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QuickGold
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Peace upon everyone,
I'm a Muslim and I'm proud to be a Muslim, until the day the World Trade Centre was destryod by those who use the name of Islam.
I don't mind if you think Islam has relation with terror as the name of Islam has been miss-used by so many people to do bad things, making my religion looks so terible.
The reason why I posted this thread is to know, do you think my religion, Islam is the source of terrorism?
What makes you think like that? Please answer it sincerely, as I want to know why so many people out there who hate us eventhough we do not support terror.
One of the biggest proof is, when North Korea and Iran both are developing Nuclear activties, America and its ally, are focusing more on Iran eventhough North Korea had develop the nuclear further than Iran.
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| I'm a Muslim and can be proud of being one as Islam is only the unjustified source of certain terrorist acts. You are right with many of the points mentioned, Islam does not condone terrorism or related acts and the associations by the media linking terrorism to Islam are incorrect. Islam does not deserve to have the negative connotations it has currently as this was only the result of extremist groups or sects incorrectly using the Quran's scriptures to rationalise their plans. Those that look at Islam in a negative manner are usually uninformed, and I dislike using that term as it is only a result of misleading information delivered mainly through the media. |
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QuickGold
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so, I'm not the only Muslim here. I hope more people especially non-muslim can share their opinions here.
by the way, krt
I'm living in a country which is an Islamic country, so I don't really feel this unfair action against Muslim by certain people. Since you're living in Australia which is not a fully Islamic country, how do other people (non-Muslim) treat Muslim there?
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Neil
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It is incorrect to say that Islam is the source of terrorism. The religion itself has played a big part in terrorism over the past few years, but the religion did not produce what is known as terrorism.
I will tell you, however, that the main reason why many (but not all) United Statesians have such a "grudge" against Muslims is because of George Bush, Jr. Time and time again, Mr. Bush refers to terrorist groups as "Islamic terrorist groups." He makes a very broad generalization that isn't completely accurate, thus proclaiming the message that all Muslims are terrorists. This causes the media to do the same, and it gives people a bad image of the religion as a whole. I am not an Islam scholar myself, but I have noticed that there is one denomination of Islam in particular that creates distress. Even if Mr. Bush specified which denomination creates a vast majority of the problems, United Statesians enjoy twisting words to believe what they want to believe. The biased outcome is a society of people who believe that Islam is a violent religion.
Like krt said, the misleading information is generally received from the media.
Saddam Hussein is also another figure who created the image that Muslims are terrorists. Same with Osama bin Laden. The people that put out the image that Islam is terrorism need to be eliminated in order to change that image.
I have been to Dubai and Islamic cities in India. Muslims are nice people. Most are very peaceful. |
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Xtreme
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While I don't find it at all accurate to claim that Islam=terrorism or that Muslim=terrorist, I DO find it somewhat unsettling that even the most friendly and personable Muslim appears to have either great personal difficulty or sheer resistance to admitting the wrongs and atrocities committed by their nominal brethren.
For example, I've seen Muslims avoid disagreeing with and even refuse to condemn the actions related to Hesbola, etc. etc. It seems that Muslims cannot - whether by some scriptural teaching or some kind of personal belief - condemn even the most clearly evil acts of anyone else who considers themselves Islamic. They will often say "I do not support terrorism," while shying away from admitting that a certain group is, in fact, terrorist and self-serving.
| Quote: | | Islam does not deserve to have the negative connotations it has currently as this was only the result of extremist groups or sects incorrectly using the Quran's scriptures to rationalise their plans. |
Heres another thing: what makes a group "extremist?" And what constitutes irrational interpretation of Islamic scripture? How can any Muslim claim that another's interpretation of their scripture is wrong and unjustified?
I often see Muslims claim that their "untranslated" or "unaltered" scripture somehow is a point in support of their faith. What good is untranslated scripture if there is no sure-fire way to say when someone oversteps themselves and - though they might be in literal accordance with the scripture - is no longer acting in a manner that the scripture actually condones?
To me, this is why Islam is so open to terrorists using it as a starting point: the individual Muslim has NO WAY to tell if a certain interpretation of their scripture is any better or worse than another one. It doesn't help that the religion's faith is not backed by good reason.
As a disclaimer, I think the following is just one possible situation. What happens when you find Person X - who is lacking a good education and has had friends killed by Western soldiers for whatever reason - who subscribes to the Islamic faith simply because they were born into it? That person must, implicitly, hold a faith not built upon a foundation of logic and reason but rather a faith built upon local tradition and pride; and therefore, Person X faithfully follows what they are told so long as that teaching does not seem to flatly contradict the Koran. Okay, then what? Well, since reason and logic don't make that big of an appearance in Islam, a person will find it much easier to throw both of those to the wind and hop onto whatever the local terrorist "sect" of Islam tells them is true. They cite a few scripture passages, make a few passionate remarks, and BAM, you've got someone who's ready to fight for something they think they believe in.
Once again, that's just one vague possibility, but I think it's a very real one that could easily happen these days.
Also, an even greater problem with the perception of Islam is that no one single person or group speaks for it. It is splintered and divided and lacks a group that can say to the rest of the world's religions, "This, this, and this is what all of us believe." Obviously, this creates ambiguity and confusion, almost discrediting whatever a single Muslim leader says, since he is likely to be plainly contradicted by a different, equally influential leader of a different sect.
To stress, I'm not saying that I necessarily believe in all of these things, just saying that these are some of the things that contribute to the association between Islam and terrorism. |
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Rashy
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I am certain that terrorism sponsored by "Muslims" started much the same way that the Westboro Baptist Church was founded. Some lunatic read the Holy Scriptures (each to their own faith  ) and came up with a crackpot interpretation that he forced upon others.
The only difference between WBC and terrorists is the WBC people don't resort to violence.
You will actually find that many terrorists attacks are done for political, not religious, reasons. In one of his tapes, bin Laden admitted that the reasons for 9/11 was because of U.S. occupation of the Saudi peninsula and missile attacks on Iraq (during the first Gulf War).
In order to recruit fanatics, they claim that there is a holy war going on. Its the good ol' days when it was the Christians vs. Muslims a la Crusade style and he who gives the most for Allah gets to have a pile of virgins when they get to heaven.
They just forget to mention that everything is political and not religious. 
Besides, there are a lot of other terrorists that aren't Islamic.
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| This is also true. Scripture (or interpretation or misinterpretation of it) is being applied to hidden (or perhaps not even hidden) political agenda. |
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wahedmenelnas
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| Neil wrote: | It is incorrect to say that Islam is the source of terrorism. The religion itself has played a big part in terrorism over the past few years, but the religion did not produce what is known as terrorism.
I will tell you, however, that the main reason why many (but not all) United Statesians have such a "grudge" against Muslims is because of George Bush, Jr. Time and time again, Mr. Bush refers to terrorist groups as "Islamic terrorist groups." He makes a very broad generalization that isn't completely accurate, thus proclaiming the message that all Muslims are terrorists. This causes the media to do the same, and it gives people a bad image of the religion as a whole. I am not an Islam scholar myself, but I have noticed that there is one denomination of Islam in particular that creates distress. Even if Mr. Bush specified which denomination creates a vast majority of the problems, United Statesians enjoy twisting words to believe what they want to believe. The biased outcome is a society of people who believe that Islam is a violent religion.
Like krt said, the misleading information is generally received from the media.
Saddam Hussein is also another figure who created the image that Muslims are terrorists. Same with Osama bin Laden. The people that put out the image that Islam is terrorism need to be eliminated in order to change that image.
I have been to Dubai and Islamic cities in India. Muslims are nice people. Most are very peaceful. |
i like ur opinion so much
i'm muslim too
and i love islam
i respect other religions and faithes
but u r one of the small number of people that respect islam in the west
i'm egyptian and we have many bad muslims here
but that doesnt mean islam is bad
i'm amuslim and i think i'm good (in respecting other people and i'm not aterrorist of course)
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dylan2xs
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| Well as I know all religions, if taken out of context, can promote violence. I cannot think of a single religion that has not killed members of another. you can call it terrorism or crusades.. just remember that during the Crusades the Pope promised the Crusaders paradise if they died while fighting the infidel well doesn't it soud familiar? This is just one of many instances demonstrating the corruption of the church. Here's another important fact, it had been four centuries sense a sermon was preached in the common language of the people. It would also be another four centuries before the first Bible, Wycliffes, would come to exist. The men who fought were not Christians. To be Christian is to know Christ. They could not have known Him. So, such an argument suggesting Biblical Christianity is not better than Islam is void. Also, it's not like the Muslims only started being after the Crusades. They had gone off conquering Arabia long before. |
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wahedmenelnas
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no religion tells people to kill for it
people who use religion to reach what they want
influence or money
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marinaroz
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The way I see it, Islam as a religion should not to be blamed for terrorism. The problem isn't the religion itself, the problem is that political leaders use that religion in order to promote policies of terrorism.
This kind of religion warping always happens where politics come into play, it's just happening to Islam now.
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wahedmenelnas
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| marinaroz wrote: | The way I see it, Islam as a religion should not to be blamed for terrorism. The problem isn't the religion itself, the problem is that political leaders use that religion in order to promote policies of terrorism.
This kind of religion warping always happens where politics come into play, it's just happening to Islam now. |
THATS TRUE
but its not only about politicians
its about people who loves religion
but think that they protect religion wth killing people
i mean the other problem is that there r some muslim people that dont understand islam well
they dont bother themselves to read and search themselves and they just hear from their bosses that the solution for islam is killing people or destroying smthng or whatever
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memoryproblems
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The other day in school i was engaged in an argument with an elderly substitute teacher, and the topic ranged to Barack Obama, at which the teacher started placing refernces to Islam and such.
Thats relavant becasue I think alot of people are discriminatory because their confused about the whole situation, they get the races confused, and whats more, they just have discrimination hard-ingrained into their personality.
During the cold war alot of propaganda was passed around blaming people, and its just kinda made people feel its ok to blame others for the problems society is suffering. Its going to become less and less, but it'll take a long time to dissapate.
As for the assoiation between Islam and Terrorism, its a tradegy that this assoiation has even been made, Its alot like Hitler blaming the Jews for the ills of german society in the 1920's and 1930's. Its unfortunate, but its reality, and theres not a whole lot we can do to combat it.
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All false religions are, in their own way, acts of terrorism and rebellion against God. Whether that false religion be Islam or Judaism or Protestantism their very existence militate against the Divinely established Religion that being Christianity.
Rebellion is an act of terrorism and therefore if you are not a Catholic you are a terrorist by definition. It doesn't matter if you do not commit any physical violence, your merely belonging to a false religion does violence to God.
Christianity is the only true Religion and the Catholic Church the only true Church. Those who are outside the Catholic Church are neither Christian nor entitled to entry into heaven.
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When will you realize that no one really cares? You come off more often than not as an overgrown troll, especially when your posts have less to do with the topic and hand and more to do with your insistence that you're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong.
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