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| I will be reincarnated |
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| Maximillian wrote: | I don't for a moment imagine that God is anything like religions like to portray Him! I am completely open to other ideas and concepts, including the possibility that God is in fact some kind of energy, present in all atoms and therefore present in everything.
I do not think of him as wise old bearded man with white hair sitting on a cloud!  |
I like that theory, it is very interesting, never thought of it like that. Even though I hope he's a wise old bearded man.
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| timweb wrote: | | Maximillian wrote: | I don't for a moment imagine that God is anything like religions like to portray Him! I am completely open to other ideas and concepts, including the possibility that God is in fact some kind of energy, present in all atoms and therefore present in everything.
I do not think of him as wise old bearded man with white hair sitting on a cloud! |
I like that theory, it is very interesting, never thought of it like that. Even though I hope he's a wise old bearded man. |
I highly doubt it. Even if he/she does exist, the "old bearded man on a cloud" thing is just a remnant of the Roman days. In order to spread christianity, they sometimes altered or added some things to make it easier for the local population to accept the new religion. Now, most Romans still believed in the old pantheon with Juppiter, Venus, Mars,... (or Zeus, Aphrodite,... if you prefer the greek names). Now the main God, Juppiter, was presented as an old man sitting on a mountain top (mt olympus) or sometimes in heaven (-> cloud), throwing down the occasional lightning jolt. Of course, the lightning thing was useless, but going from an upper-God to a single God was very easy if they looked the exact same.
So that's what they did. In other words, our representation of "God" is just a copy of what the ancient Romans used in "pagan" times.
So I highly doubt God (if (s)he exists) is an old bearded man.
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| schudder wrote: | | timweb wrote: | | Maximillian wrote: | I don't for a moment imagine that God is anything like religions like to portray Him! I am completely open to other ideas and concepts, including the possibility that God is in fact some kind of energy, present in all atoms and therefore present in everything.
I do not think of him as wise old bearded man with white hair sitting on a cloud! |
I like that theory, it is very interesting, never thought of it like that. Even though I hope he's a wise old bearded man. |
I highly doubt it. Even if he/she does exist, the "old bearded man on a cloud" thing is just a remnant of the Roman days. In order to spread christianity, they sometimes altered or added some things to make it easier for the local population to accept the new religion. Now, most Romans still believed in the old pantheon with Juppiter, Venus, Mars,... (or Zeus, Aphrodite,... if you prefer the greek names). Now the main God, Juppiter, was presented as an old man sitting on a mountain top (mt olympus) or sometimes in heaven (-> cloud), throwing down the occasional lightning jolt. Of course, the lightning thing was useless, but going from an upper-God to a single God was very easy if they looked the exact same.
So that's what they did. In other words, our representation of "God" is just a copy of what the ancient Romans used in "pagan" times.
So I highly doubt God (if (s)he exists) is an old bearded man. |
Well for sure He is not an old man, He is not a man is God, but still not some sort of energy. Some people would like God to be just an energy. But He is a person.
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Really?
Well, just out of curiousity of course, would you mind telling us why you think god is a person and not a form of energy or pan-dimensional being or great entity or something non-humanlike?
It just seems interesting to me that you immediately say that s/he is a person, but you do not give any reason to explain why you think so.
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I believe God is a form of person, but greater than us, or he is an energy that looks like a human but isn't, seen as I believe what Genesis says that Man was made in God's own image.
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I'm not big on Biblical texts, at least not remembering which goes where and all, so which text from genesis are you referring to? Is that the very first with the "world created in 6 days plus a resting day" story?
Cause if it is, forget about it, that story is culturally bound and blablabla, read another thread about these subjects, pretty much explained it there.
If that's not the one, ignore the last sentence
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| schudder wrote: | Really?
Well, just out of curiousity of course, would you mind telling us why you think god is a person and not a form of energy or pan-dimensional being or great entity or something non-humanlike?
It just seems interesting to me that you immediately say that s/he is a person, but you do not give any reason to explain why you think so. |
Well I have a question for you too, If you answer mine I will answer yours. What do you think I am ? A person or an energy? Why?
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Just before I start, CosminG, you are both, a person in physical form and energy in the form of a soul and what lets you exist and come into physical form otherwise you would never exist as you would be nothing before you were born.
I know it is understandable to believe in heaven and hell and I don't argue against that.
However consider what happened with whatever form you were in before you were "born" into a physical form. Did you exist before then?
Where are our souls coming from?
What happened in the "beginning"?
How did God become what he is?
(apologies if that offends anyone in any way)
All these questions lead no-where at the moment because we haven't the knowledge to know about whatever form of energy that is used to create something out of nothing.
So I have to say "I don't know" but my best bet is a nirvana or a purgatory after which we wither go to a nirvana or perhaps, wait and be re-born into a physical form again, perhaps as a different animal, or a human again, or perhaps live in a different galaxy in a different race.
Then you can put all this junk about another universe that can't be accessed physically and then parallel universes which are complete nonsense and so on...
Please excuse if parts of that were hard to understand or didn't make sense as that is the reason why I don't post in the oratory too much - and because I don't want to get into any flame wars, hence the apologies in advance for anything that may be remotely offensive. |
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| CosminG wrote: | | schudder wrote: | Really?
Well, just out of curiousity of course, would you mind telling us why you think god is a person and not a form of energy or pan-dimensional being or great entity or something non-humanlike?
It just seems interesting to me that you immediately say that s/he is a person, but you do not give any reason to explain why you think so. |
Well I have a question for you too, If you answer mine I will answer yours. What do you think I am ? A perdon or an energy? Why? |
Well, krt gave a good explanation and now I'm going to give a very straightforward one with no consideration for your freaky personal opinions.
Ok, perhaps that's a bit rude, but I'll still be very straightforward.
I know you're a person and not energy, because you're typing on a keyboard to make your opinions public on the internet. I highly doubt pure energy would be able to do that. And even if it could, I'm sure it wouldn't make the same spelling errors you make (perdon? ) and might elaborate a bit more from the start, instead of being very short and then indirectly refusing to elaborate.
There, that's my reason. Love it or hate it, but there it is.
Now personally (and please don't be offended, seeing as how this is a generalisation) I'm atheist/a-religious and I think anyone blindly believing in any sort of religion or faith is a downright narrowminded idiot. If you have some reason and proof (and don't say: we have money, it must be god!) and some experience that they think it's a clear and utterly undeniable sign of god, then ok, believe in him (though I bet I could still prove you wrong  ) but I won't complain or bitch about it. But if you just believe or follow blindly and say "it's so, because it's written it's so" and I have no respect for you what-so-****-ever!
Just an extra note: that only applies to faith in a higher being and scriptures and such. I do not have problems with people semi-blindly following f.e. the buddhist way of life, even though that's considered a religion, at least they (usually) don't blindly follow something, just because it's written down.
I hope I was clear in that post and that I haven't offended any narrowminded people.
Thank you.
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| Quote: | | I know you're a person and not energy, because you're typing on a keyboard to make your opinions public on the internet. |
Well I know God is a person because He gave us the Bible - His Word and I talk to Him every day. It may be strange to you, but for me it is normal, not accepted as normal by the majority, but God created us for a relationship with Him. I will explain to you my experience:
When I was 7 months old my parents died in an accident. My grandparents took care of me. But I was felling very alone and I was suffering. I was thinking everyone has parents, but I don't, why was I borned ? For suffering? I has tinking: It would be better if my parents would die before having me.
But, groing I find out about God at church, I read the Bible and I understud that God wanted to my my father:
| Quote: | A father of the fatherless, and a judge of the widows, is God in his holy habitation.
(Psalms 68:5, KJV Bible)
But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His Name
(John 1:12, KJV Bible) |
I recived Jesus and God is my father. I speak to Him and He speak to me. No I do not hear a voice, but I understand. He take care of me.
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Perhaps you should be more explicite in your posting, or perhaps elaborate some more (as I have said before ), because as it reads now, I'd interprete that as "I hope everyone here dies soon and those non-believers will probably go to hell"
Well, it's good to read you like us all so much 
Anyway, the reason xJeff gives is exactely the kind of BS reason I hate. "It's in the Bible, so it MUST be true". Hey, newsflash, the Bible doesn't contain the exact truth, it's just a bunch of myths that were thought up at some point in time and were then passed down in generations until at some point someone said "Hey, they've been saying this for so long, it MUST be true". That's it.
I'm not denying some stories were based on real events, but a lot of it - including creation and heaven and all that - is just myth that at some point was taken as real for some obscure reason and until you can face and accept that, you're just going to be an ignorant narrow-minded idiot. And I'm not saying that just to call you names, I mean it. If you can't look past what is litteraly written... Then that's just sad.
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| schudder wrote: | Perhaps you should be more explicite in your posting, or perhaps elaborate some more (as I have said before ), because as it reads now, I'd interprete that as "I hope everyone here dies soon and those non-believers will probably go to hell"
Well, it's good to read you like us all so much
Anyway, the reason xJeff gives is exactely the kind of BS reason I hate. "It's in the Bible, so it MUST be true". Hey, newsflash, the Bible doesn't contain the exact truth, it's just a bunch of myths that were thought up at some point in time and were then passed down in generations until at some point someone said "Hey, they've been saying this for so long, it MUST be true". That's it.
I'm not denying some stories were based on real events, but a lot of it - including creation and heaven and all that - is just myth that at some point was taken as real for some obscure reason and until you can face and accept that, you're just going to be an ignorant narrow-minded idiot. And I'm not saying that just to call you names, I mean it. If you can't look past what is litteraly written... Then that's just sad. |
Have you ever read the Bible ??
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