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linuxdoctor
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| Scar wrote: | | You obviously do not use photoshop. You really compare the two honestly, if you did you would truly understand what i am saying, and what millions of others are saying. You can go ahead and reply and say that you use photoshop or have alot in the past, when in truth there is no possible way that you could. |
Well, no I do not use Photoshop and that's because I don't need to produce publication quality output. The truth is most people don't need or use most of the features that Photoshop has anyway which means they don't need Photoshop either. In fact, most people who use Photoshop at home have a pirated copy which means they shouldn't even be using Photoshop in the first place. Are you one of those? For the average home user, like probably all of us here, Gimp is just as good as Photoshop and it has the advantage of being Free Software which means you don't need to pirate it and you won't go to jail if you are caught with it in your possession.
It's unfair to compare the two products anyway since they are products catering to two different kinds of users. It is even more unfair to to compare Linux to Windows based on whether Photoshop runs on it or not. That is comparing apples to oranges.
For the most part people don't 'like' linux because it isn't Windows. Period.
I've got a couple of URLs to discussions on GIMP vs Photoshop but for some reason the forum barfs (error 406 - Unacceptable) when I include them.
| Scar wrote: | | Linux has been around for a REALLY long time now, and it still hasn't massively taken off. There is a reason for that. Why ignore it? |
I presume that you are implying that Windows is a better system than Linux. I and others have addressed this before: it's because M$ has a monopoly that it protects with intimidation, anti-linux FUD and illegal activities. Anybody who knows the history of the early days of PCs knows the story and quality products from M$ does not figure into the story in the least. Windows is in no way, shape or form better than linux and everybody who knows the facts, including M$, knows it. Windows is just crap. Period!
But that's not really the reason I don't use Windows anyway. It's M$'s illegal and immoral business practices.
In any case, one writer on the Gimp vs Photoshop controversy made an interesting observation. Gimp is at version 2.1 something and Photoshop is somewhere around 6 now. He asked if people remember what Photoshop was like around version 4. He thought that Photoshop before version 5 came out was pretty lame and that Gimp the way it is now is better than Photoshop version 4. Sure, Gimp has got a way to go but it is still in it's early versions compared to Photoshop. Photoshop is a mature product, Gimp is still pretty new.
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | Scar wrote: | | You obviously do not use photoshop. You really compare the two honestly, if you did you would truly understand what i am saying, and what millions of others are saying. |
Well, no I do not use Photoshop and that's because I don't need to produce publication quality output. The truth is most people don't need or use most of the features that Photoshop has anyway. |
I actually use both the Gimp and Photoshop, depending on where I am and what computer I'm using.
I do agree with Scar that Photoshop is better. It just has some more functionality. However, I also agree with linuxdoctor, I guess there are just a few people out there who really need those features.
I mean, I really wouldn't care about CMYK colors, and most people won't. Next to that the newest versions of Photoshop have a few really nice new feautures and more plugins, but probably it won't take really long before they're implemented in The Gimp.
The reason most photoshop users are to afraid to really try the gimp is actually it's user interface. The Gimp user interface is quite ****, especially when running on windows since windows has no virtual desktops and no way to keep windows on top.
I really think 80% of the Photoshop users don't need/use the features that are missing in the gimp, and they could just switch to the gimp if those people would just give it a real chance.
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| linuxdoctor wrote: | | For the most part people don't 'like' linux because it isn't Windows. Period. |
On the contrary, a lot of people like linux because it isn't Windows too. A lot of people give linux a try for their first time because they're tired of Windows and want to try an alternative.
I also agree with Scar that Photoshop is much better than Gimp, but yes I also agree that most people would be fine with what Gimp has to offer. I have to do some post-production on my photos, so Photoshop is my choice of software for obvious reasons, but Gimp is fine for day to day image cropping, resizing, and simple editing. I mean this is the reason why Skitch for OS X became so popular. It does so many simple things so seamlessly that bloggers use it all the time, and it does what they want without having to touch Photoshop.
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I'd go for Ubuntu. It seems (for me) to be more stable than Debian and I like the package management system. The support forums are really good, the people there are really knowledgeable and always seem willing to help where they can.
I use Compiz Fusion because I like having a fancy desktop, I like it even more the fact that there's no lag like with the tatty 'effects' in Vista.
I've got my TV card working, I'm trying to configure MythTV to work the way I want it to, for some reason I can't get MythTV to work with my TV card, despite the fact it works with other applications.
But yeah I like Ubuntu, it's secure, stable and fast, and the server edition makes configuring a standard web server easy, it take about 20-30 minutes to install and configure Apache, MySQL, Bind, Webmin, Usermin, PHP, Postfix etc.
I run Ubuntu without any other OS installed, and I'm glad I do. All my programs work without problems and there's a lot more Linux games than the press would have you think. Ubuntu really is becoming a mainstream OS now, it's getting better with every release.
We run Fedora at school for the weird TV server we've got, I detest the operating system. For the fourth time I watched the TV as the power to the server was cycled because it froze......not a good impression =P |
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