| If you will die tonight were will you go in heaven or in hell? |
| heaven |
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| hell |
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8% |
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| I don't know |
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| I don't care |
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| It will be the end |
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| I will be reincarnated |
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Peanutman
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To me it all ends. According to me we are just a heap of cells that came to excist through evolution.
People try to explain feelings and such trough religion and spiritual stuff, but I think feelings like sadness are just like feelings like taste/sight caused by external reasons, and make your body react in some way.
I have never read the bible, and will propably never read it. According to me I might as well read some fairy tales.
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schudder
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Have you ever read the Bible ?? |
As a matter of fact, yes I have. I was raised Catholic - mostly under the influence of my grandmother who used to give Religious Education in elementary school. I've been going to a Catholic school all my life and I my own Bible. So don't think I haven't got a clue what the f you're talking about.
Just the fact that that's the only reply you can give me, is proof that you're naive. I say something that's true (my own teacher in religious education now, who is a devout Christian, admitted that a lot of stories are exactely that. Nothing more than a culturally bound story(!) made up to explain what they couldn't explain. That's how most of Genesis was formed, if not all of it) and all you can do is question my knowledge on the subject, you don't even bother to give any form of argumentation. You, CosminG, are the perfect example of someone who's brainwashed by religion. I give a critical comment on the Bible, so I must be wrong and totally uninformed.... C'mon, give me a break here...
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timweb
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I respect your Schudder, and it's exactly what I believe, but you have to be careful, you can't phrase it how you have but what you said isn't true. What if the stories are true, but just we seem to think they are made up? There's barely anyway of telling, and the odds are against them, but they could be true.
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schudder
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| Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| timweb wrote: | | I respect your Schudder, and it's exactly what I believe, but you have to be careful, you can't phrase it how you have but what you said isn't true. What if the stories are true, but just we seem to think they are made up? There's barely anyway of telling, and the odds are against them, but they could be true. |
Thank you.
And I know, I can be a little blunt and direct (even in real life  ) but I don't like having to pay attention to every word I say. I'd rather just say it exactely as I intend it, without too much diplomacy. I always say: as long as I get my point across, then who cares if I said something was a 100% true if there's really a 5% chance it's not true... I know it's not always a very smart way of going about things, but hey, that's the way i like to do it.
Anyway, I do believe that a lot of the stories in the Bible, especially in the Old Testament are only stories. Some were in some way based on real events (like Israelites really were at some time working in Egypt), but most of those stories are just symbolic or culturally bound. Perhaps a select few really happened - with some added symbolism of course - but I doubt it.
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CosminG
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| schudder wrote: | "It's in the Bible, so it MUST be true". Hey, newsflash, the Bible doesn't contain the exact truth, it's just a bunch of myths that were thought up at some point in time and were then passed down in generations until at some point someone said "Hey, they've been saying this for so long, it MUST be true". That's it.
I'm not denying some stories were based on real events, but a lot of it - including creation and heaven and all that - is just myth that at some point was taken as real for some obscure reason and until you can face and accept that, you're just going to be an ignorant narrow-minded idiot. And I'm not saying that just to call you names, I mean it. If you can't look past what is litteraly written... Then that's just sad. |
Well, now that I find out you have readed the Bible than prove me that "the Bible doesn't contain the exact truth". I want you to prove to me.
I know you will say I shoul prove you The Bible is True, but if you read the Bible you have your proof there. The Bible is one book written over 16 centurys by 44 people ... Those people did not write their stories, but the true. God told them what to write, so the Bible does not contradict but one prophecy made is fulfill later over the years. The hole Bible describes God's love for humans: The plan of salvation.
This is the heart of the Bible:
| Quote: | | "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. " John 3:16 |
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vibes
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I understand what you are saying, CosminG. However, I do not have similar views. To me, the Bible contains adaptations of true events, as well as fictional events. For example, the Tower of Babel story. While it is a very interesting story, it isn't true. People did not learn different languages because of God making them all of a sudden, so they can't build the Tower. People have different languages because of everyone knowing Latin, and then people in different areas creating their own adaptations of Latin. That is why English, Spanish, French, Italian, Portugese, and Dutch all use the same letters and sounds for the letters. Those languages are all adaptations of Latin, which was the Church's language used in the Bibles of those days. The Latin language was based upon the Phonecian language.
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CosminG
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| vibes wrote: | | I understand what you are saying, CosminG. However, I do not have similar views. To me, the Bible contains adaptations of true events, as well as fictional events. For example, the Tower of Babel story. While it is a very interesting story, it isn't true. People did not learn different languages because of God making them all of a sudden, so they can't build the Tower. People have different languages because of everyone knowing Latin, and then people in different areas creating their own adaptations of Latin. That is why English, Spanish, French, Italian, Portugese, and Dutch all use the same letters and sounds for the letters. Those languages are all adaptations of Latin, which was the Church's language used in the Bibles of those days. The Latin language was based upon the Phonecian language. |
Languages has developed influenced by the location and all stuff you are saying, but it all starded at Babel. There were just a few people on earth and they sticked togher so ... disobeyng God to replenish the earth. Look these days .. Everyone will know english and come to USA  well i've exaggerated, but there is the global think I mean english is becoming the international lang and the culture ... I belive Babel is not a story, but real history.
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But what is the definition of this reincarnation option? For not everyone has the same idea of what reincarnation might.
The most obvious potential difference is as follows:
Some view reincarnation as a one specific "you" that is living over and over again in different "shells", so to speak. There are many different variances within this concept... but usually these are the folks who say "i was a princess in a past life" and whatnot.
I always think it's funny that nobody ever remembers being an organ grinder, or meat slinger, or urinal cleaner or anything like that, but that's another story.
But others view reincarnation as something more abstract. And not just "fringe beliefs". Even the Jewish belief seems to lean towards this concept, with their pool of light. The more liberal Quakers (the Friends) seem to buy into this as well. This concept removes the individuality that the previously mentioned belief contains. It generally does not believe there is any one "you" that is living over and over again, but more a general energy/whathaveyou that mixes and recycles and flows over time. Some might even call it a life force or something of that nature, it would seem.
But the main difference (within the this/that, liberal/conservative, etc sort of division) is are you speaking of individualistic reincarnation or or the more abstract sort?
| LP-Nacht wrote: | I took the liberty of adding a "reincarnation" option. *votes for that one* Since my beliefs resemble those of Buddhism, that would be my path. I believe a soul must go through several (many) lives until it attains true wisdom, and is then freed from a mortal life.
However, in today's world, so many people live only for material pleasure and never try and learn anything. The arrivals hall to Nirvana must be pretty empty |
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CosminG
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Logan
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I would be in heaven, I think. I believe that you will go to heaven, but when you ultimately get bored of it you can be reincarnated.
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Nacht
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| CosminG wrote: | | I do not consider reincarnation an option. I didn't put it in the pull, LP-Nacht did. |
I did so because a lot of people around here do believe in reincarnation, so it only seemed fair
What is reincarnation...? Well, what is heaven? Everybody has their own view of that. Try Wikipeding things first ^^
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Well see me and my friend decided that if we were to die tonight (or that night when we were talking about it) That we were gonna hook up as ghosts and go haunt people for the fun of it, but we took the liberty of telling everyone we planned to haunt ahead of time so that they would know that it was just us and not to be scared.
But no really, I believe in pretty much everything seren said.
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Sclooshie
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I'm not sure; I don't know. But I hope it will be heaven.
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Neil
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| Sclooshie wrote: | | I'm not sure; I don't know. But I hope it will be heaven. |
If you believe in Jesus and follow His ways, you will go to heaven. Did the robber to Jesus' left, while on the cross, follow Jesus his whole life? Probably not. But Jesus took this man to heaven. |
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