| If you will die tonight were will you go in heaven or in hell? |
| heaven |
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31% |
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| hell |
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8% |
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| I don't know |
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19% |
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| I don't care |
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5% |
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| It will be the end |
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18% |
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| I will be reincarnated |
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15% |
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Tymotey
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If i'm going to dye tonight..I would go in heaven...I tried to live my life in that way in which every man can say that I'm a true christian and God's image is reflected through me.Even if there are ups and downs I always get on my knee, say a prayer and keep thinking how can I resolve the problem in better way...so I think this is my ticket to heaven  |
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CosminG
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Joined: 12 Sep 2004
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 8:26 am Post subject: |
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| Tymotey wrote: | | If i'm going to dye tonight..I would go in heaven...I tried to live my life in that way in which every man can say that I'm a true christian and God's image is reflected through me.Even if there are ups and downs I always get on my knee, say a prayer and keep thinking how can I resolve the problem in better way...so I think this is my ticket to heaven |
Tymotey I think with that ticket you will not go into heaven. The only ticket to heaven is paying for your sins. This means one death for every sin, but you have just one life so, how good we could all try to be we can not pay our way to heaven. But Gos loved us and He send His Son Jesus to pay for us. If we belive and accept then we can go to heaven throw the cross of Jesus Crist and if we accept Him as Savior and Lord of our lifes.
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Nowhere
Some call him satan?
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
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Location: State of Awareness
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2005 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| CosminG wrote: | | Tymotey wrote: | | If i'm going to dye tonight..I would go in heaven...I tried to live my life in that way in which every man can say that I'm a true christian and God's image is reflected through me.Even if there are ups and downs I always get on my knee, say a prayer and keep thinking how can I resolve the problem in better way...so I think this is my ticket to heaven |
Tymotey I think with that ticket you will not go into heaven. |
Goodness me... are fellow christians disagreeing?!?!?! GASP!??!
Could it be that even if you all read the same thing, what you pull from it... SUBJECTIVE?!?!? Dependant on personal perspective even??!?!?
EGADS BATMAN!!!!
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Neil
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You missed the last part of CosminG's message, Nowhere. 
He specifically told us why he thought Tymotey's present reason won't get him into heaven.
| CosminG wrote: | | Tymotey I think with that ticket you will not go into heaven. The only ticket to heaven is paying for your sins. This means one death for every sin, but you have just one life so, how good we could all try to be we can not pay our way to heaven. But Gos loved us and He send His Son Jesus to pay for us. If we belive and accept then we can go to heaven throw the cross of Jesus Crist and if we accept Him as Savior and Lord of our lifes. |
Tymotey didn't mention being saved in his message. If he's not saved, he'll go to hell.
| CaptainB wrote: | Seriously though, I'll probably end up in hell, I mean I haven't accepted Jesus the magic carpenter from outer space into my heart. I'll probably just be in the first or second circle of hell though, not in the 7th circle with the pedophiles and rapists.
Keep in mind that probably only christian musicians will get into heaven, so you'll only have christian concerts to go to for all of eternity. Meanwhile down in hell we'll have System of a Down, Offspring, Blink 182, Eminem, Everclear, Greenday, and so many others. We'll also get most of the actors. |
I couldn't give a crap about all of those guys when I've got Jesus Christ on my side. 
| oDDity wrote: | | Haha, some of these threads are genuine bible-bashing evanglistic love-ins, aren't they just? |
It seems like it.  |
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Nowhere
Some call him satan?
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| Neil wrote: | You missed the last part of CosminG's message, Nowhere.
He specifically told us why he thought Tymotey's present reason won't get him into heaven.
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No, I didn't miss it, it was simply irrelevant to my point. I wasn't arguing as to WHY they disagreed... simply that they both studied "the word of god" and came to different conclusions as to what was being said. I've no doubt they each have their own reasons for thinking what they think.
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proZeD
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| I'm trying to do good things. I don't kill people, but we all do mistakes so I don't really know. The reason is that I don't know the rules of heaven and hell. If you don't kill, doing good, nice to people you will go to heaven or not. |
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OrderComp
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Joined: 01 Jul 2005
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 6:31 am Post subject: |
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| proZeD wrote: | | I'm trying to do good things. I don't kill people, but we all do mistakes so I don't really know. The reason is that I don't know the rules of heaven and hell. If you don't kill, doing good, nice to people you will go to heaven or not. |
| CosminG wrote: | | The only ticket to heaven is paying for your sins. This means one death for every sin, but you have just one life so, how good we could all try to be we can not pay our way to heaven. But Gos loved us and He send His Son Jesus to pay for us. If we belive and accept then we can go to heaven throw the cross of Jesus Crist and if we accept Him as Savior and Lord of our lifes. |
Doing good thinks does not pay for your mistakes. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved.
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Nowhere
Some call him satan?
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| Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2005 10:59 am Post subject: |
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All these christians... reading the same thing...
coming up with different interpretations of what it says...
go figure.
| OrderComp wrote: | | proZeD wrote: | | I'm trying to do good things. I don't kill people, but we all do mistakes so I don't really know. The reason is that I don't know the rules of heaven and hell. If you don't kill, doing good, nice to people you will go to heaven or not. |
| CosminG wrote: | | The only ticket to heaven is paying for your sins. This means one death for every sin, but you have just one life so, how good we could all try to be we can not pay our way to heaven. But Gos loved us and He send His Son Jesus to pay for us. If we belive and accept then we can go to heaven throw the cross of Jesus Crist and if we accept Him as Savior and Lord of our lifes. |
Doing good thinks does not pay for your mistakes. Accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and you will be saved. |
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azurous
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Nowhere
Some call him satan?
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Depends on what belief system you use to define. Some say he's literally the same as the christian devil... others believe he's a devil of sorts, but wholly different than the christian one... still others believe he is one of many different beings of "evil" spectrum... others believe terms of good and evil are not applicable in the definitions... etc and so forth.
For that matter, same goes for beezelbub... it all depends on what belief system you use... and how literal you are in that belief system (such as whether or not you recognize lord of flies/beezelbub as even being something that exists, as many christians and those from other religions do not).
| azurous wrote: | | Isn't the lord of the flies Beezelbub, otherwise known as the devil? So what your saying is that we should accept him as the devil. |
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Neil
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Nowhere
Some call him satan?
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It's pretty self explanatory. A system one uses for belief.
Some people use a pre organized religion, some find/create/whatever their own. Some use spirituality in a myriad of different ways. Some use science. Some use other things, some use combinations of some or all... etc and so forth.
So, yeah, pretty self explanatory.
| Neil wrote: | | What are 'belief systems'? |
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Neil
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| Nowhere wrote: | It's pretty self explanatory. A system one uses for belief.
Some people use a pre organized religion, some find/create/whatever their own. Some use spirituality in a myriad of different ways. Some use science. Some use other things, some use combinations of some or all... etc and so forth.
So, yeah, pretty self explanatory.
| Neil wrote: | | What are 'belief systems'? |
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Uhh... those are typically called religions. |
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Nowhere
Some call him satan?
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| Neil wrote: | | Nowhere wrote: | It's pretty self explanatory. A system one uses for belief.
Some people use a pre organized religion, some find/create/whatever their own. Some use spirituality in a myriad of different ways. Some use science. Some use other things, some use combinations of some or all... etc and so forth.
So, yeah, pretty self explanatory.
| Neil wrote: | | What are 'belief systems'? |
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Uhh... those are typically called religions. |
Hey, I thought you were ignoring me? Hehehe
And that all depends on your perception. If you believe science is a religion, if you believe athiesm, nihilism and other belief systems are religions... then sure, I can accept that you would think a belief system is a religion.
However, I have found that typically folks do not consider it a religion unless there is a deity or some form of worship, which would not cover all the concepts I spoke of.
Since you speak so much of desiring "intelligent discussion", let's see how you respond to the following:
Religion, as defined by
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1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
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So belief/reverance for "supernatural" power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe would not cover my beliefs, athiests, nihilists, etc and so forth. Strike 1.
Personal system grounded in belief and WORSHIP. Nope, once again, no worship had by many a belief system. Strike 2.
Set of beliefs etc based on teachings of a spiritual leader. Definitely doesn't define my beliefs unless I'm a spiritual leader. Nihilists believe in no spirit, or leader. Athiests certainly don't find spirituality to be anything they buy into. Etc and so on. Strike 3.
Cause or activity pursued with zeal or devotion. Again, no devotion is had by any of the aforementioned groups or still others. As far as zeal goes...
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Zeal:
Enthusiastic devotion to a cause, ideal, or goal and tireless diligence in its furtherance.
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Personally I don't care if my beliefs are furthered beyond myself or not. Certainly I think it good that people be presented with them, and with others that are not of their belief systems... but I in no way expect them to start believing what I or someone else does... Simply that they open their minds enough to consider all the possibilities, and come to their own conclusion. Nihilists don't care enough to shoot for furtherance... etc and so forth. Strike ?4? Yeah we were nice and gave you another try.
So, although we've been generous in the allotted strikes... that's 4 and you're out.
So, using "standarly accepted definitions", I have shown you how religion is not the same as a belief system. Unless, of course, you speak from your own PERSONAL definition of what religion is... in which case, for your statement to have any validity, you must share what that is....
Of course, now you'll probably rememeber you're ignoring me right? Yeah, they usually do when they have no retort.
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Neil
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| proZeD wrote: | | I'm trying to do good things. I don't kill people, but we all do mistakes so I don't really know. The reason is that I don't know the rules of heaven and hell. If you don't kill, doing good, nice to people you will go to heaven or not. |
Read John 14:6. 
| Nowhere wrote: | | Hey, I thought you were ignoring me? Hehehe |
When you reply to a topic, there is an iframe that is called "Topic review". It is there where I am seeing your posts.
Honestly, do you think I would really block someone?
(Well, I did block you, but it doesn't make it wrong for me to reply to your posts.)
| Nowhere wrote: | | So belief/reverance for "supernatural" power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe would not cover my beliefs, athiests, nihilists, etc and so forth. Strike 1. |
I would like to hear about your beliefs. 
I guess atheism and nihilism could be considered belief systems. I would personally consider these two to be philosophical positions, because they don't really believe in a supernatural being.
You could call atheism and nihilism belief systems.
| Nowhere wrote: | | Of course, now you'll probably rememeber you're ignoring me right? Yeah, they usually do when they have no retort. Wink |
Hey, just because I added you to my ignore list doesn't mean I can't reply to your posts, does it? |
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