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martinz
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Hillary or Obama or Mc Cain ? Reply with quote

Which one of them: Hillary Clinton, Obama or John McCain will be a USA president?

Obama is a Christian, 47 yrs old guy. His proposal is to withdraw US soldiers from Afghanistan. He has a commanding presence and has been compared to John F.Kennedy, who was 43 when he was elected in 1960, he actually comes cross in person as a modern-day Abraham Lincoln, which enables him to stir and rekindles the kind of idealism only the young can feel for their country's future. Barack Obama Wednesday turned to hardball tactics after Hillary Clinton's comeback wins staved off extinction for her Democratic White House bid

Hillary Clinton is a 60 yrs old senator, a former first lady. She is under pressure to wind up her campaign if she fails to break Mr. Obama's record of 11 straight wins since the Super Tuesday showdown in 22 states, which is turned out to be a draw. Recently, she regains lost ground to take a slim lead in Texas, and pulling even in Ohio.

Mc Cain is a 71 yrs old Republican guy. He seemed to support Obama's proposal of withdrawing the US soldiers from Afghanistan. President George W. Bush embraced Republican candidate John McCain.

I have a hard time deciding which one of them is a worthy candidate for US presidency.

I won't agree that Hillary will become a worthy president for US. Otherwise she should aid her husband long ago when he was a president for US.

The problem is, McCain is quite old to be a president....who knows he may kick the bucket anytime when the politics world become too stressful...and complicated, given the global warming, inflation, economy...etc more.

Obama seems a possible choice for presidency. But i don't know what kind of person he is? He seems to have a dynamic personality. I am worried that his proposal to withdraw US soldiers from Afghanistan may spark further problems in near future?

What do you guys think?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like republican or Osama...err Obama. That leaves Clinton. I'm kinda hoping she wins and repeats her husbands thing of cigars...would be hilarious.

In the end, all politicians suck. Things that they do would get an ordinary person jailed, its kind of nice seeing some politicians being held accountable. Now it would be a day in heaven if Bush would be held accountable for what he has done.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't with a straight mind ever vote for republican. I think they have really wrecked our country in the past 7 years. Look at where we're at? War that never seems to be ending and gas prices sky rocketing (i do believe bush and chaney are making money from that).

Everything is just a mess.

If i were to vote it'd be for Obama. He just seems new and fresh which is a good thing. He also seems to hvae a straight mind and good ideas of what to do.

Hillary just seems too creepy for me. She is against certain things or so she says, but then accepts money from them? Thats crazy.
just something about her doesn't seem right. It seems like it was her dream to be president from a really young age and she'll do and say whatever she can to get there. As she has been, which doesn't mean she actually wants the job to help us and change the country for the better.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You have got to be kidding. Obama is only a first year senator. He has no experience and is WAY too young to be the leader of the country. Hillary has proven she is a liar and will lie/cheat/steal to get the position. I personally could not vote for either of them. They are proven liars both. Lastly, you cannot blame everything on the republicans for what is currently going on. They didn't attack us on 9/11 terrorists did. They didn't start these wars alone, both parties voted to go to war in afganistan and Iraq. The oil prices have to do with forgein countries, again, nothing to do with republicans. Both of the democrats want to start national health care plans. I personally don't want to see that. After all look at the great way the government, as a whole, has handled our Social Security and Medicare.

The only real choice is McCain. He isn't planning on raising our taxes by cancelling the tax cuts, he is planning to cut back gov spending. Personally I like to keep my money in my wault and not support nanny government programs.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like Obama but If I could vote (I'm not American), I'd go with McCain because Republicans have better plans with Latin America. But I think what they did with the US economy was a disaster. Bill Clinton did it very well.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds really bad, but I don't really care which one of them wins. I'm not a democrat or a republican, frankly I don't like to involve myself in politics at all, and I believe both sides have good points here and there. However, no matter what happens, there will always be people who are unhappy with the presidential situation, so I just sort of go along with whatever happens.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not particularly politically-inclined, so I'm not too huge on any of them. I think that in all the lead up, with Clinton and Obama going at it before the actual election, neither of them will become president.

The battle for the candidacy (is that the right word - I mean for to be the candidate) is, I think, likely to be bigger than the election itself. I was in a conversation the other day where someone said that she thought it was great that it was either gonna be a woman or a black president. I didn't correct her, but meh Silly Granted, I am in Australia, but it shows how much coverage that it's getting over here. I don't recall anything like that for the last US presidential election.

But yeah, I think McCain will win. I think the Democrats are split between the two candidates, and I think people are only voting for them because one is black and one is a woman.
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PostPosted: Sat May 31, 2008 2:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't vote (not American) but if I could I would vote Obama. I would refuse to vote republican, so automatically it would come down to Clinton vs Obama. Unfortunately for Clinton, all she comes off as to me is an annoying woman who has nothing going for her but her ability to appeal to the woman voters, and the racist voters. Following her campaign so far has showed no true sign of her willingness to make America a better place after the fallout of the Bush Administration's legacy. All she wants is to get power.

In fact, most of her campaign sounds more like something from a republican than a democrat anyways.

For some reason Obama just comes off as the honest man who truly wants what's best for his country. I just don't get that vibe from Clinton at all. If America votes in Clinton or McCain, then they would for the third time in a row prove that they really don't care about their country.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2008 6:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is the latest state of play between Hillary Clinton and whatshisname Obama? The news has gone rather quiet this side of The Pond.

Last I knew, Obama was leading, but Hillary Clinton could still take victory, depending of a few dodgy States results.
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Necromis
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 6:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

quick update, Clinton has conceeded the nomination to Obama and rumor has it he may pick her as his running mate. Lets hope they lose because I for one don't want higher taxes and socialized health care.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perpetual wrote:
I don't like republican or Osama...err Obama. That leaves Clinton. I'm kinda hoping she wins and repeats her husbands thing of cigars...would be hilarious.

In the end, all politicians suck. Things that they do would get an ordinary person jailed, its kind of nice seeing some politicians being held accountable. Now it would be a day in heaven if Bush would be held accountable for what he has done.


I think really similar to you: all politicians suck. But we have to think one thing: the one who win will "receive" the country in an specific situation that can be good or bad, but will be consecuence of the actual government actions and the result of past governments. Remember: some actions can moddify the course that a country follows.

Any else... I don't live in USA, but your comment about cigars is... interesting? (to be honest, your comment maked me laught a lot, hehehe).

Good Luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necromis wrote:
quick update, Clinton has conceeded the nomination to Obama and rumor has it he may pick her as his running mate. Lets hope they lose because I for one don't want higher taxes and socialized health care.


What does "socialised health care" mean to you? What about "private health care?"

In the United States, 45 million citizens and residents are uninsured and those who are covered by some sort of health insurance have to meet increasingly larger and larger deductibles, that is to say a certain fixed amount of money that must be paid up-front, before the insurance companies pay anything at all. Some have said that means that everybody who has insurance is essentially uninsured from January 1 of every year until they have paid enough in medical expenses to cover the deductible. Less and less people are actually able to afford medical care in the US which is increasingly becoming the preserve of the rich.

Here in Canada we do not have "socialised medical care." We do, however, have a government mandated and administered health insurance programme and a publicly funded hospital system. This means that the while the physicians are independent contractors and the hospitals are all privately owned they bill the publicly funded health insurance system. In addition, the hospitals receive huge grants from the government to pay for equipment and other things necessary for them to operate. That is not "socialised medical care."

The problem with our health care system is that we have had a number of governments, both provincial and federal, who are ideologically opposed to any sort of government involvement in society, and who have deliberately attempted to break the system in order to be able to say, "See, the system doesn't work. We need private health care."

Public health care works. It worked here in the past and can again provided we get our governments back on board. It is they who have destroyed the system by slowly taking away essential funding, making it harder for physicians to practice medicine so that they move away, reducing the number of patients that a doctor can see to unreasonable levels, no longer paying for services that have always been paid for traditionally and then saying that private health care will fix all these problems after it is they broke the system in the first place.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necromis wrote:
quick update, Clinton has conceeded the nomination to Obama and rumor has it he may pick her as his running mate. Lets hope they lose because I for one don't want higher taxes and socialized health care.


By running mate, do you mean that she would be Vice President? If so, that would mean (in a manner of speaking) she would be First Lady again.

Do excuse the ignorance, but American politics is largely ignored by The British Media, so it gets a touch difficult to understand at times.

I also presume that "socialized healthcare" would work in a similar way to our NHS system. The NHS is basically funded by our compulsary National Insurance deductions from our wages. That said, the system is hugely underfunded here.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LD, I hate to point out when you are wrong, but it seems to be happening more lately. First and for most in the US there i sno one that cannot get medical treatment regardless of cost. Their are programs for those who are too *poor* there are also public hospitals that take indigent cases or even make payment plans. The cost of insurance is high, to some degree, but nothing as bad as you are pointing out. The deductables are not that big an issue either, at most they are normally no more than 1000 and are not going to impact you all at one time. Additionally with the insurance you are getting their cost on treatment, not the inflated price the doctor would charge an uninsured person. So that means if it was 500 at the dr, and the insurance would have only paid 175, then that is all that is out of your pocket, and now your deductable is only 825. LD you like the long waits for medical care you have up there? Why is it so many people come to the US from Canada for quicker, and better, treatment if your system is so great. You seem to have this feeling that the government is here to babysit and take care of us. That is far from the case. With that thinking why should I have to pay for car insurance, for my gas in my car, plan for my death, or even work. Just let someone else pay for it. As you have pointed out the governement does a crap job with mostly everything they touch. Why increase that control. Decrease it and let the private market do what they do best.

SE13, correct, as running mate if they were elected she would be the VP.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, my opinion matters little not being a US citizen on this, an obviously the observations in the US will be vastly different, but McCain is not even a blip of the radar.

In Australia we have seen lots and lots and lots about Obama and Clinton, very very very little about McCain.

If this is reflected in any way in the US, it has basically made Obama's campaign stronger on one side, becuase he has been so visible and people know what he's about, and have gotten used to him. On the other side, others may have got sick.

Also, obviously, there would have been a huge financial drain on Obama to keep fighting, while McCain's costs would have been relatively low.

Is this imbalance in media coverage true in the US too (a lot of my media coverage is online too, so perhaps it is).
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