If you will die tonight were will you go?

clpo13 · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:45 pm Post subject:

Look, if I said I didn't care, I meant I didn't care. It wasn't a subtle plea for someone to come preach to me. I don't believe in hell, therefore why should I be afraid of it? Hell is a contradiction to everything I know about God. Everyone has a chance for redemption...but we're going to throw you in this rather large pit of fire and brimstone because you're a freethinker. If only you had conformed to this strict set of beliefs created hundreds of years ago by men...

It just doesn't fit. As for why not everyone believes it, would you believe that not everyone takes the Bible as the literal word of God? I don't. It was written by men, for men. Divine intervention was not part of it. If God really had worked through the men who allegedly wrote the Bible, why is it so contradictory? It can be harsh...and then suddenly over-compassionate. Certain parts claim that faith is all that one needs to be saved. Others tell you that you also need works. Things like divorce are condemned in some sections, and then allowed in special cases. Did God lose his notes somewhere along the line?

As far as I can tell from my studies, Christianity has nothing going for it that makes it any more "true" or "right" than, say, Islam. Indeed, I was raised Christian, but I have since discovered that I don't believe half of what Christianity preaches. Does that automatically mean I'm going to hell? Well, if I converted to Islam, I'd be near-guaranteed a spot in Paradise for converting from a religion with an incomplete covenant to the full and true religion of Islam (that is, according to Islam). Looks like Islam is just as good as Christianity in the afterlife department. Or how about Buddhism or Hinduism? Reincarnation sounds like a nice deal, too.

You've got to look at the situation objectively. Each and every religion on Earth claims that it is right. Which one really is? Is there even a right religion? Who could possibly know? Certainly not you or I. So I suppose we'll find out when we die. I'm comfortable enough in my beliefs to know I'm not going to be punished for eternity simply because I didn't choose the "right" religion. Being a good person is infinitely more important than worshipping the right god.
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CosminG · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject:

I respect you free thinking, but you are wrong. Beeing a nice person is nothink compared to worshiping the right God, the only God. You see there is only One God so wich relion show you the path to this God?

To start with the begining. God created us humans and all the univers that sorround us. He created us to be in fellowship with Him, but God respect us, He created us as persons to think to take decisions, so to respect our decision if we want the fellowship with Him or not God gave Adam and Eve the right to choose. But with the right to choose comes responsability: if they choose to live in fellowship with God than they had a blessed life, but If they choose to disobey God, god told them that they will die. This death was not only a death to their bodys (becouse they did not die right away - I talk about their human body), but they die right away in their spirit: a spiritual death. If psihical death means spirit separated from body, spiritual death means man separated from God. And so human were deah spiritual - separeted from God. We all are born since Cain dead in the spirit and we all need to be born again. You see heaven and hell are allready began in a way becouse hevean will be an eternity with God and hell will be an eternity without God. Their is NO other way. Of course Satan will try to decive everyone giving us fake info as he gave in Eden. God gave you mind to think, but why not take the good info? Read the Bible. The Bible is the true and the true will set you free. I know maby you do not belive that Bible is the true, but just read it to see for yourself.

There are so many religions ... well Islan say in their Holly Book if you do not understand somethink to check the Bible, and most of the religions say that cristianity is a good think, but that is not all. Think about all thouse wich has made a religions are now dead only Jesus is alive becouse He is the only Son of God.

You were saing hell does not fit. My friend God made hell for Satan and his angels, but God is right and the law of God say the pay for sin is death, so everyone of us deserve death and hell. God is a right God, but we love us so much that He send His only Son to die insted of us, to pay for our sins. You just have to belive this and Accept Jesus as your Lord and you Savior and you will be saved. Becouse He paid for You.

Let me tell you a story. A boy has made a boat. One day he went with his boat on the lake, but a storng wind took the boat and the boy couldn't see it anymore. Sad he went home. One day while he was walking throw his villlage he so a boat in a store, he looked closer and : hey that's my boat. He get inside and talk to the salesman to give him his boat, but the answer was to pay for it and it will be his. The boy went home and he took all the money he has and come to buy the boat. He get out from the store happy with his boat in his hands saying: You are mine twice, first I made you and then I buy you!
It is the same with God. He made us, but He had to pay for our sins to have us back. He loves us so much when we do not deserve becouse we all turned our back on Him and do not listen to Him. Let God talk to you ... read the Bible.

Sorry for my bad English.
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clpo13 · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:50 pm Post subject:

I'm wrong. Well, that's nice to know. What if I were to tell you that your beliefs and opinions were wrong? You wouldn't be so happy, would you? Probably offended, even. Just as I am.

Probably the biggest thing I find wrong with Christianity (and any religion, actually) is the apparent need to be saved. Why? Why do I need to be saved? I've yet to come across anyone who can adequately answer that question. I don't want to be saved. I don't want heaven, and I certainly I don't want eternal life. And I don't want to be punished for thinking that. It's a bit hypocritical to give a man the freedom to choose, and then tell him that only one choice is right.

Words can't really express my thoughts on this matter. You'd have to think like me to understand.
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CosminG · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:59 pm Post subject:

If you read my previous post I was sayng that all of us commited sin and the pay for sin is dead. We all will have an eternity but in hell or in heaven you choose it. If you haven't read the previous post please read it. I explined there.
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Swordude · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:15 pm Post subject:

clpo13 · Posted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 11:57 pm Post subject:

I think 80 or 90 years on Earth is long enough. Either death or reincarnation would be preferable. If I'm reincarnated, I'll have another lifetime to accomplish things. If not, it's all in this life.

Cosmin, that really doesn't explain why we need to pay for our sins. What if it doesn't matter that we've sinned? Your explanation, and the explanation of all religions, is rather lacking.
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bradbaby · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:17 am Post subject:

I'm pretty sure when I die, that will be it.
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CosminG · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:30 am Post subject:

clpo13 · Posted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:33 pm Post subject:

CosminG · Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 3:04 am Post subject:

Have you read all the Bible or just parts? Becouse The Bible is all one book and you may understand better only when you read it all and in some cases more than one time.
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clpo13 · Posted: Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:11 pm Post subject:

I've read nearly everything. I've been raised as a Lutheran my whole life: I've been taught everything the average Christian needs to know. I learned everything else in a comparative religions class in high school, which is why I've begun to doubt what I've been fed.
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CosminG · Posted: Thu Mar 30, 2006 2:12 am Post subject:

Well I am not sure with what have you been fed, but ... I will tell you a little about me.

I was born in a cristian family and my parents went to church with me since I was a little boy. When I had 7 months my parents died. When I grow up and realize that I do not have parents I was very angrey and sad. I used to cry a lot and thik that there is no porpuse for me in life. Thouse day I was thinking that it would be better for my parents to die early so I couldn't be born, but than I understud from the Bible that God created me with a plan, a very special plan. God want to be my father and guide me and love me. So, I accepted God as my father accepting His gift for my: Jesus. My life has completly change since than. Of course I do mistakes and there are moments I am sad, but the joy of the Lord is allways in my heart and allways I have the power to get up and continue. Very Happy

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iain · Experienced Poster Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 51

The spirit world, by Mormon belief, is a waiting room where everyone waits for the day of judgement. Before that, Christ will reign on Earth for one thousand years. Then, God shall cleanse the Earth with fire, and judge all mankind. Men shall go to either the Celestial Kingdom, where they can dwell with God, the Terrestrial Kingdom, or the lowest kingdom of Heaven, the Telestial Kingdom. A few people (few enough to count on one hand) shall he cast into outer darkness, i.e. Hell.

Only Mormons will enter into the Celestial Kingdom, and then only those who follow the commandments. This may seem unfair, but everyone will recieve a chance (either on Earth or in the spirit world) to convert to the church before the day of judgement.
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CosminG · Posted: Mon May 01, 2006 6:07 am Post subject:

What does means to be a Mormon?

I belive that everyone who accepted Jesus as Lord and Saviour will go to heaven. All all people that do not accept Jesus will go to hell, not only a few, because the pay for sin is death and we all deserve hell but God loves us and He send His only Son Jesus to pay for our sins, so if we accept Jesus we do not need to go to hell. We are forgiven.
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iain · Experienced Poster Joined: 14 Jan 2006 Posts: 51

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