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Jacky
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 3:22 am    Post subject: Not willing to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista Reply with quote

Are you an user who refuses to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista? If you are, state your reasons here.

For me:

  • I am used to Windows XP
  • I don't want a change of environment
  • Windows XP works great for me
  • Compared to Windows Vista, Windows XP still looks better

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think a list of reasons to switch to vista would be better but here's mine.
XP works fine.
All the software I use runs on XP or linux
Vista license cost money
My computer were designed for XP home or pro not Vista
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I have XP and Vista installed on my desktop, dual booting with 2 partitions. I did this because I knew I had a lot of apps that needed XP at the time (though they probably don't anymore) so I left XP to be safe...

But I have to say, I don't think Vista is that bad. Visuals are personal preference. I think in terms of animations and general design, Vista is very sleek and nice looking. That said, I despise the look of IE7/8 when maximized.

It's not really a change of environment, because the general idea of the Windows environment didn't change. The only thing now is you have to click a few authorization windows whenever you try to do something that might introduce a virus into your computer if you don't know what you're doing. Other than that, and some minor folder structure and control panel changes, everything is the same.

It's true that if XP is working fine for you then there's no true reason to upgrade, but if Microsoft does in fact end its support for XP this summer, you're going to have some serious problems on your hands. Keep that in mind the next time you consider Vista.

Now back to my OS X. Wink
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Jacky
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please, only for those who refuse to.

I don't want Mac or Linux users hijacking this thread.

I am also dual-booting, but I am still using XP.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 4:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, i run Vista because when my laptop died, the only one I could get in a hurry ran vista, and it is good enough to stick with rather than downgrade.

That being said, one issue I have is that my external hard drive, which involves 2 x 1Tb Hitachi Deskstars in a Netgear Storage Central Manager, is not really designed to run in Vista, and only does so because of an emergency patch netgear released. On XP, you would never know you were running an external hard drive, because access rates were phenomenal. On Vista, you get continual hangs (temporary, lasting about a minute) in different programmes as they access the information. Playback on iTunes is the only programme that is flawless, although changing information, especially artwork, for the songs is probably the biggest lag I have come across.

Perhaps that is too specific for what this thread is about, but generally, people considering Vista need to make sure that they have compatible hard and software, or are willing to spend money to replace obsolete items.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 9:46 am    Post subject: Re: Not willing to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista Reply with quote

Jacky wrote:
Are you an user who refuses to upgrade from Windows XP to Windows Vista? If you are, state your reasons here.

For me:

  • I am used to Windows XP
  • I don't want a change of environment
  • Windows XP works great for me
  • Compared to Windows Vista, Windows XP still looks better


This is quite similar...
1. Window XP run faster when compare to Vista
2. Window XP require less resourse than Vista
3. There is MUCH more programs for XP but not many for Vista because of the *!&zyx@^%$ security setting and orz GUI API
4. Another thing with security setting: UAC. This is the worst clone of the unix user system with the worst thing TCPA / Palladium (TCPA stand for Trusted Computing Platform Alliance, started by Intel, this is a system/Alliance that only allow authorized 3rd party [trusted 3rd party] to develop and run the application on the platform owned by alliance member)
5. Because of UAC, you are not the one own the system. Most of the time your action will be blocked-and you need to retype your password everytime, completely different from linux. (In linux, as long as you using same terminal keeping same connection, you can type less)
6. But UAC doesn't like linux, UAC limited the privilege of general user task - even the program was put by superuser to the startup, if the program is not from trusted party, UAC will annoy you.
7. UI is not really that elegant but also misleading and confusing. If I want the old day UI component back, it look like crap.
8. UI use too many resource for the effect that no one notice
9. there is no much improvement, but many counter-improvement we can see, especially on the UI issue
10. Since everybody want to rollback, there is no much people willing to develop the program on Vista
11*. This long comment is all of my feeling after using vista 3 day, then I decide to rollback, because the feeling is so bad.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

pharmer4 wrote:
Well, i run Vista because when my laptop died, the only one I could get in a hurry ran vista, and it is good enough to stick with rather than downgrade.

That being said, one issue I have is that my external hard drive, which involves 2 x 1Tb Hitachi Deskstars in a Netgear Storage Central Manager, is not really designed to run in Vista, and only does so because of an emergency patch netgear released. On XP, you would never know you were running an external hard drive, because access rates were phenomenal. On Vista, you get continual hangs (temporary, lasting about a minute) in different programmes as they access the information. Playback on iTunes is the only programme that is flawless, although changing information, especially artwork, for the songs is probably the biggest lag I have come across.

Perhaps that is too specific for what this thread is about, but generally, people considering Vista need to make sure that they have compatible hard and software, or are willing to spend money to replace obsolete items.


laptop is easy to downgrade, they usually have xp recovery CD for all model, phone to the CS hotline to ask a one
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The main reason I hate vista is cause of it's memory usage. The second reason is cause half the software I use doesn't even want to install on vista cause of driver issues.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 16, 2008 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reasons on why I won't upgrade to Vista are simply this:

  • I am used to Windows XP
  • I have XP tweaked and customized the way I like it
  • XP is running perfectly fine for me right now, so why bother?
  • I don't fell like backing up all of my documents (which I have alot of) and spend a whole weekend formatting, installing, tweaking Vista to my liking)
  • XP runs and performs a hell of alot better and faster than Vista (not to mention, more stable)
  • I don't feel like running into driver problems with my devices simply because companies/authors are all too lazy to update their drivers for Vista
  • I prefer a stable OS over an OS with eye candy any day
  • UAC? No Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

To whoever said something about microsoft ending xp support this summer: ms just ended support for windows 2000 so there is no reason to suspect a stop in support for people running xp. The only announcement I have heard from microsoft is that they will stop selling windows xp licenses and this is not even bound to all, they have not ruled out selling licenses for lower end computers that are not quite vista capable. This is just ms refusing to let linux get a foot in the door
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mcwkm wrote:
To whoever said something about microsoft ending xp support this summer: ms just ended support for windows 2000 so there is no reason to suspect a stop in support for people running xp. The only announcement I have heard from microsoft is that they will stop selling windows xp licenses and this is not even bound to all, they have not ruled out selling licenses for lower end computers that are not quite vista capable. This is just ms refusing to let linux get a foot in the door


Well I've heard it from all kinds of sources, but a very quick search on Google turns up this:

Quote:
However, with mainstream support for Windows XP set to end on 14 April 2009, large businesses are likely to begin replacing it with Windows Vista in 2008.


From here: http://www.computerweekly.com/.....-looms.htm

IT World Canada has been writing articles about the impending end of support for months now, as enterprises are the ones who are really freaking out over it. In all reality I can't see Microsoft not extending support. There's still too many people who haven't upgraded.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reasons:

XP is still a very stable OS and is still supported with updates.

Vista has more compatibility related issues (drivers and such) than XP. I assume a new PC would run it, but upgrading an existing setup is not certain to work out well.

Some software that I use is buggy or unsupported on Vista.

Vista is a resource hog.

If I check the system requirements for (the latest) games, the minimal amount of RAM for gaming on Vista is twice as much as for XP.

Very few games actually require DX10 and many that were made for DX9 require a patch to run on Vista.

Given the above, I can't really be motivated to go through the process of upgrading.
Besides, I am quite pleased with XP as it is.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 22, 2008 4:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am dual booting, and I actually prefer linux Silly But still I'm using windows for several pieces of software, and I just don't want to upgrade to Vista.

Why?
Because I hear a lot of terrible stories about it.
I don't really need Eye Candy anyway to do my work
Vista uses more RAM, and no matter how fast my computer is, Vista will make it slower than XP
Vista seems to have quite some problems with drivers and old hardware
Quite a lot of software is not completely Vista-ready, some doesn't even work at all


Basically these are quite the same reasons I've used windows 98 next to linux till 2005 instead of XP (That's right; till 4 years after XPwas released Silly)

So I don't actually think I'll be upgrading soon.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spock wrote:
I am dual booting, and I actually prefer linux Silly But still I'm using windows for several pieces of software, and I just don't want to upgrade to Vista.

Why?
Because I hear a lot of terrible stories about it.
I don't really need Eye Candy anyway to do my work
Vista uses more RAM, and no matter how fast my computer is, Vista will make it slower than XP
Vista seems to have quite some problems with drivers and old hardware
Quite a lot of software is not completely Vista-ready, some doesn't even work at all


Basically these are quite the same reasons I've used windows 98 next to linux till 2005 instead of XP (That's right; till 4 years after XPwas released Silly)

So I don't actually think I'll be upgrading soon.


I alot of the stories are made up and just completely untrue though. Of course an older system that wasn't designed for the new technology, which not work with vista. Just as no hardware for windows 3.1 will work in 98 and such. If you look for stories from actual windows vista users you will find that Vista is a really nice OS and we have little to no issues at all. Vista never crashes on me, never have driver errors. Everything simple works. alot of these net people are anti microsoft weirdos, and they make up all sorts of stuff. if you Pc is old. Stick with whats old then.

In order for me to stay on topic here, i will state why i will not upgrade my other pc to vista:

It's old Silly not enough ram. And i do not have enough money to buy another license ha Silly no downfall on vista though besides its price. Smile But if my older pc did support windows vista properly and i had another license i would upgrade in a heartbeat.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 23, 2008 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reason was a paradox I found with upgrading:

Either use the fancy Aero and other spiffy GUI features and eat up your system resources OR turn them off and go back to something that is essentially XP with a bad theme... yes, I don't like the black taskbar, same thing turned me off KDE4.

Now, that is fine you might say, the start/search, media functionality and other added features will still be there. I didn't even mind the compatibility issues and other possible hickups with hardware and software as I'd probably have little trouble working around the issues or waiting it out.

However, this was what Microsoft had to show for 5 years of development, and I also don't like their plans for their modular Windows 7. Also, my interest in open source software was increasing rapidly at the time, so I thought, why bother sticking with an OS that isn't free* and is not showing much signs of improvement.

So, for me, it's not so much a reluctance to upgrade, it's more not seeing the point of it. why a change of environment for little benefit. Of course,
that was the point where I figured why bother and installed Ubuntu which has almost caught up to Windows in being a friendly easy to use OS and is improving at a much faster rate.
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