| If you will die tonight were will you go in heaven or in hell? |
| heaven |
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31% |
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| hell |
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8% |
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| I don't know |
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19% |
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| I don't care |
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5% |
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| It will be the end |
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18% |
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| I will be reincarnated |
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15% |
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CosminG
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Maximillian
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| CosminG wrote: | Maximillian I wish you the best  |
Heh, and to you as well! I never wish to be rude, only to play the argument game as honestly as I can.
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CosminG
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Nacht
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| CosminG wrote: | | LP-Nacht wrote: | I took the liberty of adding a "reincarnation" option. *votes for that one* Since my beliefs resemble those of Buddhism, that would be my path. I believe a soul must go through several (many) lives until it attains true wisdom, and is then freed from a mortal life.
However, in today's world, so many people live only for material pleasure and never try and learn anything. The arrivals hall to Nirvana must be pretty empty |
Reincarnation is a nice concept for the people witch live their life as they like. It's like "I cand do any think I want becouse when I die I will live another life so I do what i like". I think this concept si a BIG LIE of Satan. He fools everyone he can, and this is a good line. The Bible tells us that people make religios as they like. |
You have clearly not understood the concept and purpose of reincarnation. Don't talk about something you don't comprehend. 
Reincarnation does not mean doing anything you want. Rather the opposite. The purpose of reincarnating is to attain a greater level of wisdom. It is impossible to learn everything there is to know in a mere 80 years, the average human lifespan. Therefore we go through several lives; in one life we may be a beggar and learn humility. In another we may be a warrior and learn about honour and duty. In yet another we may be a mother and learn about the importance of a home and the family. It is only in this way that we will see the many different aspects in life. The more you try to learn in one life, the quicker you are freed from the reincarnation cycle. The reincarnation theory stresses the importance of learning as much as you can from each life. Meditation helps us remember our past experiences and use them in this life to progress.
This is a Buddhist point of view on things, and the one that suits me best. There are many variations, and different beliefs. The important thing is that each person's beliefs helps them lead a better, happier life. Saying reincarnation is a lie of the Devil is Christian propaganda, in my opinion... 
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stormscape
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I know where I'm going. My eternal soul will be released from this mortal prison and cast back into the body whence it came, re-starting my reign of terror across realms and dimensions.
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Killer Instinct
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I'm a muslim, and muslims are taught to never be sure that they are going to heaven, because none of us is going to enter heaven with their good deeds in this world, only with Allah's mercy. That is because we can never repay Allah's gifts to us. Look at the gift of sight, hearing and intelligence. Those three would far outweigh any good deeds you may have done. Personally, if I die tonight, I would probably go to hell because I'm not exactly the best muslim.
About reincarnation, here is something to think about: If everybody who dies is reincarnated, and all newborns are reincarnations of a dead soul, then where do new souls come from? And how do you explain that the number of births far exceeds the number of deaths? And with all do respect, does any of you remember having a past life? Probably not, and if so, what is the point of gathering wisdom in life if you are going to forget it in your "next" life? |
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CosminG
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 3:34 am Post subject: |
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| LP-Nacht wrote: | | CosminG wrote: | | LP-Nacht wrote: | I took the liberty of adding a "reincarnation" option. *votes for that one* Since my beliefs resemble those of Buddhism, that would be my path. I believe a soul must go through several (many) lives until it attains true wisdom, and is then freed from a mortal life.
However, in today's world, so many people live only for material pleasure and never try and learn anything. The arrivals hall to Nirvana must be pretty empty |
Reincarnation is a nice concept for the people witch live their life as they like. It's like "I cand do any think I want becouse when I die I will live another life so I do what i like". I think this concept si a BIG LIE of Satan. He fools everyone he can, and this is a good line. The Bible tells us that people make religios as they like. |
You have clearly not understood the concept and purpose of reincarnation. Don't talk about something you don't comprehend.
Reincarnation does not mean doing anything you want. Rather the opposite. The purpose of reincarnating is to attain a greater level of wisdom. It is impossible to learn everything there is to know in a mere 80 years, the average human lifespan. Therefore we go through several lives; in one life we may be a beggar and learn humility. In another we may be a warrior and learn about honour and duty. In yet another we may be a mother and learn about the importance of a home and the family. It is only in this way that we will see the many different aspects in life. The more you try to learn in one life, the quicker you are freed from the reincarnation cycle. The reincarnation theory stresses the importance of learning as much as you can from each life. Meditation helps us remember our past experiences and use them in this life to progress.
This is a Buddhist point of view on things, and the one that suits me best. There are many variations, and different beliefs. The important thing is that each person's beliefs helps them lead a better, happier life. Saying reincarnation is a lie of the Devil is Christian propaganda, in my opinion... |
LP-Nacht I know the concept of reincarnation. But I was saying that reincarnation is a nice concept for the people witch live their life as they like. Becouse they can full around how much they want and the only punish they are going to get is loger stay in the cycle of reincarnatione were they do what they want, so they like it here. This is a week point. The good point of reincarnation is nice, but just too few go for that. Tell me what do you remember from your last life? How can you be sure these memoryes are not the product of your imagination? It has been proven that selfsugestion is behind reincarnation: some people under hypnosis were "remembering" from past lifes. One person was saying that he lived in Egipt in the times or Ramsess, but Ramsess was not the original name, but a name given by people later on. And other people saying thing they get ftom the TV or from books, but not allways autentics. These people sugesst themself subconscious the "other lifes" Reincarnation is not the Devil, but it is an idee served by the Devil to deceive, to make people live with the impresion that they have time and lives to live. So ... everyone is geting a concluzion look at the most people with this ideea. The majority of wich I know with this ideea does not try to live a better life, but they live as they like hurting other people for their interests. I repet I understand that budhism does not promote his way of life, but the reincarnation ideea permite it.
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Nacht
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What about the Christian idea of "God forgives our sins"? I've murdered someone, I go to Church, paf, I'm forgiven. You'll say that you need to really feel sorry and honestly promise you won't sin again, for the forgiveness to work.
Well, it's the same with reincarnation. If you choose to believe in it, you take the whole package; you play by the rules. You know that you must try to learn and make progress, because that's how it works.
And anyways, if you've been a bad person in one life, your next life probably won't be very pleasant. Because reincarnation goes hand in hand with karma
Of course some people will say "Oh, I'll have another life after this one, I can do what I want". But they have the completely wrong idea of how reincarnation works.
Similiarly, someone can go to Church, have their sins forgiven, and voilà, their conscience is clear, they can do what they want. It doesn't work like that, they haven't understood the point of forgiveness at all.
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CosminG
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 5:41 am Post subject: |
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| LP-Nacht wrote: | What about the Christian idea of "God forgives our sins"? I've murdered someone, I go to Church, paf, I'm forgiven. You'll say that you need to really feel sorry and honestly promise you won't sin again, for the forgiveness to work.
Well, it's the same with reincarnation. If you choose to believe in it, you take the whole package; you play by the rules. You know that you must try to learn and make progress, because that's how it works.
And anyways, if you've been a bad person in one life, your next life probably won't be very pleasant. Because reincarnation goes hand in hand with karma
Of course some people will say "Oh, I'll have another life after this one, I can do what I want". But they have the completely wrong idea of how reincarnation works.
Similiarly, someone can go to Church, have their sins forgiven, and voilà, their conscience is clear, they can do what they want. It doesn't work like that, they haven't understood the point of forgiveness at all. |
People wich think like that are not forgiven. God is the one wich fogive not the church or a fake sory and God knows the heart of a man.
I know abut karma, but who make it happen? I mean if you are a bad person who gives you a worst life or if you are a good person a better life? Who controls it?
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Abystar
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Nacht
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| Quote: | | I know abut karma, but who make it happen? I mean if you are a bad person who gives you a worst life or if you are a good person a better life? Who controls it? |
Karma is a natural force of justice, that makes sure the wrongdoers are eventually punished and the righteous rewarded.
Example of how it works: you steal some money, but it turns out the money is fake and you are arrested when you attempt to use it.
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seren
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Cosmig, I'd say that heaven is a nice concept for people who want to think they can do as they like and then repent on their deathbeds in order to hedge their bets. Of course, I wouldn't normally say things like that to Christians because I have better manners than that. What you said about peopel who believe in reincarnation is just as rude, in my opinion.
It is not a nice concept. One of my previous lives ended at the age of 14 with a terminal case of TB; another of my lives was spent in lonliness and depression as a Christian monk in the "dark ages". I would not say that my lives as Annie or as Mark were "nice" at all, anything but.
Now, your beliefs are yours and mine are mine. And neither of us will know if we are right until we die. As I am a lot older than you, statistically I'll be there first.  |
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RohitMalhotra
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Zoycitenega
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Truly, I don't know. No amount of thinking is going to bring me the answer a little bit sooner, so why give myself a headache? Besides, it's good to have a bit of mystery in life. It adds some flavour.
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slsc
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| LP-Nacht wrote: | | Karma is a natural force of justice, that makes sure the wrongdoers are eventually punished and the righteous rewarded. |
That resembles Christian theology, although the "natural force" is God:
| Galatians 6:7 wrote: | | Do not be deceived; God is not mocked, for you reap whatever you sow. |
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