Looking for opinion on our online site builder

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We are looking for opinions about our site builder from Hosting companies. We released it a month ago with a unique technology.

It is compatible with Internet Explorer, Firefox, Safari. It has advanced features as for instance a database creation / management (forms creation, etc,...) and a shopping cart.

The address is www.dragdropsitecreator.com

I am eager to get any feedback, positive and negative on it.

[LP-Shirl]

I personally don't like site builders because I prefer to use my knowledge to build a website, learning the coding and applying what I have learned.
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[Pfork]

Yes it makes sense. How did you start doing webdesign? Do you hand code everything?

And I like Dave Mattews too!

[LP-Shirl]

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I didn't know about neopets before you mentioned. I just tried and I like it. It seems to ba a funny site. I have a "Lupu" now. Do you have an animal too?

I admit that our site builder is meant more to people who want to do webdesigning without writing code (it is still possible to write code with the site builder, but that isn't the goal). However if you start in php, the advanced features can look good to you, because it allows you to use php scripts. There is paspagebuilder.com/packages.php with some already available and you can add your own. I think it is what can an advanced user as you are like. To see the advanced version, you have to choose "advanced" in the login page. To see how to add module, you can go to www.sqlf.com/login.php with username "iwdn" and password "12345". The modules can be added and removed from the "software update section"

After the site is created you can still work on the code. The output isn't yet clean enough but we're working on it.

Do you think it can be more interesting for the advanced version?

[LP-Shirl]

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I am very new to Forums myself, discovered it last month. But I start getting into it. Is it addictive?

I hope more people will give their opinion on the software. We need to improve it, but for this we need to know what Hosting co. need and what end users need as well. I guess not everybody is ready to write line of codes... hopefully

[LP-Shirl]

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So I am lost! Poor of me

Do you know of any niceforum where webdesigners and webhosting companies people go?

[Sausage Boy]

The sitebuilder was pretty cool, though I didn't think it made lots of sense. I couldn't find a way to delete anything

You should make it more obvious were the most important things are. I didn't take the tutorial, but I think you should be able to figure it out.
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[Charlotte]

It looks good, much better than i could do as i couldnt make one as i have no knowledge apart form HTML and im sure you used much more than HTML :0
If you just used Html than its sooooooooo cool
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[Pfork]

Thank you Blue day and Sausage boy.

The delete function for an element is actually easy to do. You just have to right click on an element (picture, text, etc) and select "delete" in the contextual menu. But if it doesn't work, please let me know... that would be a bug to fix. Which browser did you use?

Sometimes people don't expect some things to work the way they do in our software. They are used to seeing it in a software they installed on their computer, but not in a regular browser.

Can you tell me if you found the "delete" function and which are the other points you don't find intuitive enough in the software? We are working on building tutorials displaying in a help section to help first timers with our software in their discovery. And we rewrite the software along with your comments.

And yes there is more to it than HTML. There is a lot in Php. The code generated is HTML and Php. The database is MySQL.

Any feedback is a great and help to us to improve

[kutar]

Site builder? No...this kind of stuff is not good for a web-design beginner , which will make you lazy to learn html, path setting, web site structure.

I m prefer the beginner tried dreamweaver not the notepad, which have a syntax highlight, sytnax check, also tutorial! And you can choose using html or xhtml(which don't have some html tag and integrate the use of css)

Also html is a start of web programming(like php, perl). If you want your web site have more function and fancy, html is a must.

Start to make your web page by yourself, this is fun

[Lyth]

I haven't tried it out yet, but site builders are really cool; they're especially handy to those that have no knowledge of HTML and coding. It may hinder the production of those that already know HTML and web design coding though.

The main downfall of site builders is the code; humans always make better coders. Computers generally generate very messy and perhaps illegible code.

Personally, I think actually knowing HTML and applying your own unique style of coding is better than depending on some sitebuilder. But, it's there for those lazy people.
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Yes our primary goal, Lyth and Kutar, is to make first webdesign easier for newbies. I don't think my father is going to learn HTML or php... if he does I am impressed!

There is interesting features in the software for a webdesigner/webmaster too. With it, any of the webdesigner client(s) (probably not versed in HTML and php) can update anytime the website the webdesigner has created from any computer logged on the net... basically from a browser. No need to pay and install and learn Dreamweaver or Frontpage. So you build the design online - the client can see anytime how the project evolves from his browser and even make input himself/herself while you work on it - and when you finished it, the client can update it (from the content admin and even the site itself)... you can even lock what elements the client can modify/not modify... so that's a nice link between tech people who know how to code and those who don't have a clue about it.

In short it can radically change the way a webdesigner build and sell a website. Those sites have been built by a webdesigner with our software for instance; jon-linfoods.com and huile.com

You can even code yourself with our sitebuilder. We developped it originally with in mind the idea to make it a webdesign tool similar to Dreamweaver... but all online.

We want to make it one day a professional tool, but we want first to get newbies to site creation to use the technology and in the meantime improve the markup output to please webdesigners and developpers. When you try to use the advanced features, you'll see that you have a lot of tools allowing you to build a dynamic website with database. There is even a content admin, stats, packages to create a wiki, a forum, a live help, etc...

Actually the best way for you to see what you can do with it as a webdesigner, is to try it as an end user. For this you can go to www.sqlf.com/login.php with username "iwdn" and password "12345". The "software upload" section is where you can add advanced features (actually any php scripts). Some of the scripts (which we call packages) can be downloaded from www.paspagebuilder.com/packages.php and then installed in "software update" section.

So we try to have our sitebuilder being also a way for people who learn php to do it smoothly.

And all the feedback you can give along your try will be a fantastic way for us to make it better and better.