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Charlotte Blunt Comedian.
Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 1335 Location: London.
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:34 am Post subject: |
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| Can you slice and code PSD's on it? id really like to know |
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ClickFanatic Est. 2005

Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 3857
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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I am very impressed by this tool, because it's an amazing piece of scripting.
However, I am a bit disappointed by the ease-of-use of the interface.
It's all easy to do, but only if you know where and how to. I find the interface a bit uncomfortable to work with; I don't get a good overview of what I am doing at some points.
Maybe I am being a bit close-minded on this, since I have no problem hand-coding any site. But personally, and I think this counts for many people (also ones that don't know how to code), I get fed up with software quickly if I can't figure out how it works , if it doesn't look too well and/or when it is not working the way I was expecting it would.
Don't get me wrong here, your sitecreator is alright. It's got the functions and features, but it's mainly the interface which is not that good.
First of all, you need to change it's appearance. It needs a more smooth, clean theme (with pretty icons).
Secondly, you'll need to change the way content can be edited. I am not sure how you would best change this. Maybe you should have a look at other AJAX powered online editors (not only web editors) such as Writely. Use them a bit and see why you like the way certain features work, so you can try to apply the same technique in your own software.
Remember that your sitecreator is an online tool and that it is expected to work differently from off line software (such as Dreamweaver, etc.).
And a final note, the demo movie, which has been mentioned over and over already.
I find it a bit basic and not really helpful. I think you need to brainstorm a bit what the main features are that you want to show. Then think of the best way to present them.
There are some demo movies on LLP as well. I personally find them quite descriptive and straightforward, so you might want to have a look at them.
There are some companies that make howto movies for people, but I don't know of any. Perhaps Trel can tell you where and how he got his (unless he made them himself, of course ).
Well, hopefully my feedback was a bit useful to you. Maybe I'll have some more comments in the future, but otherwise I wish you lots of success with this project!  _________________ Captain Jell-O Buster from the Future
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LP-Trel Zen

Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 5721 Location: Nirvana by Boredom
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Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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I've put a bounty out for any tutorials or howto items such as the ones you have mentioned.
As far as I know it can't cut PSDs. _________________ * Knowledge Base * Wiki * Forum FAQs * |
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jellyware Novice Poster
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 31 Location: sydney australia
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| I saw Drag and drop site creator at digg. got a friend to download it to my host and had a play around with it. I'm told there was a problem with the install so some of it did'nt work properly, namely editing the menu items. So I decided to come here, I'm told you can get Drag and Drop Site Creator pre-installed to accounts here. My experience so far with the software is that it takes a little while to get the hang of it, especially the structure of the elements stored on other pages but it really is what-you-see-is-what-you-get fun for the beginner. Documentation is a little patchy and spread over a few places, I started editing the software's docuwiki which was a really fun! The guys at support seemed very helpful too, thanks mike! |
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LP-Trel Zen

Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 5721 Location: Nirvana by Boredom
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Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:54 am Post subject: |
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| jellyware wrote: | | I saw Drag and drop site creator at digg. got a friend to download it to my host and had a play around with it. I'm told there was a problem with the install so some of it did'nt work properly, namely editing the menu items. So I decided to come here, I'm told you can get Drag and Drop Site Creator pre-installed to accounts here. My experience so far with the software is that it takes a little while to get the hang of it, especially the structure of the elements stored on other pages but it really is what-you-see-is-what-you-get fun for the beginner. Documentation is a little patchy and spread over a few places, I started editing the software's docuwiki which was a really fun! The guys at support seemed very helpful too, thanks mike! |
Drag and Drop SiteCreator is offered here and is integrated directly into cPanel to make it simple to use.
If there are any technical problems with the installation I can definitely help with that. Learning the software and questions like that will fall to Michael (Pfork).  _________________ * Knowledge Base * Wiki * Forum FAQs * |
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jellyware Novice Poster
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 31 Location: sydney australia
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xJeff jeffchan.org

Joined: 29 Apr 2005 Posts: 1452 Location: Internet
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LP-Trel Zen

Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 5721 Location: Nirvana by Boredom
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:26 am Post subject: |
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http://pages.google.com/ leads to a 404 error.
If you can recreate the error on the install here locally I will talk to staff at SQLFusion about the problem and hopefully get a fix for it.  _________________ * Knowledge Base * Wiki * Forum FAQs * |
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ClickFanatic Est. 2005

Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 3857
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| xJeff wrote: | http://pages.google.com
I don't have hosting here, but I did try out the demo.
Google can generate CSS (no table code), why don't you guys try it? |
Google actually did a very good job there.
I know most development teams can't match that of Google, but I think SQLFusion can learn some things from this page creator product and apply them to their own software.
Take the interface for example; I find it a lot more clear and easier to use. _________________ Captain Jell-O Buster from the Future
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LP-Trel Zen

Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 5721 Location: Nirvana by Boredom
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:38 am Post subject: |
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| ClickFanatic wrote: | | xJeff wrote: | http://pages.google.com
I don't have hosting here, but I did try out the demo.
Google can generate CSS (no table code), why don't you guys try it? |
Google actually did a very good job there.
I know most development teams can't match that of Google, but I think SQLFusion can learn some things from this page creator product and apply them to their own software.
Take the interface for example; I find it a lot more clear and easier to use. |
Google's interface is nice but, Google's builder lacks the drag and drop functionality of the Drag and Drop SiteCreator. Also one thing to remember is that the DDSC can be used with space here and not just on googlepages.com.
Google gets effort for the pretty factor but, overall substance it just doesn't cut it. _________________ * Knowledge Base * Wiki * Forum FAQs * |
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ClickFanatic Est. 2005

Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 3857
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:14 am Post subject: |
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| LP-Trel wrote: | | Google gets effort for the pretty factor but, overall substance it just doesn't cut it. |
I agree that the DDSC and Google Page Creator are two different things, but what I'm trying to say is that Google managed to create a much nicer and more usable interface than the DDSC currently has. _________________ Captain Jell-O Buster from the Future
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LP-Trel Zen

Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 5721 Location: Nirvana by Boredom
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| ClickFanatic wrote: | | LP-Trel wrote: | | Google gets effort for the pretty factor but, overall substance it just doesn't cut it. |
I agree that the DDSC and Google Page Creator are two different things, but what I'm trying to say is that Google managed to create a much nicer and more usable interface than the DDSC currently has. |
That is one thing I hope that the SQLFusion's staff will work on as they read these posts. Overall functionality was their focus (I can see that from the UI and then the overall features of the software) instead of just making it pretty. Perhaps I will be able to convince the SQLFusion staff to let us have access to some of the code necessary for skinning the DDSC and we can have a go at improving the UI ourselves.  _________________ * Knowledge Base * Wiki * Forum FAQs * |
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LP-Trel Zen

Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 5721 Location: Nirvana by Boredom
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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They have given me permission to give a few of you access to the CSS files that control the design of the DDSC.
I'll be paying domain, VSP, or RDP for a better looking color scheme or whatever is possible with the files.  _________________ * Knowledge Base * Wiki * Forum FAQs * |
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jellyware Novice Poster
Joined: 21 Feb 2006 Posts: 31 Location: sydney australia
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Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I agree with Trel regarding google new pages. easy to use but lacking in functionality in comparison to drag n drop. I think its great that we now have permission to alter some of the code of the software. does that mean we will have our own customised version of drag n drop? sounds like a really fun project, hopefully some amateurs like me will get involved as well to make suggestions to you gods of code. Do we as a community have the traction to create a cms tool that is easier and more functional than what google can do. notice there seems to be a few guys here with advanced technical know-how and time on their hands..... |
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LP-Trel Zen

Joined: 02 Dec 2002 Posts: 5721 Location: Nirvana by Boredom
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Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:58 am Post subject: |
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SQLFusion has been very flexible with their permission and has worked with us every step of the way. They are quite a good group.  _________________ * Knowledge Base * Wiki * Forum FAQs * |
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