natural and has been happening since the creation of the earths atmosphere (last ice age anybody?)

Do yourself a favor and watch some opposite-side documentarys to get some non-bias facts like BBC's The Great Global Warming Swindle.

It brings up one very interesting point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....Record.png

Take a look at this graph. The Industrial Revolution, the period of time that had the biggest recorded CO2 levels doesn't show much growth in temperature at all. Now take a look at the period after the Industrial Revolution, the temprature is growing and rising as CO2 levels are reducing!? How does this make sense with all these Global Warming theories? Anyways, I probably don't do a good job explaining it, and many many points are brought up like this in the documentary.

Also note that Carbon Dioxide Levels are exclusively linked with Global Tempature. Just take a look at this chart:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.....e-plot.svg

Does nobody see the damn pattern here? Huge cold to hot spikes all throughout earth's history! If anything this is the greatest proof of the evidence against the Global Warming theories.

I mean, this documentary is probably flawed in some way or another, but it brings up points and facts opposite to the norm which is always good to watch even if you are a believer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ng_Swindle

I should also stress that all of this media scaring going on could be a good thing: I mean, if huge companies and industries are being threatened by Global Warming, they are going to research and develop newer, more effecient ways to do their business, which will make the enviroment cleaner if anything. It also scares the individual people to be more enviromental friendly, which I guess can't hurt in the grand scheme of things. I just wish people would read a little further into things.
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[allstar]

I do not believe global warming is happening right now. I think that the media and the congressmen need a platform to scare people enough to vote for them and to follow them mindlessly.

You really should do some research on the matter and see what they were saying just 30 years ago. They said were were heading into a global cooling stages instead of warming.

Where I live is usually pretty hot. This year it has been cooler then normal. I doubt that it clicks with the scheme of things, but guess what it is cold not hot here.

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[kenoodo]

I think that the climate has become extreme. It is hotter in the summer than it was before and colder in the winter. This is the performance of climate global warming.

We are talking about the global warming, so, it is hard to tell that one place's or one area's weather is changing much. Maybe the number of the whole year's, or years', air temperature could tell us more. But not every body is good at numbers, right?

I do feel the weather is not the same as 10 years before. If we have to wait an other ten years to make sure that the warming thing is affirmative, would it be too late for us to do some thing from now?

[Necromis]

People, again I feel most of you are missing the big picture. Global Warming DOES exist. However, the issue is whether or not Man is the cause, or if it is the natural cycle to the Earth. The later is the case by 90% of all evidence. That is where the break down in communication is I feel. As shown previously the Earth has a cycle of heating and cooling.

On the topic of it feeling hotter in a large poluted city. That would be the case. It will always be hotter in a *concrete jungle.* it is called radiant heating. The concrete of the streets, sidewalks, buildings, and so forth, absorbs the suns heat and slowly bleeds it off. Where as nature actualy does not absorb it, and therefore does not radiate this same heat. Why do you think it is normally 5-8 degress colder in rual areas compaired to city areas.

Personally, I think politicans need to get off the Global Warming debate, since it is only around to make one side look bad to the other, and start concentrating on a Clean Earth objective. Because, in the end we all want a clean earth and to be on alternative fuels.

[GOOO KNIGHTS]

Global warming shouldn't be a political issue, and I think it's wrong to blame Democrats for making it one. It does seem to be a scare tactic for leftists, as terrorism and weapons of mass destruction does for the right, however, I don't think that debate should be held here in this thread, so that's all I'll say on the matter.

I do believe global warming is real, because it has been scientifically proven. There's no reason to believe it doesn't exist. Fossil fuels clearly harm the environment, and we should begin to move away from them. That's the end of it, and I'm not sure why there's even a debate over this. Probably because of oil company propaganda.

I guess what it comes down to is, as the person above me said, the debate whether global warming exists is inconsequential, what really matters is the fact that we, as in the collective world, should be doing more to make the Earth a healthier place to leave. After all, most people wouldn't smoke inside their room, I don't see how any of this is different.

[Shaggybreeks]

There are a couple of things that bug me about this topic. The first is how it's become a political issue, with Republican's saying it ain't so at first, and now acknowleging that something may be happening, but it's too early to tell, and gosh, that would mean jobs...

The second thing is how the environment is treated by the pop media as something new and exciting to be cool about, and paint your car green, and recycle all your soda pop cans so they can be made into more soda pop cans, because green is in these days. Like it's all about being cool and hip. I can't stand the way the media trivialize things that are so important. Often, this dumbdown trivialization gives other people the impression that the issue isn't important, that it's just another celebrity issue for "the liberals" to get all worked up over.

Then there are the people who say it's natural, so we shouldn't do anything. Or like the one guy who could not explain to me why (according to him) we have to find out why all the other heating and cooling cycles of the past must be understood before we can tackle this one.

Then there are the people who say that if we do anything, it will cost jobs. As if developing and deploying cleaner technologies doesn't create jobs.

It's undisputable that something is going on, and it should be obvious that all that crap we're burning isn't doing any good. Whether we can actually do anything about it is another question. I'm not sure we should even try, because I think Mother Nature is a lot better at balancing herself than we are... I think it's arrogant to think that we can improve the ecosystem on such a large scale.
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