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ruyss
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I believe that he existed because there has been scientific proof for that. So that he did exist is a fact and you can't really discuss that. What he was exactly, I don't know. I'll never believe the so-called miracles he did if you believe the bible, but I do think that he had quite a lot of influence.
We'll never know I guess, until someone invents a time machine  .
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marinaroz
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I think Jesus might have been a real historical character, however, the circumstances of his birth as wall as man of his alleged exploits are completely bogus. I'd settle for Jesus being a local cult leader of some sort, he got in trouble, got himself crucified and been made a martyr.
Virgin births. sons of gods, food that multiplies itself and so on are just miraculous motifs which can be found in other religions as well. Those were obviously added to decorate the story.
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| ruyss wrote: | | I believe that he existed because there has been scientific proof for that. So that he did exist is a fact and you can't really discuss that. What he was exactly, I don't know. I'll never believe the so-called miracles he did if you believe the bible, but I do think that he had quite a lot of influence. |
I, for one, would be most interested to see this scientific proof of his existence. Surely the bloke would have at least a grave to see if his might was so great. There would be memorials everywhere, and there would be more than just a single book regarding the life and times of a man who could perform miracles, cure the ill, yet not save his own life in deeply suspicious circumstances to say the least.
Any take I have on the writings have no relevance whatsoever with the factual happenings of the time he was allegedly in existence, a point in which time, countless writings were recorded of current events, which takes me back to my initial point regarding only one book ever being written regarding "Jesus".
We all know that the original Old Testament is nothing short of a long and drawn out fairy tale, and I see no reason to believe that The New Testament is very much different.
So yes, I would be more than happy to review the scientific findings of his existence, which would probably rebut the official history of the factual history of The World.
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elven
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| marinaroz wrote: | I think Jesus might have been a real historical character, however, the circumstances of his birth as wall as man of his alleged exploits are completely bogus. I'd settle for Jesus being a local cult leader of some sort, he got in trouble, got himself crucified and been made a martyr.
Virgin births. sons of gods, food that multiplies itself and so on are just miraculous motifs which can be found in other religions as well. Those were obviously added to decorate the story. |
i totally aggree with this one 
also each religion has a holy man performing some sort of miracles
if you do not believe the other religions miracles why do you believe jesus performed them?
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| kdpk wrote: | | There are many proofs that jesus did exist - if jesus didnt exist - then how did he perform all of those miracles ? |
So you trust a 1900 year old book?
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| SolidRaven wrote: | | kdpk wrote: | | There are many proofs that jesus did exist - if jesus didnt exist - then how did he perform all of those miracles ? |
So you trust a 1900 year old book? |
And I still await the scientific proof.....
When someone can give me actual facts, and hard evidence that he existed, I will sit up and take notice. Thus far no-ne has nor can, therefore I will refuse to be drawn into any sort of thinking other than he can not possibly be the person that those practising The Bible are drawn to believe. Possibly there was some sort of cult hero, but not recorded in any historical books of the time, which is highly unlikely. So I refer people to my previous statement, in that until such time as I see hard facts and a reliable source, I refuse to believe such a person existed, nor will I be moved on my personal opinion that the whole book is nothing short of a fabricated fairy tale.
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