| If you will die tonight were will you go in heaven or in hell? |
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| hell |
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| I don't know |
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| I don't care |
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| It will be the end |
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| I will be reincarnated |
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Maximillian
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| Warbringer87 wrote: | I'd probably goto the morgue....
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Thats in the dead center of town isn't it? I hear people are dying to get in there! 
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CloudNine
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| It's all speculation, as far as I know, no-one has come back and offered us the potenial options. However, I voted for reincarnation because there has been some proof that it happens. |
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CosminG
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| LP-Nacht wrote: | Of course. Karma is present in both Hindu and Buddhist religions, and as you'd know if you'd have bothered to do a bit of simple research, both of these religions have many holy scriptures, prophets, etc. who have all described the law of karma as a universal justice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karma
| Quote: | | Although, the Karma cannot be proven as easily as the law of gravity, millions of people believe in it and is a part of many cultures and psyche of groups of people. Even more people, without a religious background, especially in a western culture or with a Christian upbringing, come to the conviction of the existence of Karma. For some, karma is a more reasonable concept than eternal **** for the wicked. Spirituality or a belief that virtue is rewarded and sin creates suffering eventually leads to a belief in Karma |
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So... Becouse Karma is present in both Hindu and Buddhist you belive in it ?
| CloudNine wrote: | | It's all speculation, as far as I know, no-one has come back and offered us the potenial options. However, I voted for reincarnation because there has been some proof that it happens. |
What proof?
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Nacht
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| Quote: | | So... Becouse Karma is present in both Hindu and Buddhist you belive in it ? |
So, because Heaven is present in Christianity you believe in it?
I mean, come on... -_-
Originally you asked me how I knew about karma. I replied to you that it was thoroughly described in many eastern religions, just like heaven is described in some western religions for example. Both ideas are just as valid as one another, and have ancient writings and prophets to support the idea. As long as your belief helps you to be a better & happier person, I think each view is just as good as the other.
I am getting the impression that you don't consider eastern religions valid, or...?
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CosminG
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| LP-Nacht wrote: | | Quote: | | So... Becouse Karma is present in both Hindu and Buddhist you belive in it ? |
So, because Heaven is present in Christianity you believe in it?
I mean, come on... -_-
Originally you asked me how I knew about karma. I replied to you that it was thoroughly described in many eastern religions, just like heaven is described in some western religions for example. Both ideas are just as valid as one another, and have ancient writings and prophets to support the idea. As long as your belief helps you to be a better & happier person, I think each view is just as good as the other.
I am getting the impression that you don't consider eastern religions valid, or...? |
I belive there is heaven and hell becouse I have a relationship with God. The God wich will juge all people. I know Him personaly and I talk with Him. He answer. So, I belive the Bible bcouse I meet the God of the Bible, my Lord and I see in the Bible that people will make religious as they like, decived by Satan. I like people trying to know the true and searching, but how do you check up what you hear or read?
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Nowhere
Some call him satan?
Joined: 09 Nov 2004
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Why do you have to pull EVERYTHING that I say apart?
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Why do you say things that fall apart so easily, is the question you should be asking...
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Evolution, or whatever you believe in,
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Again, you make assumptions of my beliefs, and are wrong. Try to reply to what I'm saying, not what words you are attempting to put in my mouth.
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is also merely a faith because you're believing in something that you cannot see.
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I agree with you wholeheartedly there. However, that has no bearing on my comments, as I am not arguing from the position that "my beliefs are right and yours wrong". I am arguing from the position of "anyone who says their beliefs are 100% right no doubt about it they know everything is a dumbass", to be blunt
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Perhaps I should pull everything you said apart and see how you like it. You really know how to make people angry.
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Or you could say people really know how to get angry, and look for any excuse... it's all a matter of perspective. You're welcome to analyze and question, if you can be polite... that's a part of understanding and communicating better.
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Okay, first of all, I've seen God's work in my personal life.
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People can see anything they want to... look at prophecies that some say have come true and other believers say don't, it's all perception... look at horoscopes, how anyone can find validity and how it connects to them, if they believe... and if they don't, they won't. Etc and so forth.
So, big deal. I mean great for you and all, but don't expect that to mean anything to one who is not of your faith.
Also bear in mind that other people of other faiths have seen their god or spirit or whathaveyou at work in their life as well.
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Which would you choose? I'd choose the Merc deal. God, I believe, has given them a comfortable lifestyle due to their dedication to serving Him.
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Wow, that's some story of "ME ME ME ME"... can you relate to things external ever?
But which would I choose? You haven't given me enough information. All you've told me about is material **** (things you won't have in your heavan, according to your beliefs... which makes for a rather humorous scenario) and money...
What family would I want? The loving one. The thinking one. The one that is a true family. Which I see more often in the chevy folks than the mercs... so I lean the opposite way. But again, you've not given me enough information, the chevy folks could be raging drunken arsefaces...
...so what I'm saying is to me it depends on the people, not what they have.
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Makes sense? You have to understand it in order for it to make sense. Sounds like, from what you say, you don't understand Christianity.
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Because I disagree with you, you say I misunderstand. And clearly, by your definitions, I will not understand unless I agree. How egotistical. And no, I will not agree. Yes, I understand the many different denominations of christianity quite well... as well as the many mindstates that comprise them. I also understand many other forms of belief. I find things that I agree with in them all, even christianity ...
But again, you ignored the thing I pointed out. That your knowledge of other faiths seems, at this point, very limited. Odd how, when confronted with your own lacking, you attempt to lash out in hopes that people will forget the question your are hidingn from.
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Prove it. You sound like an idiot sitting here and bragging on how you're right and I'm wrong.
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Ha. Prove it. Cute, like a second grader. If you had any fathoming of religion as a general concept and the study of it... you'd know how impossible a question that is. Discuss with me, ask questions if you'd like, and you'll see. There is simply far too much information to just give it all to you, nor have I the desire to spend that much time educating you unless you pay me your proper tuition.
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Why? At least make yourself look smart by backing up your statements.
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I gave an opinion, and it's one I've spoken of at great length on these forums... try searching. If you have specific questions, I'm happy to discuss (we all need vsp eh? hehehe), but your general "why?" statement can be answered by thoughts already posted on this board.
Also, I've yet to see you back yourself up, so hypocrite on laddie.
And I, quite frankly, don't really care what others think of me. I am who I am and people can like it or not. "Amazingly" enough, there are lots who do like me, and also lots like you and other folks who have decided they know how it all is who don't. Fine by me.
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I find Christianity as the one and only religion due to all the blessings God has given my family: health, wealth, and prosperity. |
Why? Prove it! Haha, just kidding, I don't really care. I know you'll just spout out the same repetitious tirades as your comrades in zealotry.
Your religion sure seems to put a lot of stock in the material. There's one reason it's not for me, just to be nice (although not all christians put as much stock in it as you do... so already on glaring deviation on your end appears).
BONUS FOR YOU: People like you are a part of why I know christianity is not for me, or any organized religion for that matter... for every one has your kind.
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Nacht
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| Quote: | | I belive there is heaven and hell becouse I have a relationship with God. The God wich will juge all people. I know Him personaly and I talk with Him. He answer. So, I belive the Bible bcouse I meet the God of the Bible, my Lord and I see in the Bible that people will make religious as they like, decived by Satan. I like people trying to know the true and searching, but how do you check up what you hear or read? |
And how do you know that's not your imagination...? Following that line of thought, people can also say they remember their past lives. I do. These memories may be just as real (or not) as God's voice speaking to you. Or perhaps they are just wishful thinking. We cannot know for sure.
Death is such a mystery anyways. There is no way of knowing for certain what awaits us there. Perhaps we just die and that is the end of it; perhaps we go to a paradise of bliss, perhaps we are pushed into a new reincarnation cycle. But does it really matter? IMO the most important thing is living a good life, try the best you can. At the worst, if after death there is nothing, at least we will have lived a good life and made the world a better place for others. If we reincarnate, we have a bonus of good karma. If there is a heaven, we will go there and be eternally blissfull. In the end, there is nothing to lose. That's why I think each person should follow their own path and try to lead a good life 
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Kaether
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I know that I will go to hell. What I have done in my life or rather to my life is unforgivable. So... I am going to the 7th level of hell. And I can do is try to enjoy the pain...
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slsc
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| Kaether wrote: | | What I have done in my life or rather to my life is unforgivable. |
There's not a perfect man in this world, but failing to forgive ourselves and wallowing in guilt is not the path to take:
| 1 John 1:9 wrote: | | If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. |
Why would he forgive us? Because:
| 1 John 4:8-10 wrote: | | God is love. By this was God's love revealed in us, that God has sent his only born Son into the world that we might live through him. This is the kind of love we are talking about - not that we once upon a time loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as a sacrifice to clear away our sins and the damage they've done to our relationship with God. |
No matter what you've done, atonement is not impossible.
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Neil
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| Kaether wrote: | | I know that I will go to hell. What I have done in my life or rather to my life is unforgivable. So... I am going to the 7th level of hell. And I can do is try to enjoy the pain... |
Bad attitude!
Another thing to add to slsc's post:
| John 3:16 wrote: | | For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. |
God loves the world. He loves everyone so much that He will forgive you of your sins. He wants you to enjoy not only your life on earth, but your life after earth. |
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Nowhere
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God loves the world. He loves everyone so much that He will forgive you of your sins. He wants you to enjoy not only your life on earth, but your life after earth. |
Unless, of course, you live your life as a good person (as defined by your religion) and yet don't identify as christian... then you'll burn in hell right? That's what your brothers say. So... either you've a difference of opinions... your god is quite the egotist, since, in those circumstances, it/he/she would be judging a person not by their actions, but by their fealty towards him.
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Warbringer87
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Ok, in the dead end, (hahah!) it doesn't really matter where you are going, right? Does it? By then, you will have little say in anything.
Myself, being an atheist, I beleive in none of the mumbo jumbo.(First person that calls me a satan worshipper gets a knife to the face)
Look, one could say that the western religions are more distored than the eastern ones. Since there were a multitude of cultures practicing the same religion (christiantiy is what I am reffering to) there have been like 100 branches of it. Count how many time buddhism branched off. Get it?
Then we have extinct religious beleifs getting reussrected (hah!) Wicca, for example. Too bad it gets dismissed as "new age crap" by the people whos ancestors used to practice it.
In short, wed all eb better off ignoring organized religion and just having ourselves to reflect upon.
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Maximillian
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Is it not true that pretty much all religions claim that if you follow them you will sit at the right hand of God in heaven?
In other words, unless you believe in them, no matter what you do, you will not go to heaven, and by inference, if you don't go to heaven you must go to hell.
Thats very loving isn't it! Not exactly what I would expect from a God of Love!
Lets face it, these are the words of the religious leaders doing what they do best. Lying through their teeth to try and persuade people to follow them. In other words perpetuating their religion.
There is only one God, its just that we all seem to be looking at Him from a different angle and calling Him different names, and no matter who you are or what you do, if you believe then you will be forgiven your sins. Its only the religions that make up all this other garbage to frighten you into their folds.
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