Looking for opinion on our online site builder

LP-Trel · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:45 am Post subject:

I see that Michael is already here. Sneaky one he is. Wink

I see they weren't too hard on you although they can be a rough bunch sometimes.
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LP-Shirl · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 4:59 am Post subject:

Goodness it's been al while since I first posted here. o_0 After some thinking I've decided that a page builder would help out quite a bit. If someone has little or no knowledge or any type of coding, they can see the coding after they design their pages with the site builder so it makes more sense to them.
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SoulJah · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:10 am Post subject:

Just out of curiousity, besides php what other languages and scripts are supported in it? I haven't tried it out yet but if thisWYSIWYG editor is going to move on maybe supporting more languages can help a lot. Smile

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Voldemort · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:14 am Post subject:

DUH!

This one is impressive! Trampoline

Nice clean Ajax, very easy to use! However, I would suggest making the user capable of editing the text content boxes on the fly, without the need of a new dumb reload. Just like vBulletin's and IPB's new quick post edit! Wink

Moreover, you definitely need a resize tool... Confused

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packagedeliverer · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 12:06 pm Post subject:

LP-Harvey · Forum Moderator Joined: 23 Feb 2004 Posts: 3283

I'm actually far more optimistic than Packagedelieverer, but I see where he's coming from. I don't mean to be cruel, but the tutorial is really poor.

BUT, I do like the actual software itself. The GUI does need improvement.

And there is one thing that I think is critical (but many may disagree), but missing. The ability to "snap to." Now I could have completely missed it, but I couldn't find a tool that would help you with alignment. Now it would be nice if you could "snap to an alignment," or at the least have guidelines. When trying to align text from one extreme to another (eg- top to bottom), its hard to get a feeling if your text (or graphics) is lined up properly.

This could turn out to be a really good product. I just feel that there could be a few things that could be more well refined.

As for PD's analogy to Pagebuilder, I think its pretty dead on.

spock · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:31 pm Post subject:

Leitzge · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 1:56 pm Post subject:

I'm agreeing with spock here. The demo could be hard for people to understand who don't speak English as their first language. Also, you should make the demo seem more professional. One example in particular is the typo, when you write 'thios' instead of this. Also, when you have multiple attempts at selecting all the text and getting rid of it. You should select it all at once (maybe have support for CTRL+A) and then simply press the backspace button. This is called marketing I guess, and you need to improve on it in order for this to become a success.
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watsonalgas · Lifeless Person Joined: 05 Apr 2005 Posts: 1117

Like Harvey said, I also thing there should be an alignment tool, maybe something as simple as a ruler, just to help keep things straight, which is sometimes hard to do just by looking at it. It's nice that you can place things wherever you want, but it would be even nicer if you could do that and be able to precisely align them also.

Another function that might ne nice would be an ""Undo." I know you can just re-open the file if you haven't saved the one you are working on yet, but that could get quite tiresome, as you would have to start all over again if you haven't been saving. Being able to undo things would make it a lot easier, I don't know how hard it would be to implement, but it seems like it would help a lot.

Other than, it seems like a pretty cool program.

Logan · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 2:54 pm Post subject:

I don't enjoy the use of website creators. It's a good way to start into the community, but after a while your mind should wake up and you should hand code websites. Also, have yet to see a a website creator program that spits out well made XHTML & CSS. All these programs make them in tables which in the new age computer world is stupid. And even if I did see that I still wouldn't use it. I believe that if you use these programs, you lose half the fun of it.

The program itself is nice and fluid, but I still don't like the idea.
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LP-Trel · Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2006 3:33 pm Post subject:

LP-Trel · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 1:09 am Post subject:

Good suggestions thus far. Smile

I'm sure Michael and the team will enjoy reading about your ideas.
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identical · Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 7:19 pm Post subject:

I have just try this online site builder. To be honest, I have no experience with such a builder like this. I'm really please with this, as it loads fast in my dial-up connection.

The interface is good, too. It show me how good an AJAX application would be. Very Happy

However, as LP-Harvey said, it needs improving. Maybe the "snap to" feature would be default, and when you want "micro editing", there would be an option to enable it.

I would give it a try again when I have enough time. Silly

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HeliosTech · Master Poster Joined: 19 Jan 2006 Posts: 226

Its a very complex software (I prefer like knowledge rocker to write html myself) I learned html at first in a basic web design class and then basically, by looking at source codes and stuff managed to teach myself the rest.
The site creator would be very good for beginners but the problem is, I am not a beginner and I had trouble trying to use it, maybe it's because I chose expert mode but I could not figure out how to change the template, or how to work most the stuff out properly.
For beginners people really like very simple things, like I remember homestead used to offer free hosting tools which were extremely easy to use (Picture of a counter - drag and drop to put onto your site)
It might make it somewhat simpler for the user if you created a client, so it did not run off of the web (things don't need to load or anything).
But other then those its a great, hope my input was helpful.
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clpo13 · Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject:

It's definitely useful, not to mention quite amazing. When I first tried the demo, I was expecting the elements to snap into predetermined positions, yet I was able to position things almost anywhere. That, however, presented an interesting problem when trying to line certain elements up. If an option for snapping to adjacent elements is possible, I'd say go for it. If not, I'm sure people will adapt.

Myself, I prefer hand-coding, simply because I like to have more control over the way my site outputs. So in the past, I've shunned most site-builders. However, this drag and drop concept completely redefines site-building. No longer do people have to make do with preset text and graphic areas. They can simply put it where they want. I like it.

Good job!
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