Global Warming - Real or Not

Xtreme $niper · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 8:35 pm Post subject:

I believe that global warming is real, and is affected by both what we as humans do and by natural causes as well.

I mean without our intervention, a lot of this warming would happen regardless because there are millions of animals out there like termites and cows that expel methane gas into the air as part of their digestive system process. That has nothing to do with us.

On the other hand, I do still believe that we are definitely contributing to the speeding up of global warming... significantly.

With our obsession with gas guzzling cars and non-stop usage of paper paper paper, we're eating away at what we should be trying to save for future use. Or at least, we should develop some sort of replacement from now so that we're not royally screwed later on.
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Rashy · Lifeless Person Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 645

Either way, human ingenuity will carry us through. If it is survival of the species that you are worried about, then don't. If its the survival of the environment <i>in its current state</i> that you are worried about, then yoshou are a hippy.

The Earth has gone through some major environmental changes in the past, what with ice ages and such, that I think the environment will find a way to survive in the worst case scenario. Of course, this doesn't mean that we keep plowing straight forward, but just that we should do our best and not worry about what we can't control.
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Xtreme $niper · Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 7:39 pm Post subject:

Necromis · Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:22 am Post subject:

But the reality is that Global Warming is natural, we cannot change that w/o learning how to control the weather. What really needs to be the topic is pollution and the environment. Forget about the warming, concentrate on cleaning the air, less impact on the world and making the place cleaner. That is something that no one can disagree on regarless of their view on Global Warming.

Xtreme $niper · Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:22 pm Post subject:

Well of course pollution and the environment are important topics... But I don't see how it is different than the argument being made about global warming?

The purpose of informing people about global warming is to get them to realize that by contributing to pollution and wasting energy and resources, you are speeding up the natural process of global warming.

I don't think anyone is denying the fact that global warming has been and always will be a natural effect, but that doesn't mean that we aren't contributing to the increase of the rate in which it is occurring.

It's the little things like car pooling, turning off the water while brushing your teeth, using light dimmers in your room, turning off your computer at home or at work when you're not going to be using it for a few hours (like overnight), not leaving all the lights on when you aren't even home, and not making your house a furnace during the winter just so you can wear bathing suits around the house.

I stand at the bus terminal on my way to and from work, and what do I see every day? Endless lines of people in their cars going to work by themselves. Having that huge metal carriage carry just you to and from work or school is pointless. A lot of these people live right next to a bus stop or terminal anyways, and to top it all off, most are driving SUVs.

Granted some people need to use their cars for whatever reason, but there is still a substantial amount of people who are just too stubborn to consider their actions. And that's a shame.
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Necromis · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 7:36 am Post subject:

the problem with your logic is that man is only contributing .5% of the problem. That is like saying if I give you a penny every two years, and I keep $99.99.5 you will become rich before me. The reality is in 20 years you will have 20 cents and I will have $1,999.90. Your contribution was nothing compaired to mine. The ocean and cow farts effect the CO2 levels more than all of what man combined.

Xtreme $niper · Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2007 8:41 pm Post subject:

Well, where did you get that statistic from? .5%? I know our contribution is relatively low, but I highly doubt it is that low. Actually, I don't even doubt it. I'm absolutely sure our contribution is higher than 0.5%.
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Necromis · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 7:03 am Post subject:

It has been confirme to be .5-1% of the CO2 output. I appologize on the fact that I cannot find the original news article as this was months ago that this information was out and it has been archived. I can tell you one of the reasons why man's contribution is sometimes claimed to be higher, close to around 5.5-6%. This is when people cook the numbers by removing water vapor from the calculation. You see the majority of the greenhouse gases are in the water vapor so when you take out a large factor and make your values less you make man's piece larger.

Sort of like if you took the whole of the US out of the consumption of fossel fuels you would make the bahamas consumption much larger, piece of the pie.

spock · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 8:35 am Post subject:

Necromis · Posted: Wed Oct 24, 2007 12:27 pm Post subject:

True Spock, but it can be between the .5 and 5% depending on what data you use. Regardless of the natural occurance of Global Warming we should still be concerned about the environment and what things we can do to make it better. However, to make a scare like some people are doing is alarmist.

I mean Al Gore, read hypocrit(private jet everywhere), is more concerned about our CO2 output which by all evidence is not actually a threat, than he is about a real threat such as terrorists. This guy would be more helpful to simply drop his fake postering and put his efforts into just saying he wanted to clean up the environment. I could then at least have some respect for him.

Rashy · Lifeless Person Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 645

Forget global warming, what about nuclear war?

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/end

Even if global warming is human made, the environment will adapt, plants and animals will continue to live, and I will finally be able to wear shorts year round.

I think it is quite funny. Manny pro-global warming sites and stats I see say things like "The average temperature of the planet will increase by 2.1 degrees celcius over the next 50 years!" OMG ZOMBIES! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE WITH 2.1 EXTRA DEGREES! THE ENTIRE WORLD IS JUST GOING TO MELT!

Wow. 2.1 degrees. Not to mention this statistic is very vague. Average global temperature? Last time I checked the earth had a fairly large surface area. Why, just in my town the temperature varies by 6 degrees from the airport to the university (about 4 kilometers apart).
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linuxdoctor · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:14 am Post subject:

Necromis · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 6:43 am Post subject:

LD this still does not change one major factor regarding Global Warming. WE CAN'T STOP OR CONTROL IT. At least not at current technology levels. Sure if man ever figures out how to control the weather, solar flares, solar radiation, sun spots and the rest we can make the Earth the perfect eutopia. Until then we will have to live with the natural cycle of things, such as ice ages and hot ages(my own phrase here). After all Green Land, which is covered by ice currently, was named that because it once was GREEN and NOT FROZEN. So obviously the Earth was much much warmer than it currently is now. Man can only blame himself if he gets flooded out of certain areas because he should not be building below sea level.

linuxdoctor · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 2:03 pm Post subject:

Xtreme $niper · Posted: Thu Oct 25, 2007 4:47 pm Post subject:

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