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| I will be reincarnated |
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Vipralion
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No, no, no! That isn't the point Xtreme was trying to make. He was trying to say that by attempting to learn something on your own and making all your decisions on what to believe without anyone else telling you any sort of religion is like trying to learn calculus without a teacher or a textbook. It's just not possible.
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| Quote: | | Belief is something that in my opinion every person should develop himslef without any teaching/preachings from the outside world. |
How can you make up your opinion if you know nothing which to opine upon? Just like, how can you learn calculus if you don't know what it is or if you have no one to teach you.
Your beliefs and knowledge come from somewhere and it is these beliefs and bits of knowledge, along with your built-up personality, which you use to determine what you belief (either want to, could, or whole-heartedly without a doubt).
Where will I go if I die tonight? I will most likely go to a morgue then into the ground inside a box.
It's rather arrogant of any human to believe that they will "live on" after their physical bodies have died out when a creature as small as a fly does not. To cast down others who do not believe what you belief.
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Friode
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No it's you and Xtreme who don't understand, what Xtreme is talking about is totally different, he sias it's "helping someone into a religion", but what I say is that it's more like pushing your beliefs onto that person.
I never said you shouldn't know anything, in my opinion before you make up your mind based on what you believe you should check out all sorts of religions and maybe find one that totally agrees with your beliefs and isn't forced upon as upon a child born into a christian family.
For example before making up my mind I had experiences with christianity, atheism, muslem(ism?), te jewish religion, the budhists and last but not least the ancient greeks although that's more like mythology...
See what I believe in is pieces of different religions, from christianity I take that you should be a kind person, from the muslem religion I take the fact that alcohol is bad for you but i do not think it should nbe forbidden, from the jews i tak my belief in respecting other people and not giving in to them, from the budhists i also probably took something but these are all just examples, my beliefs were formed not out of these religions, they are just similar to each of them but also different from each of them.
Nice idea with the morgue and then the sarcofagus, we were so into spiritual talk that we forgot about the physical part.
Vipralion what religion do you believe in? And what do you mean by "live on" is heaven considered as "to live on" becasue technicaly you're stiill dead.
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Xtreme
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| Quote: | | what Xtreme is talking about is totally different, he sias it's "helping someone into a religion", but what I say is that it's more like pushing your beliefs onto that person. |
How is it possible to push one's belief's onto another person? I desire to do no such thing, because the faith that I know demands free will and free choice, so it is quite simply impossible to "force" beliefs on someone. I will defend my faith and profess it forever, but there is no point at which I will try to push them on someone who simply isn't willing to listen. If I see that in a person, I pretty much realize there's nothing I can personally do on my own to help them out.
| Quote: | | I never said you shouldn't know anything, in my opinion before you make up your mind based on what you believe you should check out all sorts of religions and maybe find one that totally agrees with your beliefs and isn't forced upon as upon a child born into a christian family. |
Fair enough, but what you said was that a person should come to their beliefs and faith completely without external influence. I compared that to learning calculus on your own without anyone ever hinting at multiplication tables to help you along.
| Quote: | See what I believe in is pieces of different religions, from christianity I take that you should be a kind person, from the muslem religion I take the fact that alcohol is bad for you but i do not think it should nbe forbidden, from the jews i tak my belief in respecting other people and not giving in to them, from the budhists i also probably took something but these are all just examples, my beliefs were formed not out of these religions, they are just similar to each of them but also different from each of them.
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There is a logical contradiction in this lifestyle, though. How can you claim that "pieces" of different religions are all correct while the basis upon which those beliefs are theologically founded are in stark contrast to one another?
Also, all of the "beliefs" you stated there are essentially Christian in nature.
| Quote: | | I won't murder someone out of my own morals not becasue the bible sais so |
This is yet again a point which many people overlook about Christianity. The "moral system" is not simply based off of the Bible. Christians believe that a large majority of human morals are written on our hearts. The Bible simply enumerates, details, and expounds on these morals.
| Quote: | | Most people when asked why they believe in their religon will say that it's because that's how thew were taught and brought up by their parents. |
This is why most people can't really defend their beliefs and why most people probably don't practice them as they should. Personally, yes, I have academically and otherwise been exposed to other beliefs. It's not like I've lived some sheltered life and haven't ever, in the past, thoughroughly considered that I might be wrong. |
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Smoke Da Smoove One
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See If i die tonight....Whether from a disease or from a bullet I wouldn't be mad, I lived my life to the fullest
See if I died tonight I'd be in heaven with the folk that raised me Grandma, Jimmy, Great Grandpa Ash 'Least I'd be around some people that's just like me
Naw I ain't act religious but God know me to be spiritual If I died tonight, wouldn't feel like it's wrong
I ain't expect to be here this long They told me before I get 21 that they would have my
grave handy,guess what i only got seven month till i turn 21 and i been shopping for my coffin tat the funeral parlor now i aint found it yet oh God don't let me burn, i aint no screaming Usher fan.
But if I died tonight then what would it mean? Already feel like I'm livin my dream
Came across some pretty interesting folk I met some new people
Ain't move alot of them, but touched a few people
So Yes I might get frustrated livin in the hood But everyday above ground is a good one
So i'l walk out the door and leave it in God's handsIf I go it's just part of God's plan
If I died tomorrow Will life carry on out the same ?
I wish at least i get my little man to carry out the family name
Yo if I died tonight My homeboys,tomorrow,Throw a little liquor in the sky
I'm good here don't ask God why, don't cry I did everything I wanted, left nothin unturned
Roll sumtin, light it, let it burn If I died tonight...
Naw I don't wanna die tonight.. said I DON'T WANNA
DIE TONIGHT
but i keep hearing death knocking at the front door... I'm under 21 but been in ICU six times already...
5 times more that some of my niggaz i grew up with most of which aint here no more to see a brother rise up out from the hood
Seeman i Dont wanna die...Said I DONT WANNA DIE
Well just in case, remember my ways, remember my face For all that remember my place
I love me Best thing about dying tonight I won't see anybody else I love leave
So if the Lord take me, don't re-incarnate me I don't wanna come back, and please DON'T MAKE ME
Don't cry for me my peeps, just wave goodbye
The world is like jail, I won't miss a thing I'm feelin pretty wise And death in I can take off this disguise I wear
When it come just let it be a surprise I'd rather it came quickly
I may not be remembered as the best, that's cool, long as y'all don't forget me
I don't wanna live to be 80, Life's a cycle, The older you get, more you live like a baby
You could barely move, folk gotta be there for you, Diapers on, niggaz gotta take care of you
Learn **** all over again, Skin wrinkled, ya memory gone, and you a memory gone
I mean back in the days I felt so ugly, I can't say why, bitches always dug me
A broke-out nigga, yet always kept a fresh line, Guess My feelings like wine, just got better with time
So if I die tonight, and y'all choose to ignore him, Just say he repped Da' like nobody before him
Look, I can say I lived my life without stress, If I died tonight, I'm fine, I been blessed, Yes!
If I died tonight, I'm fine, I been blessed, Yes!
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wahedmenelnas
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i'm muslim and i dont know
we r not like christians in this
we have sins and good things
if sins r more
then its hell
and if good things is more
then its heaven
i make sins
and i make good things
but i dont know what is more
no one knows
and we have a nother factor called intent
u may do good thing and people may thank u
but u may do that for abad perpose
so god knows
and it will not be agood thing
so i dont know
and no muslim can say that he will get in paradise
there r some fool muslim that dont apply islam and think that they r in heaven anyway
no
we have hell and many people will get hell
i hope i'm not one of them
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I'll be going into my local morgue awaiting transfer to my wooden box then ultimately 6ft underground to rot and decay away.
Sorry if that isn't the answer that the majority have given in here. But that is what I believe.
Unless someone can give me evidence to the contrary, I shall continue to believe that. |
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clpo13
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No. There are just as many people who see nothing at all. Besides, experiments have been done showing that people aren't really seeing their bodies or the doctors or anything. They just think they are. It's like a dream. They can't even fully describe the scene. I mean, how hard can it be to describe an operating room even if you've never seen it before in your life?
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| West_ham_hammer wrote: | I'll be going into my local morgue awaiting transfer to my wooden box then ultimately 6ft underground to rot and decay away.
Sorry if that isn't the answer that the majority have given in here. But that is what I believe.
Unless someone can give me evidence to the contrary, I shall continue to believe that. |
what do u believve in exactly
tell me what u believe about god
about who create every thing
about where will u go after death
i realy want to know how u think
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West_ham_hammer
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| wahedmenelnas wrote: | | West_ham_hammer wrote: | I'll be going into my local morgue awaiting transfer to my wooden box then ultimately 6ft underground to rot and decay away.
Sorry if that isn't the answer that the majority have given in here. But that is what I believe.
Unless someone can give me evidence to the contrary, I shall continue to believe that. |
what do u believve in exactly
tell me what u believe about god
about who create every thing
about where will u go after death
i realy want to know how u think |
I will tell you how I think.
How can I believe in something that I have never seen? People tell me there is a god and that he looks after us all. Yet there are millions of people suffering all over the world, why?
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, far from it. But how can you or any other living person in this world tell me that once I pass away that I am going to Heaven or hell?
I believe in what I can see. All I see are starving children in Africa. Sickness, wars and terrorism all over. Where's god preventing all off this from happening.
I'm sorry, but until I die and something does happen to me I can't believe that one man would allow such suffering on earth to happen. |
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| West_ham_hammer wrote: | | wahedmenelnas wrote: | | West_ham_hammer wrote: | I'll be going into my local morgue awaiting transfer to my wooden box then ultimately 6ft underground to rot and decay away.
Sorry if that isn't the answer that the majority have given in here. But that is what I believe.
Unless someone can give me evidence to the contrary, I shall continue to believe that. |
what do u believve in exactly
tell me what u believe about god
about who create every thing
about where will u go after death
i realy want to know how u think |
I will tell you how I think.
How can I believe in something that I have never seen? People tell me there is a god and that he looks after us all. Yet there are millions of people suffering all over the world, why?
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, far from it. But how can you or any other living person in this world tell me that once I pass away that I am going to Heaven or hell?
I believe in what I can see. All I see are starving children in Africa. Sickness, wars and terrorism all over. Where's god preventing all off this from happening.
I'm sorry, but until I die and something does happen to me I can't believe that one man would allow such suffering on earth to happen. |
WHH - im "kinda" with you on that one- but im not 100% sure. I dont buy into the majority of the bible (I'm catholic) because i believe the church is very corrupt and money orientated these days. And i find it hard to believe in something i can't see or touch. However, someone once said to me ( wise man once say) "Do you believe you love your son?" and the answer was yes. although i can see the effects of my love for him and feel the effects of my love for him, i cant SEE the actual thing, only its effects.
kinda made me think.... (but not that hard to be honest!)......it probably just made me more understanding of why some people have such faith.
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Xtreme
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| Quote: | WHH - im "kinda" with you on that one- but im not 100% sure. I dont buy into the majority of the bible (I'm catholic) because i believe the church is very corrupt and money orientated these days. And i find it hard to believe in something i can't see or touch. However, someone once said to me (Laughing wise man once say) "Do you believe you love your son?" and the answer was yes. although i can see the effects of my love for him and feel the effects of my love for him, i cant SEE the actual thing, only its effects.
kinda made me think.... (but not that hard to be honest!)......it probably just made me more understanding of why some people have such faith. |
Firstly, I, myself, am Roman Catholic; please realize that you can't possibly reject more than half the Bible and honestly and truthfully claim to be Catholic. If you are Catholic, then you imply that you believe that the Holy Spirit guided the Church to organize and protect the Bible's writings.
Also, how do you think that the Church is "about money?" When numerous religious orders have their members take vows of extreme poverty. Jesuits, for example, literally own NOTHING, not even the clothing on their back. And who do you think the Church would be "controlling?" What good would it do the Catholic Church to continue just "making things up" at this point? Don't you think that the Church would just "go with the flow" and accept whatever is popular at the moment if it's teachings weren't actually reflecting the Truth?
For example, it would be wonderfully socially and secularly accepted if the Church declared that arbitrary divorce was suddenly fine; but it hasn't (and will never) done that. Why not? If she (the Catholic Church) were about money and power, then the Church would just teach whatever made itself popular.
And about "seeing actual things": if you consider the way the mind works, you NEVER physically see "actual things." What you "see" when you look at an apple, for example, is a neural interpretation of you're retina's reaction to light waves reflecting off of the apple's surface in a certain way.
Why, then, do you not question the apple? Perhaps it is not an apple, but rather your mind playing tricks on you, or someone else of greater intelligence fooling you into thinking an apple is there.
The point is, you cannot have faith in God simply by physical inspection. We Catholics have faith in God because we have eaten of Him and are made truly, truly full. Spiritually, physically, and mentally. No amount of miracle can bring you to believe and follow God. Only your completely free will can do that.
You believe you love your son and say that perhaps it is just the effects of your love that you see. Your body sees the effects, but your mind and soul see other parts of the picture. Your soul completes your capacity to love, and therefore you KNOW that you love Him even though you cannot use science or words to describe, verify, or explain that. These are of the body. So it is with God's love and our love for Him - the ENTIRE PERSON knows this incredible love, not just the body.
The body sees effects of love. But you KNOW love by way of all of your humanity, not just your physical body. |
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| mellymoo wrote: | | I dont buy into the majority of the bible (I'm catholic) because i believe the church is very corrupt and money orientated these days. |
The institution named church is in many cases money orientated, but the real church are the people that belive in Jesus and they are real christians.
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wahedmenelnas
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| West_ham_hammer wrote: | | wahedmenelnas wrote: | | West_ham_hammer wrote: | I'll be going into my local morgue awaiting transfer to my wooden box then ultimately 6ft underground to rot and decay away.
Sorry if that isn't the answer that the majority have given in here. But that is what I believe.
Unless someone can give me evidence to the contrary, I shall continue to believe that. |
what do u believve in exactly
tell me what u believe about god
about who create every thing
about where will u go after death
i realy want to know how u think |
I will tell you how I think.
How can I believe in something that I have never seen? People tell me there is a god and that he looks after us all. Yet there are millions of people suffering all over the world, why?
I'm not trying to be argumentative here, far from it. But how can you or any other living person in this world tell me that once I pass away that I am going to Heaven or hell?
I believe in what I can see. All I see are starving children in Africa. Sickness, wars and terrorism all over. Where's god preventing all off this from happening.
I'm sorry, but until I die and something does happen to me I can't believe that one man would allow such suffering on earth to happen. |
ok
i want to ask u some questions
if i hit u
what do u feel?
pain i think
then show me that pain
can u?
u can not i think
do u believe in pain?
yes i think
but u dont believe in anything u dont see
so think again
u dont have to see every thing
u can feel theres a god like u feel there is pain
as all that universte can not be like that with no reasons
i dont know how people say that the universe was created by a drop of water or by chance
then who made that drop of water and who made that chance
there must be actreator
and about that god let people destroy and kill
i'm muslim
so i belive as a muslim that god created us
he knows what every body will do
but he dont stop anybody
as there is paradise for good people and hell for bad people
i dont belive that all people will go paradise
and i dont believe that good loves us all
if god loves all people
then he should stop the bad things and make us happy and rich all
but he only loves good people and hate bad [people
so good will go paradise and bad will go hell
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