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Scar
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 Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:52 am Post subject: Netscape is dead :( |
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I didn't see this posted anywhere on here. It might be in that browser topic, but other then that i havent.
It turns out Netscape is over for good. Which is very said.
It shocks me because they just released Netscape Navigator 9 which is basically firefox with a netscape skin and some default/built in extensions, but it really does run very smoothly and much faster than firefox in my opinion.
I went ahead and downloaded it tonight, and while i was looking for skins i saw this: | Quote: | | End of Support for Netscape web browsers |
and it was posted on "December 28th 2007", which is almost a month ago.
I wonder why i haven't heard anything about this until now? It's crazy. You can read the entire announcement here: http://blog.netscape.com/2007/.....-browsers/
The reaosn this kinda makes me sad is that Netscape was the first browser I had ever used back in the 90's when i first got online. All my early computer memories had it in it. I even tried to cling to it until 2003, but that's after AOL bought It and basically ruined it as they did with ICQ after the bought it. So i quit using it then, but i always checked out each version they came out with in hopes that it'd be nice and worth using, but hasn't ever been since AOL gobbled it up.
Now they are just letting it go. I guess to die and disappear for good. I wish some how they'd just give it to the Mozilla foundation and mozilla could bring it back, but i doubt they'll ever do that since AOL paid like 10billion USD on it. At least then though the name would live on, and get back to where it started, etc.
I really was shocked by reading this. Even though i haven't really touched the browser in years, i was hoping that i'd be able to again someday, or maybe i'm just sad because those old memories are just memories now, i'm unsure, ha its just sad (sorry half asleep, almost 3am).
Anyways did any one else already hear about this? I know some of you are young and stuff and might not have very many memories with Netscape, but there are also some older people here who probably only used it back in the day.
I keep hoping some how ICQ gets brought back, but i think AOL is intentionally bringing that program down also. Actually i think it is already gone. 
R.I.P netscape
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LP-SolidRaven
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| Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2008 3:03 am Post subject: |
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AOL's grip of death? 
Netscape has been death for long. The only difference is that it's now official.
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Scar
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| SolidRaven wrote: | AOL's grip of death?
Netscape has been death for long. The only difference is that it's now official. |
Yup.
Actually i was thinking after i posted, the only program that i can think of that they bought and havent ruined yet is Winamp. I wonder how that happened
Still sad to see netscape gone for good.
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Soki
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| Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:27 pm Post subject: Re: Netscape is dead :( |
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Edit: Didn't mean to quote...
ZOMFG!!! that sucks...I loved it more than IE...oh well I use Firefox more than anything else...still...
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It's the same for me. It has been more than 8 years since I last used Netscape navigator. Firefox and Konqueror are a good replacement, popular, updated and with millions of plugins that add more features.
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No offense, I totally support all free web browsers, but Netscape does make a nightmare for web page designers! I hope that someday, all of it will be standardized so we web designers don't have to worry about cross-browser compatibility. On an off note, I was loading up a page in Firefox on my laptop and the same page in IE at the same time, both simpler computers performance wise, and Firefox loaded the page in about a second, while IE took about 30! 
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| jthomsonmain wrote: | | No offense, I totally support all free web browsers, but Netscape does make a nightmare for web page designers! I hope that someday, all of it will be standardized so we web designers don't have to worry about cross-browser compatibility. On an off note, I was loading up a page in Firefox on my laptop and the same page in IE at the same time, both simpler computers performance wise, and Firefox loaded the page in about a second, while IE took about 30! |
And the fun part is that firefox is based on netscape its codebase and rendering engine
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<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
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| jthomsonmain wrote: | | I hope that someday, all of it will be standardized so we web designers don't have to worry about cross-browser compatibility. |
If that happens in the next decade or two, I would be utterly amazed.
Part of that problem, yes, comes from the great variety of browsers out there. But a (possibly even more significant?) part of the problem comes from the even greater variety of web designers out there. It's not hard to pop a website up online. Domain names are relatively cheap. Hosting is relatively cheap (my Internet Service Provider even offers a very basic free hosting service for their customers; my brother's university also offers him free webspace). Learning enough HTML and that sort of thing to cobble a page together takes little time. The internet is a wide open field. And as long as it stays that way, you'll have relatively inexperienced people out there using simple hacks and such which appear to work for them on their websites. The ultimate goal of a browser is not to comply to 100% of the standards pumped out by the World Wide Web Consortium, or anything like that--the average user couldn't care less if the standards are always supported in their browser. In fact, I'd be surprised if the average user even knows that there is a consortium dedicated to developing standards for the internet. No, the average user only cares about the websites that they want to see. If their favorite website is built off of an awful, non-standards-compliant tangle of cheap hacks and poor coding, and a standards-compliant browser makes the page look weird, difficult to navigate, or anything of the sort, they'll be angry at the browser, I'd bet. And as the goal of most browsers is to get as many users as possible...browser makers want to conform to the de facto standards, not the de jure standards of W3C. Hard cycle to break. |
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| Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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| SolidRaven wrote: | | And the fun part is that firefox is based on netscape its codebase and rendering engine |
I'd call the Netscape <4 / Mozilla rendering engines as something completely separate from Gecko 
| jthomsonmain wrote: | | No offense, I totally support all free web browsers, but Netscape does make a nightmare for web page designers! |
Netscape 4? The new versions, Netscape 6+ are fine as they use Gecko so rendering is basically the same as in Firefox.
| jthomsonmain wrote: | | I hope that someday, all of it will be standardized so we web designers don't have to worry about cross-browser compatibility. |
It's not as hard as it is made out to be. The problem arises when dealing with crap code that the developer left you to work with. When starting from scratch, it just takes a planned and structured approach and the cross browser problems end up being small tweaks that need to be made.
| Celvaeti wrote: | | If that happens in the next decade or two, I would be utterly amazed. |
It's a possibility, there will not be perfect standardisation and no proprietary technology but from a developer perspective, IE7, IE8 and great mobile browsers such as Opera Mini mean that there will be enough users using "A" grade browsers. |
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It's not as hard as it is made out to be. The problem arises when dealing with crap code that the developer left you to work with. When starting from scratch, it just takes a planned and structured approach and the cross browser problems end up being small tweaks that need to be made.
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It can be a pain in the ***. I recently made a website and had a section rather than using padding, created another box within a box to contain the text. I decided that that was unprofessional for whatever reason and switched to the padding. Turns out, IE doesn't like my padding and it **** my site up and I had to undo the changes. All in all, I have to agree with you though.
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| You get used to it. The box model issue you are talking about is one of the annoying aspects of rendering engine differences but it eventually becomes a habit to avoid it. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 12:54 pm Post subject: |
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| krt wrote: | | SolidRaven wrote: | | And the fun part is that firefox is based on netscape its codebase and rendering engine |
I'd call the Netscape <4 / Mozilla rendering engines as something completely separate from Gecko
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I must sadly inform you that you're wrong krt...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G....._engine%29
| Quote: | | Development of the layout engine now known as Gecko began at Netscape in 1997, following the company's purchase of DigitalStyle. |
Gecko could be considered as the final form of the netscape rendering engine.
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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| I wouldn't say I'm wrong as I know it is technically wrong to say that, hence the "I'd call the" to indicate that practically speaking, they should not be considered as anything like each other. |
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it really seems to vary on which engine your trying to code for, once you get used to what firefox/gecko will do, you kinda know what to avoid.
sometimes i'd just like to block IE users from viewing my work, just say to hell with them and have a little page saying "get Firefox or ---- off", but then again that doesn't seem very nice or professional, not to mention it would probably dissapate the few visitors i've ever received.
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I definitely had some good times with Netscape browsers. I loved watching the animated N logo, since it was all "space-y" and futuristic. I always felt like I was using a much more complete and solid browser when I used Netscape over Internet Explorer.
R.I.P. Netscape. You had a great run. Sorry your demise had to be so long and drawn out. We should have just pulled you off life support sooner.
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