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Scar Lifeless Person

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 6125 Location: Chuck Norris's nightmares.
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Posted: Tue Dec 25, 2007 4:30 pm Post subject: Is learning to play the guitar very hard? |
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I'm going to buy me an acoustic guitar with my next paycheck, or at least i'm planning on it (a couple days from now). I've always wanted to learn how to play the guitar, but im wondering. I've been training myself to play he piano for over a year now, and its very complicated. Do you think the guitar is as complicated as the piano? Or much easier?
I hope its much easier. i dunno.
Does anyone here actually play the guitar? _________________ http://www.damnidunno.com | http://www.RebX.net |
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coralvalley Lifeless Person

Joined: 17 Nov 2004 Posts: 918
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:09 am Post subject: |
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| I learned to play guitar when I was a bit younger and from what I can remember it was not really complicated at all. You learn the notes and then you start to learn the chords and things kind of fall into place. I remember when I was first learning that I was not sure if I would like it or not, but it was pretty fun during the time that I was taking lessons. From what I recall it was a lot easier than learning to play another instrument for the most part. I am not an expert by any means, but I do think it should be simple enough for you if you are willing to work at it and ready to practice. The nice thing with a guitar is that when you are first learning it does not sound really bad at all even if you are not always sure about what you are doing. Have fun if you wind up taking up the art of playing a guitar. |
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spock iSpock

Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 2882 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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I play the guitar, and actually quite good. I've played for about 2 years now.
Anyway, in my opinion playing the guitar is at the same time hard an really easy. If you just want to learn a few chords to just strum along with some simple songs, you can learn it in just a matter of a few weeks. Though if you want to do more complicated things; playing melodies, learning scales, learning about songwriting techniques (keys) etc. it can become quite complicated. Basically you'll never finish learning.
I actually messed up like about 9 months, because I wanted to learn how to do complicated songs first and because I first bought a crappy guitar.
The best advice I can give is: Buy a good guitar, buy a tuner so you can easily tune it yourself (you should really make sure you learn to play/ you play on a tuned guitar) and start of with simple songs. I recommend just learning a few simple 3-chord songs for a start.
Good luck, and although it might be hard at first, I can tell you the effort will be worth it  _________________ Spock's blog
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Xtreme Lifeless Person

Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1311 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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I would say that you should understand the fundamentals of music as you can learn from the piano before you play guitar. If you have that opportunity - and you said that you have.
Too many people pick up guitar and just become chord-hammering solo-repeating drones rather than musicians. This doesn't seem to be the case on, say, wind instruments, because typically a wind instrument is learned under the supervision of a band director or private instructor. Although many guitar instructors, in reality, aren't very good at teaching guitar, I would recommend taking lessons over just trying to figure it out on your own. You'll tend towards bad long-term habits, unsafe practices, and poor fundamentals.
So many guitar players have no concept of basic music fundamentals and yet they "seem" to be able to play many popular songs. That's likely because many popular songs are totally devoid of musical and artistic depth. Learn the fundamentals and take your time; I'd recommend honing your piano abilities all the while and taking lessons on one or both of those instruments. |
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spock iSpock

Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 2882 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:28 am Post subject: |
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| Xtreme wrote: | | I would say that you should understand the fundamentals of music as you can learn from the piano before you play guitar. |
True, the guitar isn't a very good instrument from a music theory point of view, however, if you just want to play some songs, just want an easy way to make some music without having to learn to much theory, the guitar is a wonderful instrument.
| Xtreme wrote: | So many guitar players have no concept of basic music fundamentals and yet they "seem" to be able to play many popular songs. That's likely because many popular songs are totally devoid of musical and artistic depth. |
Well, many guitar players can also play less popular/better songs by learning them through repetition. And if that's all you want to be able to do, what's wrong with that?
However, I do agree that learning theory really makes you a far better musician than learning by repetition.
But the best way to do it depends on what you want, what your goals are.
And I also developed some bad habits at first, (and I spoiled a lot of time thanks to that). Later on I fixed those after watching to videos. I'm now even learning music theory from books, I've learned quite a lot of scales, I learned about the way chords are constructed, I learned all notes on the guitar, I learned to read notes and I learned many other such things over the past few months.
I've got to agree with you that learning it all the hard way by figuring it out myself wasn't the best way, but I'm here now.
However, and that's a piece of advice I haven't given in my last post, if you can afford a good guitar teacher, take lessons. (And from a good one) Especially if you want to be a good musician.
However, if you just want to learn how to play simple songs using simple chords, just to impress most people and just to have fun, you could figure out how to do that yourself.
And you could learn to do more after that (like I did). However, learning theory in the beginning and developing good habits right away would save a lot of time. So if you already know that you'd like that, a good guitar teacher would be the best option. _________________ Spock's blog
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martinz Grandmaster Poster

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Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I find learning guitar tough, probably am not a musical person. Besides, I learnt it when am young, and I always find my finger aching because of the tight strings. I gave up learning after trying it for a while. |
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kenoodo Lifeless Person
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2007 7:06 am Post subject: |
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I tried once years ago, but it seems I have no music gene, all I can make is noise.
I always envy you guys who have this gift, life turns out to be so rhythmical when you are making music out.
I read before that play music would help your brain balance functions inside and make you smarter, I think that must be the reason why I am so dull. |
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Xtreme Lifeless Person

Joined: 14 Aug 2004 Posts: 1311 Location: New Orleans, LA, USA
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 1:44 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I read before that play music would help your brain balance functions inside and make you smarter, I think that must be the reason why I am so dull. |
The Mozart Effect, we call it. The bane of many a band director... Parents sign their kids up for band expecting an increase in academic performance and march on the band director's office when the standardized tests scores are still poor and math still isn't Little Johnny's forte.
| Quote: | True, the guitar isn't a very good instrument from a music theory point of view, however, if you just want to play some songs, just want an easy way to make some music without having to learn to much theory, the guitar is a wonderful instrument.
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While I can't say that this is entirely untrue - and, after all, it is possible to mimic many popular songs just by learning a handful of typical chords and progressions - I can't really put much support into this method of learning. It just doesn't build musical awareness, and I think that's something that every individual should have. And it seems a waste for a musically-interested person to start an instrument (guitar, in this case), progress a little bit, and then hit a brick wall because of a bad foundation.
There's no problem with learning songs to have fun, just realize that that's just a glimpse through the keyhole into the world of music performance and study. I say to learn piano because piano is MUCH more visually helpful when understand our contemporary Western music system. Guitar can be daunting when learning technical things like scales and such, and they seem to become an exercise in memorization rather than musical development.
Nevertheless, it's a fun instrument. Don't let it be anything less. Just don't get too caught up in the modern guitar craze and noise production.  |
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exsanguination Forum Regular
Joined: 27 Apr 2005 Posts: 415 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon Jan 07, 2008 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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| Xtreme wrote: | While I can't say that this is entirely untrue - and, after all, it is possible to mimic many popular songs just by learning a handful of typical chords and progressions - I can't really put much support into this method of learning. It just doesn't build musical awareness, and I think that's something that every individual should have. And it seems a waste for a musically-interested person to start an instrument (guitar, in this case), progress a little bit, and then hit a brick wall because of a bad foundation.
There's no problem with learning songs to have fun, just realize that that's just a glimpse through the keyhole into the world of music performance and study. I say to learn piano because piano is MUCH more visually helpful when understand our contemporary Western music system. Guitar can be daunting when learning technical things like scales and such, and they seem to become an exercise in memorization rather than musical development. |
What difference does it make if piano is VISUALLY helpful? You play with your ears, not your eyes. I think the important is not how the scale looks on a piano (or a guitar), but the relationship between the notes and how they sound within the scale.
That said I think chucking a bunch of music theory at someone potentially interested is a great way to get them to give up. Its too much for no reward. Get someone to teach you a song, and explain why it works. Tie theory into practice. I got shown songs, and then started to be able to pick things up by ear, and only then did the theory begin to make sense as my ears got better and better.
Hell I find it excruiatingly boring to sit an practice scales all day and all the theory things. I do it, but only because I love playing music, and I want to be the best player I can. When it comes to song writing with my band, I play what sounds good in the context of what we are doing. The technical and theoretical merit isn't even a consideration. We are an indie band, we aren't like Mozart and don't want to be. We play music to have fun, and make people jump and dance like crazy. Its not a p***ing contest about who knows the most theory.
But back on track, guitar is both easy and hard to learn. You need to be both interested and dedicated. For beginner instruments, look at perhaps a Fender DG-8 |
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Scar Lifeless Person

Joined: 15 Dec 2004 Posts: 6125 Location: Chuck Norris's nightmares.
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Posted: Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:19 pm Post subject: |
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I really am more interested in learning the play the piano. i think it sounds far more beautiful than a guitar does, but it really does seem complicated. I have found some sites that help teach music theory on a piano so i should be getting better soon.
So far i've only really memorized how to play songs on it, but im unsure why they work the way they do, but i'll get there. then i'll learn guitar. Piano is more of my passion. _________________ http://www.damnidunno.com | http://www.RebX.net |
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Lyth Server Ninja

Joined: 13 Nov 2004 Posts: 1646 Location: Socorro, New Mexico, USA
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Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2008 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I recommend a piano teacher. Learning the very foundations and basics on your own is very difficult, and bad habits tend to (if not, always) form, which become hard to correct later on. Have a teacher show you the basics of technique and theory, and if you want, you can continue taking lessons or go learn on your own.
I took lessons from a teacher when I first got into piano and music. After having learned the basics, I started self-teaching from there. Works well if you have the patience and perseverance, and saves money.
| exsanguination wrote: | What difference does it make if piano is VISUALLY helpful? You play with your ears, not your eyes. I think the important is not how the scale looks on a piano (or a guitar), but the relationship between the notes and how they sound within the scale.
That said I think chucking a bunch of music theory at someone potentially interested is a great way to get them to give up. Its too much for no reward. Get someone to teach you a song, and explain why it works. Tie theory into practice. I got shown songs, and then started to be able to pick things up by ear, and only then did the theory begin to make sense as my ears got better and better.
Hell I find it excruiatingly boring to sit an practice scales all day and all the theory things. I do it, but only because I love playing music, and I want to be the best player I can. When it comes to song writing with my band, I play what sounds good in the context of what we are doing. The technical and theoretical merit isn't even a consideration. We are an indie band, we aren't like Mozart and don't want to be. We play music to have fun, and make people jump and dance like crazy. Its not a p***ing contest about who knows the most theory. |
And this is the biased opinion of one who plays by ear (and that of an indie band). Not that there's anything wrong with it, but mind you, playing by ear and playing by sheet music (and hence, knowledge of theory) are just as equally important... if not, they go hand and hand. _________________ I talk to the rain |
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