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If you will die tonight were will you go in heaven or in hell?
heaven
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 31%  [ 48 ]
hell
8%
 8%  [ 13 ]
I don't know
19%
 19%  [ 30 ]
I don't care
5%
 5%  [ 8 ]
It will be the end
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I will be reincarnated
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Nacht
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CosminG wrote:
LP-Nacht wrote:
CosminG wrote:
How? Were do you know that from?

What a question! From where do you know about God? Rolling Eyes


If you answer my question I will answer yours.

That was a rhetorical question Wink
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Neil
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 12:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I will go to heaven because I have confessed not only my sins, but that I believe in Jesus and been saved. So, God forgives me of every sin, and thankfully, I will be going to heaven. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 1:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LP-Nacht wrote:
CosminG wrote:
LP-Nacht wrote:
CosminG wrote:
How? Were do you know that from?

What a question! From where do you know about God? Rolling Eyes


If you answer my question I will answer yours.

That was a rhetorical question Wink


I have an answer, do you?
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2005 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Of course. Karma is present in both Hindu and Buddhist religions, and as you'd know if you'd have bothered to do a bit of simple research, both of these religions have many holy scriptures, prophets, etc. who have all described the law of karma as a universal justice.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma

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Although, the Karma cannot be proven as easily as the law of gravity, millions of people believe in it and is a part of many cultures and psyche of groups of people. Even more people, without a religious background, especially in a western culture or with a Christian upbringing, come to the conviction of the existence of Karma. For some, karma is a more reasonable concept than eternal damnation for the wicked. Spirituality or a belief that virtue is rewarded and sin creates suffering eventually leads to a belief in Karma

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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 2:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If I die tonight, I will go to heaven and be with my Lord Jesus Christ.
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Nowhere
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You think you will.

You hope you will.

You've been taught/conditioned into feeling both of the above.

Nothing more.

Dan Kieffer wrote:
If I die tonight, I will go to heaven and be with my Lord Jesus Christ.

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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with that. There seem to be a lot of people on these forums (and probably in the US and other religious venues on this Earth) who blindly believe that when they die they'll go to heaven and meet this Jesus dude or this God guy who's gonna save them and give them eternal, blissful afterlife or something. Seems pretty conditioned to me... Though I guess if they're right I'm pretty screwed... Denying the existance of God and Satan and blablablab and all...
Yeah, atheism roxxorz Silly
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Nowhere
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

(just so you know beforehand, I am not an atheist)

If their god is as hateful as the mentalities some christians present, I want no part of it, so I personally have no worries. In other words, if those folks are the ones in heavan, and you need to act that way to be there... do you really want to be there? Just because you've been told you should?

But seriously... they vehemently cling to this belief because it's all they live for. So if they admitted the flaws in their claims while still being literalist christians of a most devout nature, they would have nothing to live for.

And since survival is the strongest instinct in a human, the walls of denial shoot up amazingly.



schudder wrote:
I agree with that. There seem to be a lot of people on these forums (and probably in the US and other religious venues on this Earth) who blindly believe that when they die they'll go to heaven and meet this Jesus dude or this God guy who's gonna save them and give them eternal, blissful afterlife or something. Seems pretty conditioned to me... Though I guess if they're right I'm pretty screwed... Denying the existance of God and Satan and blablablab and all...
Yeah, atheism roxxorz Silly

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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jep, denial is an incredible thing. It's probably the single most powerful thing the mind is capable of. Denying the painfully obvious.

Frankly, if I die, I really hope that's the end of it, cause heaven doesn't sound very appealing to me at all. Besides, who would want to live forever (even if it is afterlife)? Try going on for thousands of years, you'd get bored pretty quickly, I'll tell you that. Maybe that's why reincarnation is the only other theory of what happens after death that I can conceive as being plausible. Cause that way, your spirit lives on, but you don't really remember it, so that kinda takes away the boredom.

Just a question to you, nowhere, what exactely are you then? Are you agnostic or satanist (I noticed satan in your title) or something else?
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Nowhere
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 4:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just a question to you, nowhere, what exactely are you then? Are you agnostic or satanist (I noticed satan in your title) or something else?


Neither... the title is simply a joke regarding the feelings of the some of the overzealous and literal types on this board. Wink

What am I? That's not easy to describe, as it's not any pre existing religion; closer an amalgam of all.
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whoa whoa whoa... you guys are going crazy. What proof do we Christians need to show you that God exists? We Christians say that God created the heavens and the earth. Most atheists believe in the "big bang theory" in which matter came together to form a small, dense area of something. This something later exploded into what we know as the universe. So in the beginning, Christians say that there was God, and a proportional statement that would support atheists beliefs would be "in the beginning, there was dirt." I honestly believe that if you people spent more time looking into religions, you'd find Christianity as one that actually makes sense.

For those seeking to find information regarding Christianity vs. evolution, I highly reccomend minding the documents at http://www.drdino.com/ Wink
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa... you guys are going crazy.


So stating opinions that are not parallel to yours equates "crazy"? Thanks for making us aware of your mindstate early on. Wink

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What proof do we Christians need to show you that God exists?


When did I ask you for proof? If you feel you need to prove something to me, that's your business. Christianity and it's arguments are not new, so unless you know things about your religion that your religion doesn't know, it is not possible for you to come up with any proof. Because religion/spirituality is called FAITH for a reason.

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We Christians say that God created the heavens and the earth.


Big deal, other religions say other gods/things/forces created such things. Other religions and beliefs have still further ideas not involving omniscient god being types. You saying it does not mean anything.

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Most atheists believe in the "big bang theory" in which matter came together to form a small, dense area of something.


Some do and some don't... just like not all christians think the same thing... However, I'm not an athiest.

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So in the beginning, Christians say that there was God, and a proportional statement that would support atheists beliefs would be "in the beginning, there was dirt."


The fact that you take such complex ideas, then eliminate all the other possibilities other than those two, and try to simplify so much... shows you are more interested in proving yourself right than considering ideas.

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I honestly believe that if you people spent more time looking into religions, you'd find Christianity as one that actually makes sense.


Which religions would you like to discuss? I've studied many and all the major ones. Christianity was what I was born into. And yet somehow, I do not find christianity as the way to go. How much do you know about other religions? Or other belief systems? Perhaps if YOU studied a bit more, you'd find what you think makes sense to you now... doesn't.

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For those seeking to find information regarding Christianity vs. evolution, I highly reccomend minding the documents at http://www.drdino.com/ Wink

Of course you suggest them, because they back your claims. And athiests will direct you to pages that support their claims. As will any zealous member who wants to convert folks.

How about finding the ideas you find most intriguing and bringing them here, fleshed out with your own thoughts?
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PostPosted: Sun May 29, 2005 10:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nowhere wrote:
Neil wrote:
Whoa whoa whoa... you guys are going crazy.


So stating opinions that are not parallel to yours equates "crazy"? Thanks for making us aware of your mindstate early on. Wink

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What proof do we Christians need to show you that God exists?


When did I ask you for proof? If you feel you need to prove something to me, that's your business. Christianity and it's arguments are not new, so unless you know things about your religion that your religion doesn't know, it is not possible for you to come up with any proof. Because religion/spirituality is called FAITH for a reason.

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We Christians say that God created the heavens and the earth.


Big deal, other religions say other gods/things/forces created such things. Other religions and beliefs have still further ideas not involving omniscient god being types. You saying it does not mean anything.

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Most atheists believe in the "big bang theory" in which matter came together to form a small, dense area of something.


Some do and some don't... just like not all christians think the same thing... However, I'm not an athiest.

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So in the beginning, Christians say that there was God, and a proportional statement that would support atheists beliefs would be "in the beginning, there was dirt."


The fact that you take such complex ideas, then eliminate all the other possibilities other than those two, and try to simplify so much... shows you are more interested in proving yourself right than considering ideas.

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I honestly believe that if you people spent more time looking into religions, you'd find Christianity as one that actually makes sense.


Which religions would you like to discuss? I've studied many and all the major ones. Christianity was what I was born into. And yet somehow, I do not find christianity as the way to go. How much do you know about other religions? Or other belief systems? Perhaps if YOU studied a bit more, you'd find what you think makes sense to you now... doesn't.

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For those seeking to find information regarding Christianity vs. evolution, I highly reccomend minding the documents at http://www.drdino.com/ Wink

Of course you suggest them, because they back your claims. And athiests will direct you to pages that support their claims. As will any zealous member who wants to convert folks.

How about finding the ideas you find most intriguing and bringing them here, fleshed out with your own thoughts?


Why do you have to pull EVERYTHING that I say apart? Evolution, or whatever you believe in, is also merely a faith because you're believing in something that you cannot see. And don't say that you can see it by resemblence. Humans and bananas have DNA that is between 70 and 80% similar. Where is the resemblance there?

Perhaps I should pull everything you said apart and see how you like it. You really know how to make people angry.

Okay, first of all, I've seen God's work in my personal life. My dad comes from India, and his family has a very strong Christian background. On the other hand, my mom comes from an American family that doesn't have much of a religious background. My dad's family is very wealthy and God has given them many blessings, including VERY nice houses, nice cars, etc. My dad has three sisters, and they married three brothers. These three brothers... one is a forensic pathologist, one owns the secoond largest incinerator-manufacturing company in India, and the last is the president of a Christian college in Ohio. Each of them (in American dollars) make six-figure incomes. I can look on my dad's side of the family and look forward to riding to a nice, fancy restaurant in a comfortable Mercedes (people who are dead-to-earth Christians) or I can look to my mom's side, where I can ride to Pizza Hut in a Chevy Cavalier. Which would you choose? I'd choose the Merc deal. God, I believe, has given them a comfortable lifestyle due to their dedication to serving Him.

Nowhere wrote:
Perhaps if YOU studied a bit more, you'd find what you think makes sense to you now... doesn't.


Makes sense? You have to understand it in order for it to make sense. Sounds like, from what you say, you don't understand Christianity.

Nowhere wrote:
I've studied many and all the major ones.


Prove it. You sound like an idiot sitting here and bragging on how you're right and I'm wrong.

Nowhere wrote:
I do not find [C]hristianity as the way to go.


Why? At least make yourself look smart by backing up your statements.

I find Christianity as the one and only religion due to all the blessings God has given my family: health, wealth, and prosperity.
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PostPosted: Mon May 30, 2005 1:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Neil:

Why do you insist that "...Christianity as one that actually makes sense"?

Religions do exactly what you are doing in your arguments. You are defending the religion and NOT God!

Because your family has wealth you think this is some proof that Christianity is the only true religion, because of course God has given you all this wealth for being Christian!

How conceited! Are there no rich people who are not Christian?

You have spent time telling us how wonderful Christianity is and how being a Christian has made you and your family rich. Does God enter into this anywhere? Are we only allowed to be rewarded by God if we are Christians? Did your family do any work for their money or did it just fall in their laps from the sky?

Lots of people who don't even believe in God, let alone Christianity, are rich beyond belief and continue to get richer. How do you explain that then?

Maybe you should concentrate less on worshiping and promoting the religion and more on the God that is meant to be behind it.
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I'd probably goto the morgue....

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