| Global Warming - Real or Not |
| It's real and it is a serious problem |
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| Maybe / maybe not. We should wait |
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Rashy
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He is obviously an alien from some far off planet. Tom Cruise and a bunch of other scientologists swear that he is Xenu, come to try and kill humanity a second time (he sucks so bad he couldn't do it the last time with nuclear weapons and all  ).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming
It looks like in the past century temperature has raised a whole .74°C. It is projected between 1 and 6°C for the coming century.
Seriously, if our ice caps are hanging around a year-round average temperature -1 to -6°C then we would already be screwed.
| linuxdoctor wrote: | | Rashy wrote: | | Forget global warming, what about nuclear war? |
That's a good way to get rid of you humans too.
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I've seen funnier. Good effort, primitive though it was.
| Quote: | | Even if global warming is human made, the environment will adapt, plants and animals will continue to live, and I will finally be able to wear shorts year round. |
While it is true that the environment will adapt and plants and animals will continue to live, it is not certain that the current crop of plants and animals will continue live including you stupid humans.
That's neither here nor there really. New species are created and old species die out. That has been happening on this planet for billions of years before homo sapiens put in their appearance only a short while ago.
| Quote: | | I think it is quite funny. Manny pro-global warming sites and stats I see say things like "The average temperature of the planet will increase by 2.1 degrees celcius over the next 50 years!" OMG ZOMBIES! WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE WITH 2.1 EXTRA DEGREES! THE ENTIRE WORLD IS JUST GOING TO MELT! |
Not exactly. That temperature rise is very great however. If the average temperature is going to be that much greater it would be enough to melt both polar ice caps which in turn would flood the existing coast lines on all continents for several miles inland. Every major city in the world that was on or near a sea-coast would have to be evacuated.
It's already happening on a small scale now. The Northwest Passage, a stretch of coastal water in Northern Canada that joins the Atlantic Ocean with the Pacific along the coast of Northern Canada has been completely free of ice for the last two summers. This has never happened in the more than one hundred fifty years since the Passage has been navigated. There are other indications too. The average level of the Thames River in London has risen more than four inches in the last twenty years. Sea levels along the coast of the Netherlands have risen significantly just in the last decade crating much concern in a country where the majority of its land is actually below sea-level and having been reclaimed from the North Sea and protected by elaborate dikes. I can site other instannces
When the worst finally does happen, I just hope I'm around to watch the catastrophe unfold. |
Exactly why I am living at 7000 feet elevation right now  The Earth has always been changing its geological face. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missoula_Floods
People are going to have to accept that and carry on.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 26, 2007 8:04 am Post subject: |
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | My view is that you humans should continue just the way you are currently and if that means that the planet will wipe you out, so be it. Who are you to go against natural planetary processes?. |
Well, changing what we do, trying to reduce the CO2 output will just not work to prevent global warming, because it's a natural process.
I don't think the planet will wipe us out, because this cycle already occurred so much times, we wouldn't be here now if the effects would be so devastating.
If we would know for sure we caused global warming and we could change it, we should.
But because we can't do anything about it, why would we also destroy or economies for a cause we can't control?
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Xtreme $niper
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The guy in an article I just ran into through Digg ( http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/?p=396 ) says that moving to sustainable development will not prevent the most disastrous of global warming’s effects.
He's pretty much saying that we're screwed regardless of if we continue to burn fossil fuels, or if we suddenly stop. He says that stopping our usage of fossil fuels suddenly will just increase the speed of which global warming occurs.
Check the article for more specifics... But I think that at the rate that we are going, we're doing anything but "stopping abruptly". It's going to take us years and years and possibly more years before we effectively curb our usage of these fuels.. I don't particularly think we have much of a problem in that respect, thanks to the general stubborn nature of humans.
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Necromis
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Sniper, I think I know the data he is talking about. Part of the issue of us cleaning up all the smog is that it will cause more heat to get through. The smog and pollution actually deflects some of the UV rays that heat the Earth, there for when we remove all of the pollution from the air, we will get more of the Sun's heating rays and warm faster. It is one reason why scientists are looking at putting sulfur, or another gas, cannot remember which it is, into the atmosphere, it is cheap, natural, and would help to cool the Earth. Sort of like when that last large volcano erupted and we had a couple of cooler years from it. The problem is we don't know enough to make *changes* to the weather without probably f*ing things up further.
If people want to lessen man's impact on the environment they need to stop the BS of this Global Religion called Global Warming. It is a part of nature and we cannot stop it. However, as I have said we can put the energy towards cleaning up what we have caused and making the Earth a cleaner place to live. Get rid of the pollution. Tell people that, don't lie to them and scare them with theatrics and fake science like was in Gore's movie. |
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freakazoidx3
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| Necromis wrote: | dylan2xs, your poll is inacurate and therefore I can't vote in it. The reason being is there is no doubt that the Earth is warming, and there for Global Warming is occuring. However, the debate is whether it is man made or cyclical. I will be one to agree that Democrats are using it for political advantage. Additionally some researchers are also milking it as their grants come from the same people wanting them to prove it is man made. However, there is far more scientific fact that it is not man made, but the natural eb and flow of the Earths climate.
That being said. I still think man as a whole should do more to decrease the impact we have on the environment, and as Click has indicated move away from fossil fuels.
One thing people may not realize is global warming will in turn cause another ice age. Though hopefully not for a long period of time. The movie "The Day After Tomorrow," is based on science. Though alot of scenematic license was taken. The gist is that as the Earth warms, and some of the ice caps melt it causes lest salt in the ocean. The salt levels are what cause the north/south current flows that keep most of the Atlantic Seaboard warm. When that stops an ice age will happen untill the levels even out again and have time to start the warming currents over. So again it points out a Earth Cycle. |
I agree with you 100%. I started a "Save The Earth Club" at my school & only about 7 kids actually realized that its a serious problem. There are days that in winter it is hot when its not supposed to be, little signs like that should show people that there is actually something wrong & that man kind should do something about it. And that movie "The Day After Tomorrow" to me is not just acting, it could very well happen. I just don't think to that level.
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Xtreme $niper
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| Necromis wrote: | | Sniper, I think I know the data he is talking about. Part of the issue of us cleaning up all the smog is that it will cause more heat to get through. The smog and pollution actually deflects some of the UV rays that heat the Earth, there for when we remove all of the pollution from the air, we will get more of the Sun's heating rays and warm faster. It is one reason why scientists are looking at putting sulfur, or another gas, cannot remember which it is, into the atmosphere, it is cheap, natural, and would help to cool the Earth. Sort of like when that last large volcano erupted and we had a couple of cooler years from it. The problem is we don't know enough to make *changes* to the weather without probably f*ing things up further. |
That sulfur (or whatever it is) idea is interesting... but yes, as you said, it's hard to tell if it would do any good or just possibly mess everything up even further than it already is. But the point I was trying to make is that there is no way we're actually going to get rid of all this pollution so abruptly. We're already moving so slow as it is, so I can't imagine us cleaning everything up and stopping all usage of fossil fuels altogether. I can't even begin to imagine what it would be like to live in a pollution-free world (or at least, free from the pollution caused by humans) but I guess a good start would be to take a road trip outside of the city to breathe some fresh air for once.
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rahulmalhotra
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Well there are two theories to this and so are the school of thoughts.
On one hand there are people who believe that the relative rise in ambient temprature is due to the natural progression of earth in its life cycle. What I mean to say is that the earth did not have the same constant climatic conditions all this while. There were the ice ages in the past and before that the earth was nothing but a hot ball of gas. So the current change is in line with the evolutary changes of earth.
On the other hand there are those who believe that human interafce has accelerated the climatic changes affecting earth and thus there are apparent rises in sea level, sporadic storms etc etc. There is also a scientific theory with good basis that there is a huge hole in the ozone layer which is ever growing due to ozone depletion. Icecaps have shrunk and some islands have submerged. The fact is that the human being is messing around with nature and there ought to be some mismatch some where.
More than anything else, walk out in the evening sky and look up, do you see the sky clearly or is there a haze. See a stream, is it teaming with fish or frothing with pollutants. Does the breeze feel fresh as ever or is it dusty.
There is definitely change, one would be ignorant to deny the fact
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Wow, that was a pretty damn good video. I don't see a hole in that argument, but that could probably be because that's what my views were already.
I'll definitely try to spread the link around to see what others have to say. Thanks.
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Well, the person in the video gives his own opinion/conclusion. But the more important part of the video is the way he comes to that conclusion. The grid he draws is simply the most objective way to look at the issue. Whether you do or don't believe the effects are coming, the grid should help anyone to form a properly supported opinion.
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