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linuxdoctor Infallible Persona

Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 1216 Location: Ottawa, Canada
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Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2007 12:16 pm Post subject: Origins of Dinosaur Killing Asteroid |
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According to a new theory by American and Czech scientists, the killer asteroid that doomed the dinosaurs sixty-five million years ago was created in a collision between between two much larger asteroids (105 miles and 40 miles wide respectively) in the asteroid belt that occurred about 100 million years ago. The six mile wide fragment was then sent hurtling out into the Solar System and eventually impacted with earth some 45 million years later.
Named asteroid Baptistina, from which the dinosaur killer asteroid was created in that collision one hundred million years ago, was proposed as a possible cause of w whole host of very similar impact craters on another asteroid in the asteroid belt named Gaspara. Gaspara was imaged by the Galileo space craft in 1992 and scientists have been trying to track down its evolution ever since. Scienitsts built a model from calculating the impacts on the asteroid backwards in time to a common origin. When working the model forward in time they arrived at an unexpected result ... a planet killer sized asteroid impacting the earth some 65 million years ago.
Needless to say this was an amazing result. It is also amazing in another way; that research in one area of science can often explain other phenomena. This is yet another amazing fact about how science works.
Of course, this is just a theory. There is no way to prove that it is indeed correct without a lot more data, but the explanation is interesting and compelling it in it's own way and, as a scientist in the Einsteinian mold, elegant. _________________ Misanthrope: someone who realizes that humans really are as stupid as they appear.
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darksfear Novice Poster
Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 23
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 6:11 am Post subject: |
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Did you just copy and paste that article or something?
If you didn't, my hats off to you.
A 6 mile wide fragment can cause this much damage? wipe out creatures on the entire planet?
This is really hard to imagine, but i guess who can imagine the magnitude of the fragment when it crashes to earth, i seen somewhere asteroids usually travel at around 50,000 kilometers per second.
Really tired now, so cant be bothered to do the calculations, but i am sure someone could work out the kinetic energy it brings to the earth when it impacts? then convert that force into megatones so it can be compared with nuclear missiles, e.g. that impact was the same as one million nuclear missiles exploding at the same time etc.
Just my two cents, out. |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 7031 Location: The cheese is made out of moon
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 11:17 am Post subject: |
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| darksfear wrote: | Did you just copy and paste that article or something?
If you didn't, my hats off to you.
A 6 mile wide fragment can cause this much damage? wipe out creatures on the entire planet? |
Directly no, indirectly yes.
Due to the impact dust will be shot up in the air. The massive shock wave of moving air will kill beings in the direct area. The earthquake it causes would likely cause volcano's to erupt. Sending even more dust, carbon dioxide and other things into the atmosphere. Eventually the air will become partially toxic or the dust cloud will block out the sun's light causing plants to die, what causes plant eating animals to die, and the carnivores eat those animals will eventually die as well.
| Quote: | | This is really hard to imagine, but i guess who can imagine the magnitude of the fragment when it crashes to earth, i seen somewhere asteroids usually travel at around 50,000 kilometers per second. |
That's already 0.4% of the speed of light if I'm not mistaken.
Now it would take somewhere around a week to accelerate a bowling ball to the speed of light with all the power output of every powerplant on earth. Now you can imagine the amount of energy a piece of rock like this has is amazing, it will reach the ground long before the friction in the atmosphere can burn it down.
| Quote: | Really tired now, so cant be bothered to do the calculations, but i am sure someone could work out the kinetic energy it brings to the earth when it impacts? then convert that force into megatones so it can be compared with nuclear missiles, e.g. that impact was the same as one million nuclear missiles exploding at the same time etc.
Just my two cents, out. |
Comparing an event like this with nuclear missiles is a joke.
We're talking about smashing two huge things together. With huge I mean planetary or moon sized things. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
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Necromis Lifeless on my Boat

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 742 Location: USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 31, 2007 2:08 pm Post subject: |
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| SR, I don't think he is worrying about the quality of the comparision, just something that we can relatively understand the power of. After all most people have a general idea of the magnitude of a nuclear explosion, but don't have any where near an idea of the magnitude this impact would cause. |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 7031 Location: The cheese is made out of moon
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 5:20 am Post subject: |
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Okay, lets assume the asteroid 4 Vesta shoots out of its orbit and continues at that speed towards earth. Its orbiting speed is about 19.3km/s and it's mass is about 2.7×10^20 kg.
Kinetic Energy = (mass * velocity^2 )/2
So (2.7x10^20 kg * (19300 m/s)^2)/2
That's 5.028615 × 10^28 Joules
Now this was a fairly large piece of rock, larger than the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs. That one 'only' had about 5×10^23 Joules of energy.
Now the examples to give you an idea of the energy such an event would wield: (from wikipedia)
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- 1.74×10^17 J, the total energy from the Sun that strikes the face of the Earth each second[5]
- 2.1×10^17 J, the yield of the Tsar Bomba, the largest nuclear weapon ever tested
- 2×10^18 J, the energy released by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake
- 5.5×10^24 J, the total energy from the Sun that strikes the face of the Earth each year
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Keep in mind that the indian ocean quake already made the earth shake on its axis. Now this is the type of event that makes nuclear bombs look like toys. Coming close to or releasing even more energy than a giant ball of plasma in space. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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Joined: 18 Jan 2005 Posts: 3877 Location: A particular geographic area
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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Necromis wrote: | | SR, I don't think he is worrying about the quality of the comparision, just something that we can relatively understand the power of. After all most people have a general idea of the magnitude of a nuclear explosion, but don't have any where near an idea of the magnitude this impact would cause. |
I think the general idea most people have about the magnitude of a nuclear explosion is basically that it is immense. Nuclear explosions and asteroids can't be compared, they're apples and oranges.
I see statements like this a lot, though. Just watch some documentaries on Discovery Channel, for example. The Empire State building seems to be a popular unit for mass, volume and length. Length is hard to imagine for someone who has never seen it in reality, but mass and volume are especially pointless.
But I understand that it is used as an alternative to saying that something is extremely large or heavy, maybe it somehow makes the voice-over more interesting. I don't know. _________________ Captain Jell-O Buster from the Future
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Necromis Lifeless on my Boat

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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 1:03 pm Post subject: |
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Well it is that compare option. Like explaining the size of an asteroid is the same as the island of manhattan. I know that nuclear explosions are a relivant corolation even though they might be apples and oranges, they still have similar destructive powers. When an asteroid impacts it leaves a crator of X size based on its mass and velocity. I nuclear explosion leaves a crator based on its explosive power. In the end they still both leave a crator. Buses and planes are apples and oranges, but they still end up getting you some where.  |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Thu Nov 01, 2007 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Necromis wrote: | Well it is that compare option. Like explaining the size of an asteroid is the same as the island of manhattan.
I know that nuclear explosions are a relivant corolation even though they might be apples and oranges, they still have similar destructive powers. When an asteroid impacts it leaves a crator of X size based on its mass and velocity. I nuclear explosion leaves a crator based on its explosive power. In the end they still both leave a crator. Buses and planes are apples and oranges, but they still end up getting you some where.  |
The magnitude of an event like a nuclear explosion in terms of energy can't be compared to the impact of an asteroid on a planet. I didn't even bother to include what gravity what gravity would do since it wasn't needed anymore to show how destructive this type of events really can be. It beats the amount of energy the sun sends out in one second.
Not even the tsar bomba (the most powerful weapon ever detonated by mankind) can even come close to the energy this event would release. Sure we can blow the earth to pieces if we'd launch all the nukes at once. (Wait till World War III if you're so interested in destroying earth)
Now if you really want a number of how many nukes you'd need to match a big asteroid. The answer is somewhere in the millions. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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Necromis Lifeless on my Boat

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 742 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 6:26 am Post subject: |
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| Oh, I am fine with the answer you gave before SR. I was just explaining why it is liked by the masses. |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2007 12:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Necromis wrote: | | Oh, I am fine with the answer you gave before SR. I was just explaining why it is liked by the masses. |
I doubt anybody can comprehend the amount of energy millions of nukes means. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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martinz Grandmaster Poster

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Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| I am not so sure if this could be true but there is a possibility. There are other possibilities too, besides asteroids hitting Earth, it could be viruses, it could be heat from the Sun, or it could be aliens that kill these dinosaurs. I just what is the chance of a 6-mile wide asteroid hitting Earth, and why are we not experiencing that now? |
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It might have been viruses, heat from the sun or anything else like that but nothing can be proven. So I would like to believe that it's asteroids that destroyed the dinosaurs. Maybe one asteriod is aimed for our doom as well. Who knows. _________________ Free Online Games @ GamesNepal.Com| Nepali Forum | Mero Guff | Play Free Online Games |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2008 3:45 pm Post subject: |
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| martinz wrote: | | I am not so sure if this could be true but there is a possibility. There are other possibilities too, besides asteroids hitting Earth, it could be viruses, it could be heat from the Sun, or it could be aliens that kill these dinosaurs. I just what is the chance of a 6-mile wide asteroid hitting Earth, and why are we not experiencing that now? |
The universe is so big that it's impossible to comprehend.
But it's fairly logical an asteroid can hit earth. I'll try to explain it simple.
You have a lot of rocks in movement, they keep hitting each other, eventually one escapes from the gravitational pull that keeps the field together and continues a linear path until it comes in the gravitational field of a star or planet. The gravitational pull can put it on a collision route with another object. And so on...
On other planetary bodies asteroid impacts are quite common. But earth is somewhat protected due to several reasons:
1) An atmosphere that can burn the rocks away due to friction
2) Jupiter its gravitational field is extremely powerful so it attracts most of the asteroids
3) Kuiper belt acts as a shield
4) The sun it's gravitation pull is often strong enough to pull them in another orbit by the time they come close to earth. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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Jim Colyer Master Poster
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Posted: Sat Feb 23, 2008 7:28 pm Post subject: |
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There is no end to the speculation. I still question whether the impact in the Yucatan killed off the dinosaurs. _________________ Jim Colyer wrote Save The Planet. |
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Necromis Lifeless on my Boat

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Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 11:43 am Post subject: |
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| Jim, look at the amount of devistation caused in Russsia from an air bursting meteor, and it was no where near the size of the one that hit. The biggest impact is the ash cloud caused by the impact. Or dust cloud, more acurately. It caused the global cooling that in turn caused the ice age. If Dinosaurs were smaller it might have been different. They were not and their food sources were choked off. |
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