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Rashy
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | It doesn't matter if you do not commit any physical violence, your merely belonging to a false religion does violence to God. |
God will accept you if you are a Catholic or not.
John 3:16
| John 3:16 wrote: | | For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
Romans 10:9
| Romans 10:9 wrote: | | That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. |
Anybody can be forgiven and given eternity in Heaven as long as you truly believe in God and His son Jesus. Notice it doesn't say "That if you attend the Catholic Church only then you will be saved."
Now, back on topic...
| memoryproblems wrote: | The other day in school i was engaged in an argument with an elderly substitute teacher, and the topic ranged to Barack Obama, at which the teacher started placing refernces to Islam and such.
Thats relavant becasue I think alot of people are discriminatory because their confused about the whole situation, they get the races confused, and whats more, they just have discrimination hard-ingrained into their personality. |
Unfortunately the discrimination against Muslims will continue for a long time, but there is some hope. Look at Japan. During WWII we threw many Japanese-Americans into internment camps. Today, we love them  We haven't thrown any American Muslims into internment camps.
The only difference is that Japan was a developed nation... I think that if we help to develop the Middle East, then terrorism from that area will calm down.
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linuxdoctor
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| Rashy wrote: | | linuxdoctor wrote: | | It doesn't matter if you do not commit any physical violence, your merely belonging to a false religion does violence to God. |
God will accept you if you are a Catholic or not.
John 3:16
| John 3:16 wrote: | | For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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No, God will accept you only if you are one of His. Sinners, infidels and heretics do not belong to God. Only those in the state of sanctifying grace belong to God since only they possess eternal life. Sinners do not.
As to the quote from John, this is a deliberate mistranslation. That should read ".. that whoever believes in Him may be saved." There is no guarantee of salvation for anybody. There is, however, a guarantee of condemnation for unbelief.
| Mark 16:16 wrote: | | He who believes and is baptized will be saved; he who does not believe will be condemned. |
All those who are faithful to the true Christian Religion (Catholicism) will be saved. Those who do not believe the True Faith (Jews, Muslims, Protestants, etc.) will be condemned.
| Romans 10:9 wrote: | | That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. |
Here, St. Paul is speaking to the converts of Rome, not to just to anybody. They already are Christians, have been baptized and are living a Christian life. This does not refer to pagans, infidels or heretics but to believers. St. Paul, therefore, is saying that so long as you continue to believe, and by belief St. Paul means everything that they are required to believe, then you will be saved. This passage applies only to those who are already Christians, not to Protestants or other heretics, infidels or pagans. One cannot simply one day wake up and 'profess' Jesus and be saved as so many Protestant/Fundamentalist cults profess. Being saved is a life-long process through which only those who persevere to the end will be accomplish. The Protestant/Fundamentalist view of instant and perpetual salvation (as per Calvin's concept of "eternal security") is hogwash.
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Anybody can be forgiven and given eternity in Heaven as long as you truly believe in God and His son Jesus. Notice it doesn't say "That if you attend the Catholic Church only then you will be saved." |
This concept of 'attending' Church as opposed to being part of the body of Christ which is the Church. (cf. Col. 1:24) is a uniquely Protestant one. They see 'church' as buildings and congregations and Sunday School. For Christians, the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ, comprised of all the saints in heaven, those undergoing final cleansing in Purgatory and those true Christians on earth. "My kingdom is not of this world," said Christ but for Protestants, they have created their own little 'churches' as communities pretending to believe in Christ. God, speaking to the Sacred Council of Trent said, | Catechism of the Council of Trent wrote: | | those societies arrogating to themselves the name of 'church,' must necessarily, because guided by the spirit of the devil, be sunk in the most pernicious errors, both doctrinal and moral." |
| clpo wrote: | | When will you realize that no one really cares? You come off more often than not as an overgrown troll, especially when your posts have less to do with the topic and hand and more to do with your insistence that you're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong. |
Fundamentally, it doesn't matter whether people care of not. If you take me seriously at all then the joke's on you. It certainly amuses me to think that you do. 
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Of course I don't take you seriously. I stopped taking you seriously the first time you went on one of your "homosexuals are better than heterosexuals" rants. That doesn't change the fact that you're fundamentally nothing more than a troll, posting either to get people riled up or to get points.
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linuxdoctor
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Nothing more? Probably. The Linux Doctor is really a caricature. He is not a real person so any insult you may throw his way is lost in effect. The real person behind the caricature doesn't much care either.
Is the Linux Doctor a troll? Not likely. He has never seen the underside of a bridge in his life, except for the dirty old lady down the street who seduced him to perform unnatural acts in order to 'cure' him of his gayness.
The trolls are the people who want to censor the internet and are coming out from under those bridges trying to turn freedom into the slavery of captialiso-communistic democratic fascism.
Whatever that means.
The key rule is to not take things around you too seriously, and most importantly, do not take yourself seriously at all.
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| Quote: | | captialiso-communistic democratic fascism |
Nice term there.  
Caricature or no, "the Linux Doctor" is a master of getting post points and at least moderately adept at stirring up trouble.
| Quote: | | Is the Linux Doctor a troll? Not likely. He has never seen the underside of a bridge in his life, except for the dirty old lady down the street who seduced him to perform unnatural acts in order to 'cure' him of his gayness. |
 Prayers all around. Somewhat hoping that's in the spirit of "artistic" license.
| Quote: | | The key rule is to not take things around you too seriously, and most importantly, do not take yourself seriously at all. |
Of course. One must always try with the highest degree of effort to take nothing seriously.
But a world filled with flippant, whimsical airheads might be potentially amusing for a bit. |
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | Rashy wrote: | | linuxdoctor wrote: | | It doesn't matter if you do not commit any physical violence, your merely belonging to a false religion does violence to God. |
God will accept you if you are a Catholic or not.
John 3:16
| John 3:16 wrote: | | For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. |
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No, God will accept you only if you are one of His. Sinners, infidels and heretics do not belong to God. Only those in the state of sanctifying grace belong to God since only they possess eternal life. Sinners do not.
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If I remember one thing from those RE classes its: "Jesus welcomed everybody, including sinners". Statement broken.
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As to the quote from John, this is a deliberate mistranslation. That should read ".. that whoever believes in Him may be saved." There is no guarantee of salvation for anybody. There is, however, a guarantee of condemnation for unbelief.
| Mark 16:16 wrote: | | He who believes and is baptized will be saved; he who does not believe will be condemned. |
All those who are faithful to the true Christian Religion (Catholicism) will be saved. Those who do not believe the True Faith (Jews, Muslims, Protestants, etc.) will be condemned.
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See above.
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| Romans 10:9 wrote: | | That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. |
Here, St. Paul is speaking to the converts of Rome, not to just to anybody. They already are Christians, have been baptized and are living a Christian life. This does not refer to pagans, infidels or heretics but to believers. St. Paul, therefore, is saying that so long as you continue to believe, and by belief St. Paul means everything that they are required to believe, then you will be saved. This passage applies only to those who are already Christians, not to Protestants or other heretics, infidels or pagans. One cannot simply one day wake up and 'profess' Jesus and be saved as so many Protestant/Fundamentalist cults profess. Being saved is a life-long process through which only those who persevere to the end will be accomplish. The Protestant/Fundamentalist view of instant and perpetual salvation (as per Calvin's concept of "eternal security") is hogwash. |
See first response
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(this is way too easy)
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Anybody can be forgiven and given eternity in Heaven as long as you truly believe in God and His son Jesus. Notice it doesn't say "That if you attend the Catholic Church only then you will be saved." |
This concept of 'attending' Church as opposed to being part of the body of Christ which is the Church. (cf. Col. 1:24) is a uniquely Protestant one. They see 'church' as buildings and congregations and Sunday School. For Christians, the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ, comprised of all the saints in heaven, those undergoing final cleansing in Purgatory and those true Christians on earth. "My kingdom is not of this world," said Christ but for Protestants, they have created their own little 'churches' as communities pretending to believe in Christ.
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Your 'saviour' also said that everybody was welcome. And your 'church' has been part of many crimes in the past. I'll give it a head start: Crusades (they murdered entire cities that had nothing to do with it), Spanish Inquisition (they sure never said no against it) , the whole "your sins are gone if you pay ....... <insert whatever currency here>", and so on.
Before you praise something, please learn its history.
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God, speaking to the Sacred Council of Trent said, | Catechism of the Council of Trent wrote: | | those societies arrogating to themselves the name of 'church,' must necessarily, because guided by the spirit of the devil, be sunk in the most pernicious errors, both doctrinal and moral." |
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First of all that text was written during time of war with the protestants.
They were angry cause they lost a lot of their financial income cause of all the protestants that left the catholic church. (History-101; 1500->1800)
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| clpo wrote: | | When will you realize that no one really cares? You come off more often than not as an overgrown troll, especially when your posts have less to do with the topic and hand and more to do with your insistence that you're right and anyone who disagrees is wrong. |
Fundamentally, it doesn't matter whether people care of not. If you take me seriously at all then the joke's on you. It certainly amuses me to think that you do. |
I'll make a nice little list of your performances since you joined the community:
- Make gays look bad
- Catholic church is officially against gays, protestants are less against it still you support the catholic church more then anybody else on this forum.
- You started acting arrogant
- Ungrounded statements
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | Nothing more? Probably. The Linux Doctor is really a caricature. He is not a real person so any insult you may throw his way is lost in effect. The real person behind the caricature doesn't much care either. |
My intention is to throw a spear through the caricature so it meets the face of the person behind it.
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Is the Linux Doctor a troll? Not likely. He has never seen the underside of a bridge in his life, except for the dirty old lady down the street who seduced him to perform unnatural acts in order to 'cure' him of his gayness.
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What you define as unnatural is not of our concerns. Go and troll another forum. I heard gaiaonline.com needs new trolls, pay them a visit.
| linuxdoctor wrote: | | The trolls are the people who want to censor the internet and are coming out from under those bridges trying to turn freedom into the slavery of captialiso-communistic democratic fascism. |
O_o is all what I have to say about it.
| Quote: | | captialiso-communistic democratic fascism |
That doesn't make sense at all. capitalism and communism are two directly opposite things.
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Whatever that means.
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | The key rule is to not take things around you too seriously, and most importantly, do not take yourself seriously at all. |
I can understand that you don't take yourself seriously.
You and your statements are usually one big joke. Your arrogance is bigger then your head. So if we'd shoot above your head you'd probably die cause we hit you in your arrogance.
In the end, if you'd leave this forum it wouldn't be a big loss for the community.
And a conclusion of the first part of this little response:
I don't like any form of Christianity at all.
Still I think Protestantism is a lot better then Catholicism.
The oooooh sooooo mighty Catholic church is a bunch of criminals in the end (see above for reasons). Too bad they've never been punished...
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| SolidRaven wrote: | I can understand that you don't take yourself seriously.
You and your statements are usually one big joke. Your arrogance is bigger then your head. So if we'd shoot above your head you'd probably die cause we hit you in your arrogance. |
It's rather interesting how inferiors pretend to be superior. You can never top me.
| SolidRaven wrote: | n the end, if you'd leave this forum it wouldn't be a big loss for the community.
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Probably. The same can be said of you, or anybody. A flaw in the human character I suppose.
| SolidRaven wrote: | | I don't like any form of Christianity at all. |
Be thankful that you are allowed to express that opinion. Protestants/Fundamentalists would have it otherwise.
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i dont agree with that
what i run with :
mine is right and maybe wrong and the others stuff is wrong and maybe right
no one can be sure 100 % that he is right
as we r all humans
everyone makes mistakes
no one is on the right way always
so we must accept others points of view even if we dont think so
every body have the right to be respected
if he wants the people to respect him
he must respect them
he can say his opinion
but every body has an opinion
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LinuxDoctor, I think you have been reading too much Maddox. You sound exactly like him: "I'm right, you're wrong. No matter what."
| Quote: | | It's rather interesting how inferiors pretend to be superior. |
How do you define superiority?
| Quote: | The trolls are the people who want to censor the internet and are coming out from under those bridges trying to turn freedom into the slavery of captialiso-communistic democratic fascism.
Whatever that means. |
It sounds like you are just copy-pasting from some gay-Catholic-pride pamphlet. Do you really even know what you are saying most of the time? Did anyone even mention censorship?
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| wahedmenelnas wrote: | i dont agree with that
what i run with :
mine is right and maybe wrong and the others stuff is wrong and maybe right
no one can be sure 100 % that he is right
as we r all humans
everyone makes mistakes
no one is on the right way always
so we must accept others points of view even if we dont think so
every body have the right to be respected
if he wants the people to respect him
he must respect them
he can say his opinion
but every body has an opinion |
That is why I have no respect for linuxdoctor. That is also why I bash gays all the time. |
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First everyone needs to understand is what they mean when they say ISLAM. The religion in itself or the people following the religion. All would agree that no religion advocates terrorism. It's just that some fanatic followers do things under it's cover and ISLAM gets all the blame.
Even if majority of ISLAM followers do terror related activities, the religion cannot be blamed for the same. But that's not the case here, people straight forward blames Islam then the people responsible. Rate all terror related activities on the same scale, i.e. blaming religion which the people responsible follows, and you will find no religion is better. |
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No religion preaches violence yes not even islam it is only the crooked man who actually twists the readings to justify killing and destruction that is bad .Justification in the name of Jihad .. is deliberate misinterpretation of the Holy Koran and the teachings in the name of Allah.
It is such people who are the wrong ones .
What justifies brainwashing a child of only 12 to hack another human being in the name of allah . this is inhuman where does Koran justify or glorify such and action.
I have no idea about other countries i can speak about what i see in india . muslims count among a greater proportion of the poor because family planning is forbiddened . large families leads to further poverty and lack of money mean lesser education desperation and forcing youth to the path of wrong . ( in the name of what jihad )
It is rather unfortunate as all religion actually wants spread is the message of peace coexistence and tolerance .
Why blame the west as to how they view islam this is how they view everything in an extreame way .
We need to address the problems of education poverty and the rapid increase of population related problems i am sure the world will change its view
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so i'm so happy with that discussion
then i think its kind of a positive discussion
we dont have to offense other people ideologies
every body has the right to choose what is his way
and we r just in a discussion
not afight
so i'm so happy with that
that forum is really a great community for ideologies discussion
and at the end
every body is free
and we dont hate each other
actually
we should love each other
as we r not enemies
we just have different ideas
and that is so normal
so
i'm so happy with that
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| Well Islam certainly has violent overtones. There is an undeniable history of violence in Islam. However certain rules exist like killing innocent women and children is forbidden. In short, Terrorism is not mandated by Islam. Terrorism is politically motivated and in the case of Muslim Terrorism, Islam is just a tool used to manipulate. but You have to think about other examples of terrorism like in Israel where a lot of Muslims are called "terrorists." Not against the US, but against Israel. Personally, but i try to understand their point of view cause they consider that Israel has stolen their land, Palestinian suicide bombers are called terrorists but they consider themselves soldiers, I'm quite sure that other history speak of war and that other religions have had their own battles. I think Islam is a religion that calls for peace and brotherhood between all people whatever their religion is. |
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