| If you will die tonight were will you go in heaven or in hell? |
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| hell |
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| I don't know |
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| I don't care |
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| It will be the end |
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| I will be reincarnated |
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AustinMoore
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I would go to heaven because I am a christian.
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OrderComp
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| AustinMoore wrote: | | I would go to heaven because I am a christian. |
 I am glad to hear that.
What does beeing a christian means to you?
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DreamThief
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Well, I am not planing to die tonight...  But when I die I would like the most to go to the ¨good place¨.
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clpo13
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| OrderComp wrote: | | And you can sped the eternity with God or separeted from God wich you can call spiritual death |
So you're saying I can't just pick "none of the above?" That's one big reason I split from religion. Because I don't want to believe in an afterlife, I'm automatically going to a hell I don't believe in either. Your religion isn't necessarily the ultimate truth, so don't act like it is. Maybe we'll all be reincarnated as dung beetles for discussing this topic. Who knows? I'll just stick to the beliefs I find most comforting, meaning the non-belief in any life after death.
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flaran
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| I really think that this is personal information that you would do better not to ask people; the maker of this post is obviously biased towards Christianity anyway; I will not say what my vote was although I -did- vote. |
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OrderComp
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| Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2005 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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| clpo13 wrote: | | OrderComp wrote: | | And you can sped the eternity with God or separeted from God wich you can call spiritual death |
So you're saying I can't just pick "none of the above?" That's one big reason I split from religion. Because I don't want to believe in an afterlife, I'm automatically going to a hell I don't believe in either. Your religion isn't necessarily the ultimate truth, so don't act like it is. Maybe we'll all be reincarnated as dung beetles for discussing this topic. Who knows? I'll just stick to the beliefs I find most comforting, meaning the non-belief in any life after death. |
You can belive what you think is the true, but the true is the true no matter that I or you belive it. I belive the Bible and that afther you die comes the judgement. If your name is in the book of life you go to Heaven if not you go to hell. Heaven means an eternity with God in joy, hell an eternity separetead from God in pain. I see this matter as very important not as dung. It is a matter of life or death. 
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Metatron
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| It's great to see so many Catholics who say "I'm going to Heaven"...last I recall, your branch of religion supports reincarnation. |
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Carl Unger
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| Quote: | | hell an eternity separetead from God in pain. |
You might not care but
In verses that speak of eternal punish this greek the words aiwnion/eonian/aionion is used.
now, "aiwnwn" is the plural form of "aiwn" and should be "eons" or "ages."
| Quote: | 1 Corinthians 10:11: Now, all these things happened to them as types; and are written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages are come. (LO)
1 Corinthians 10:11: Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come. (WEB)
1 Corinthians 10:11: All this kept happening to them with a figurative meaning; but it was put on record by way of admonition to us upon whom the ends of the Ages have come. (Weymouth)
1 Corinthians 10:11: And all these things as types did happen to those persons, and they were written for our admonition, to whom the end of the ages did come, (YLT)
1Corinthians 10:11: Now all this befalls them typically. Yet it was written for our admonition, to whom the consummations of the eons have attained (Concordant Literal) |
So we see that eons come to an end.
So these examples we see that eons/ages come to an end and so does punishment.
If most of mankind will remain in an eternal state of torment and pain with no chance to escape, how are we suppose to understand the fact that Jesus destroyed death and him that had the power of death (Satan)?
(Hebrews 2:14-15, 1 John 3:8, Hosea 13:14, 1 Corinthians 15:55, 1 Corinthians 15:26 etc.) |
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OrderComp
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| Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2005 4:50 am Post subject: |
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| Metatron wrote: | | It's great to see so many Catholics who say "I'm going to Heaven"...last I recall, your branch of religion supports reincarnation. |
How's branch of religion?
| Carl Unger wrote: | | Quote: | | hell an eternity separetead from God in pain. |
You might not care but
In verses that speak of eternal punish this greek the words aiwnion/eonian/aionion is used.
now, "aiwnwn" is the plural form of "aiwn" and should be "eons" or "ages."
| Quote: | 1 Corinthians 10:11: Now, all these things happened to them as types; and are written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages are come. (LO)
1 Corinthians 10:11: Now all these things happened to them by way of example, and they were written for our admonition, on whom the ends of the ages have come. (WEB)
1 Corinthians 10:11: All this kept happening to them with a figurative meaning; but it was put on record by way of admonition to us upon whom the ends of the Ages have come. (Weymouth)
1 Corinthians 10:11: And all these things as types did happen to those persons, and they were written for our admonition, to whom the end of the ages did come, (YLT)
1Corinthians 10:11: Now all this befalls them typically. Yet it was written for our admonition, to whom the consummations of the eons have attained (Concordant Literal) |
So we see that eons come to an end.
So these examples we see that eons/ages come to an end and so does punishment.
If most of mankind will remain in an eternal state of torment and pain with no chance to escape, how are we suppose to understand the fact that Jesus destroyed death and him that had the power of death (Satan)?
(Hebrews 2:14-15, 1 John 3:8, Hosea 13:14, 1 Corinthians 15:55, 1 Corinthians 15:26 etc.) |
1Corinthians 10:11 it refears to the end of this world and it is not refereing to the eternity.
| Quote: | | Hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; 15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. |
This text it also refers to people living on this earth, this life. They can be save.
Always look in the context.
See another text:
| Luke 16 wrote: | | " 19 "There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: " 20 "And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, " 21 "And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. " 22 "And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; " 23 "And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. " 24 "And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. " 25 "But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. " 26 "And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. " 27 "Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: " 28 "For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. " 29 "Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. " 30 "And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. " 31 "And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead." |
See verse 26 it is clear. | Quote: | | they which would pass from hence to you cannot |
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Carl Unger
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lol, you make it sound like I've never heard about the Rich Man & Lazarus, but parables aren't to be taken literally. http://www.tentmaker.org/artic.....byHuie.htm
| Quote: | | 1Corinthians 10:11 it refears to the end of this world and it is not refereing to the eternity. |
The point I was trying to make was that Ages come to an end. |
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OrderComp
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| Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2005 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| Carl Unger wrote: | lol, you make it sound like I've never heard about the Rich Man & Lazarus, but parables aren't to be taken literally. http://www.tentmaker.org/artic.....byHuie.htm
| Quote: | | 1Corinthians 10:11 it refears to the end of this world and it is not refereing to the eternity. |
The point I was trying to make was that Ages come to an end. |
Ages for this earth, but parables always show a truth. The true here is that nobody from hell can not pass into heaven and nobody from heaven can not do to hell.
All you can do to determine you eternety in hell or heaven you can do on earth.
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Carl Unger
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| Quote: | | Ages for this earth |
Any proof here?
the point still remains that ages end.
so from 1 Corinthians 10:11 and Hebrews 9:26
we find that eons/ages end, it would also mean the same for punishment.
I need some more material here to work with in support of eternal punishment. |
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ruther
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| Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:41 am Post subject: Where will I go when I die? |
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Hmmm.... I don't know where will I be going when I die, but surely not in *Purgatory
note: purgatory is not existing in the Holy Bible. It was just a practical joke made by a Pope to create the Cult of Indulgence where everyone were made to believed that their sins can be forgiven by donating money to the church. |
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Carl Unger
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Actually Purgatory was believed by many Jews before (check the Jewish Encyclopedia)
now because Christianity is branched of Judaism it can't be 100% ruled out.
but chastening for purification of the soul before entry into heaven can be located in the bible. |
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creator
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I'll be back!
Yeah, I guess i'll reincarnate, and then I will eliminate all my current enemies, who expects a baby to be a serial killer?
Honestly, I think that people invented afterlives and other fancy stuff so that the dead wouldn't be final. It should help them to reduce their fear. But if I just think logically about it, I think that our dead is the end. Although I've heard something that if you die you'll lose 21 grams, and scientists have investigated this and confirmed it, but don't know what this is. There's also a movie about it, http://www.21-grams.com/index.php, I think I'll check it out. |
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