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Charlotte
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you slice and code PSD's on it? id really like to know
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ClickFanatic
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am very impressed by this tool, because it's an amazing piece of scripting.
However, I am a bit disappointed by the ease-of-use of the interface.
It's all easy to do, but only if you know where and how to. I find the interface a bit uncomfortable to work with; I don't get a good overview of what I am doing at some points.
Maybe I am being a bit close-minded on this, since I have no problem hand-coding any site. But personally, and I think this counts for many people (also ones that don't know how to code), I get fed up with software quickly if I can't figure out how it works , if it doesn't look too well and/or when it is not working the way I was expecting it would.

Don't get me wrong here, your sitecreator is alright. It's got the functions and features, but it's mainly the interface which is not that good.
First of all, you need to change it's appearance. It needs a more smooth, clean theme (with pretty icons). Smile
Secondly, you'll need to change the way content can be edited. I am not sure how you would best change this. Maybe you should have a look at other AJAX powered online editors (not only web editors) such as Writely. Use them a bit and see why you like the way certain features work, so you can try to apply the same technique in your own software.
Remember that your sitecreator is an online tool and that it is expected to work differently from off line software (such as Dreamweaver, etc.).

And a final note, the demo movie, which has been mentioned over and over already. Silly
I find it a bit basic and not really helpful. I think you need to brainstorm a bit what the main features are that you want to show. Then think of the best way to present them.
There are some demo movies on LLP as well. I personally find them quite descriptive and straightforward, so you might want to have a look at them.
There are some companies that make howto movies for people, but I don't know of any. Perhaps Trel can tell you where and how he got his (unless he made them himself, of course Wink ).

Well, hopefully my feedback was a bit useful to you. Maybe I'll have some more comments in the future, but otherwise I wish you lots of success with this project! Smile
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LP-Trel
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've put a bounty out for any tutorials or howto items such as the ones you have mentioned.

As far as I know it can't cut PSDs.
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jellyware
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Joined: 21 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 12:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I saw Drag and drop site creator at digg. got a friend to download it to my host and had a play around with it. I'm told there was a problem with the install so some of it did'nt work properly, namely editing the menu items. So I decided to come here, I'm told you can get Drag and Drop Site Creator pre-installed to accounts here. My experience so far with the software is that it takes a little while to get the hang of it, especially the structure of the elements stored on other pages but it really is what-you-see-is-what-you-get fun for the beginner. Documentation is a little patchy and spread over a few places, I started editing the software's docuwiki which was a really fun! The guys at support seemed very helpful too, thanks mike!
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LP-Trel
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jellyware wrote:
I saw Drag and drop site creator at digg. got a friend to download it to my host and had a play around with it. I'm told there was a problem with the install so some of it did'nt work properly, namely editing the menu items. So I decided to come here, I'm told you can get Drag and Drop Site Creator pre-installed to accounts here. My experience so far with the software is that it takes a little while to get the hang of it, especially the structure of the elements stored on other pages but it really is what-you-see-is-what-you-get fun for the beginner. Documentation is a little patchy and spread over a few places, I started editing the software's docuwiki which was a really fun! The guys at support seemed very helpful too, thanks mike!


Drag and Drop SiteCreator is offered here and is integrated directly into cPanel to make it simple to use. Wink

If there are any technical problems with the installation I can definitely help with that. Learning the software and questions like that will fall to Michael (Pfork). Smile
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jellyware
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 4:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had problems with the walled garden template. I have added this to the list of bugs in the wikki at

http://opensourcefusion.org/do.....umentation
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xJeff
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://pages.google.com
I don't have hosting here, but I did try out the demo.
Google can generate CSS (no table code), why don't you guys try it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 1:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://pages.google.com/ leads to a 404 error. Wink

If you can recreate the error on the install here locally I will talk to staff at SQLFusion about the problem and hopefully get a fix for it. Smile
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ClickFanatic
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

xJeff wrote:
http://pages.google.com
I don't have hosting here, but I did try out the demo.
Google can generate CSS (no table code), why don't you guys try it?

Google actually did a very good job there.
I know most development teams can't match that of Google, but I think SQLFusion can learn some things from this page creator product and apply them to their own software.
Take the interface for example; I find it a lot more clear and easier to use.
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LP-Trel
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClickFanatic wrote:
xJeff wrote:
http://pages.google.com
I don't have hosting here, but I did try out the demo.
Google can generate CSS (no table code), why don't you guys try it?

Google actually did a very good job there.
I know most development teams can't match that of Google, but I think SQLFusion can learn some things from this page creator product and apply them to their own software.
Take the interface for example; I find it a lot more clear and easier to use.


Google's interface is nice but, Google's builder lacks the drag and drop functionality of the Drag and Drop SiteCreator. Also one thing to remember is that the DDSC can be used with space here and not just on googlepages.com. Wink

Google gets effort for the pretty factor but, overall substance it just doesn't cut it.
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ClickFanatic
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LP-Trel wrote:
Google gets effort for the pretty factor but, overall substance it just doesn't cut it.

I agree that the DDSC and Google Page Creator are two different things, but what I'm trying to say is that Google managed to create a much nicer and more usable interface than the DDSC currently has.
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LP-Trel
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClickFanatic wrote:
LP-Trel wrote:
Google gets effort for the pretty factor but, overall substance it just doesn't cut it.

I agree that the DDSC and Google Page Creator are two different things, but what I'm trying to say is that Google managed to create a much nicer and more usable interface than the DDSC currently has.


That is one thing I hope that the SQLFusion's staff will work on as they read these posts. Overall functionality was their focus (I can see that from the UI and then the overall features of the software) instead of just making it pretty. Perhaps I will be able to convince the SQLFusion staff to let us have access to some of the code necessary for skinning the DDSC and we can have a go at improving the UI ourselves. Smile
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LP-Trel
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2006 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have given me permission to give a few of you access to the CSS files that control the design of the DDSC.

I'll be paying domain, VSP, or RDP for a better looking color scheme or whatever is possible with the files. Wink
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jellyware
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2006 7:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree with Trel regarding google new pages. easy to use but lacking in functionality in comparison to drag n drop. I think its great that we now have permission to alter some of the code of the software. does that mean we will have our own customised version of drag n drop? sounds like a really fun project, hopefully some amateurs like me will get involved as well to make suggestions to you gods of code. Do we as a community have the traction to create a cms tool that is easier and more functional than what google can do. notice there seems to be a few guys here with advanced technical know-how and time on their hands.....
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 12:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SQLFusion has been very flexible with their permission and has worked with us every step of the way. They are quite a good group. Smile
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