| If you will die tonight were will you go in heaven or in hell? |
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| hell |
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8% |
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| I don't know |
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19% |
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| I don't care |
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5% |
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| It will be the end |
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18% |
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| I will be reincarnated |
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Xtreme
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What exactly are heaven and hell according to Mormon beliefs?
[EDIT] Well sorry, that's a bit picky... not "exactly" necessarily, but what do Mormons believe on the topic? |
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iain
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| Xtreme wrote: | What exactly are heaven and hell according to Mormon beliefs?
[EDIT] Well sorry, that's a bit picky... not "exactly" necessarily, but what do Mormons believe on the topic? |
One Mormon (I believe) put up this helpful chart.
The Church's site for investigators, Mormon.org, says:
| Mormon.org wrote: | Heaven is the place where God lives and the future home of those who follow Him. The hope of our Heavenly Father and the goal of each person on this earth is to return to live with Him. This means that the opportunity to return to our Heavenly Father has been provided through the grace of our Savior, Jesus Christ.
After we are resurrected we will be judged and rewarded for the things we have done in this life.
Jesus Christ taught His Apostles that in His Father’s house are “many mansions” (John 14:2). Our loving Heavenly Father is anxious to reward all of His children according to their obedience to His commandments and their willingness to follow the Savior.
Those who do these things and are worthy to return to the presence of God and Christ become “heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ” (Romans 8:17) of all that the Father has. They will return to live with Heavenly Father and with their families in His eternal glory.
Those who choose not to follow our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ will receive a reward according to what they have done in this life, but they will not enjoy the glory of living in the presence of God. |
Hereafter follow my own words, which may be incorrect, but I believe they are not.
Heaven is divided into three "glories," the Celestial, to which only fully righteous Saints (that is, members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints) will go, the Terrestrial, to which good people who are either not Saints or are not fully righteous Saints will go, and the Telestial, to which all others will go.
A very few (few enough to count on one hand) will go to outer darkness, or hell, where Satan and his minions dwell.
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DragonAngel
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I don't care
May be I will go to my girlfriend's house. 
If I will die tonight, there is nothing important to care ! Just close my eyes, and sleep ! A long sleep !
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Xtreme
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Hm, well, interesting, in a way, I suppose... Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no desire to become affiliated at all with the Mormons; my curiosity is essentially academic. The thing is, most of their beliefs (that is, the ones that contradict the beliefs of most Christian denominations) appear to be utterly arbitrary with no basis in legitimate scripture. In fact, they have no means of determining what "legitimate" or "inspired" scripture is in the first place, so I don't really know where these beliefs come from.
For example, the "three glories" is, to my knowledge, totally unscriptural and untraditional. In other words, utterly arbitrary.
And I think I've heard of a belief that Jesus is actually the incarnation of St. Michael the Archangel? What's that about? I've actually read (by chance, not while studying this) the passage that is allegedly support for this and it seems to have no suggestion (in context) of anything like this.
It seems that some of these beliefs are rooted in an insistance that scripture is completely literal, a claim that is impossible to support.
| Quote: | | I do what feels right for me. I don't lie (well, not that much), cheat, steal, or murder. Yet I am not a Christian. You may claim that you need more than that, but I fail to see anything better than simply being a good person. |
Indeed, a "good person?" What, then, do you use to determine what a "good person" is? If you answer that you just "feel" it, don't you think it's a bit odd that almost all people and nations have generally accepted certain basic ideas about what a "good person" is? It's pretty much never been acceptable in any culture to swindle people or to steal from your friends or to hurt others without good reason.
To be straightforward, I am at this point suggesting, basically, a transcendent moral knowledge, a Natural Law written on our hearts that implies a similar purpose of all people. Take that for what it's worth, I'm rambling as usual. |
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iain
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| Xtreme wrote: | Hm, well, interesting, in a way, I suppose... Don't get me wrong, I have absolutely no desire to become affiliated at all with the Mormons; my curiosity is essentially academic. The thing is, most of their beliefs (that is, the ones that contradict the beliefs of most Christian denominations) appear to be utterly arbitrary with no basis in legitimate scripture. In fact, they have no means of determining what "legitimate" or "inspired" scripture is in the first place, so I don't really know where these beliefs come from.
For example, the "three glories" is, to my knowledge, totally unscriptural and untraditional. In other words, utterly arbitrary. |
Mormons believe several things in addition to other Christian sects:
- Modern revelation and prophets exist—so many Mormon beliefs are modern revelations from God.
- The Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ written by Jews who travelled to the Americas to escape the then-wicked state of Jerusalem (about 600 BC).
- The Pearl of Great Price is a record written by Moses and Abraham on Papyrus scrolls the church obtained from someone who found them on an archaelogical dig.
| Xtreme wrote: | | And I think I've heard of a belief that Jesus is actually the incarnation of St. Michael the Archangel? What's that about? I've actually read (by chance, not while studying this) the passage that is allegedly support for this and it seems to have no suggestion (in context) of anything like this. |
This is not a Mormon belief, but according to Wikipedia, Jehovah's Witnesses and a very few Baptists believe it.
| Xtreme wrote: | | It seems that some of these beliefs are rooted in an insistance that scripture is completely literal, a claim that is impossible to support. |
On the contrary, Mormons do not believe the literal Bible as set forth in the King James Version. They believe that people who wanted to shape Christianity to their prefered religion have purposefully altered the Bible through the centuries, introducing inaccuracies. Because of this, they believe God has revealed corrections in modern times. Because He revealed them to the prophet Joseph Smith, Mormons call this the Joseph Smith Translation. However, the Church seems a bit vague on some issues, so I am not sure how literally it interprets, exempli gratia, the creation story. I do know that the Church does not believe in evolution.
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Mormons are not Christians in the eyes of most demoninations. They don't baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, if I'm correct.
I don't know; that's enough on the topic for me, though, I'm not THAT interested. |
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iain
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| Xtreme wrote: | Mormons are not Christians in the eyes of most demoninations. They don't baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, if I'm correct.
I don't know; that's enough on the topic for me, though, I'm not THAT interested. |
I've heard before that some Christians do not believe Mormons to be Christian, but I have yet to hear why. A Christian is:
| The American Heritage Dictionary wrote: | - One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
- One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.
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Mormons will tell you that they follow the teachings of Jesus and other sects don't.
Other sects will tell you that they follow the teachings of Jesus and Mormons don't.
As for Mormons not baptizing in the name of the Godhead, that is false.
| Joseph Smith, in The Doctrine and Covenants §20:73 wrote: | | The person who is called of God and has authority from Jesus Christ to baptize, shall go down into the water with the person who has presented himself or herself for baptism, and shall say, calling him or her by name: Having been commissioned of Jesus Christ, I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen. |
That's from a book where God instructs church leaders through revelation how to run the church.
If you have heard any more rumors about Mormons, feel free to ask me to verify them.
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| I am all full of sins. As you may have already known A woman who betraded his husband had to be punished by killing her with stones. And then Jesus said "Who is sinless should be the first one who throws the stone!". And this way he saved that woman. No one can be taht pure. So I can't say that I will go in heaven or hell. You know that the one who was giving goods to poor and was so sure of going in heaven but he didn't. And the other man who was aware of his sins went in heaven. So the God decides where I go. I just have to be a good boy and follow his rules. |
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| Death isn't an end by a transition. If I die tommorow I've no fear because I know the spirit carries on. |
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This is reaincarnation. People who think that after death they will reborn in a creature or another human are just afrraid of death. After you die the angels will take your soul and bring it in front of the God. Then you have to answer for you sins. Here's where the way splits in two. The infern. And the heaven.
But hey if you really know you will die tonight then you have one day to correct yourself. I would just help others with all I can and apologyse to those I created problems. But you can make the Christmass pig fat in one day. 
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That is not true. If you are one day a good man will not get you into heaven. If you are a good man all your life and you do just one sin you still go to hell. The pay for sin is death and we all have only one life to pay with. But God so loved us that He provided a solution. Jesus - God the son - He with no sins come and died for our sins instead of us. This way our sins can be forgiven if we belive that and accept Jesus as our Lord and Saviour. Jesus as Saviour will forgive our sins and give us the opportunity to live forever in God's presence and in fellowship with God and as Lord will rule our lives so we should live it the best way.
The question is for everyone: are you ready to meet your Creator? Will you meet Him as your Lord and Savior or as your Judge? Because the statistics say that a man or a woman, a girl or a boy, a young one or a old one dies every 16 seconds.
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It doesn't matter. Such questions are inconsequential and beyond the reasoning of man anyway. You're wasting your time asking the question, and hindering civilisation from making any useful progress. Such seems to be a habit of religion.
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