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marinaroz
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Surprised? Can't say that I am. It's a sad world when such awful things no longer even surprise us.
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clpo13
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The title of the page doesn't match the content. "Two shot dead in US shopping mall" versus the nine deaths the story actually talks about.
I also think it's interesting that they bothered to mention that President Bush had visited just the area earlier that day. I doubt the two events were related, as this seems to be yet another poor sap who felt the need to go down in a blaze of faux glory.
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mellymoo
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| clpo13 wrote: | The title of the page doesn't match the content. "Two shot dead in US shopping mall" versus the nine deaths the story actually talks about.
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I didn't even notice that - the first reports were probably for two dead, and it was up to nine by the time they finished writing.
and Marinaroz, you're right, i (perhaps shamefully) heave a sigh of boredom when news like this is the top billing on our reports over here - it seems to have come to be part of every day life in the USA, which is a very sad state of affairs. But, what to do eh? The country is already so gun-flooded, banning them (which would never happen anyway, school/street/mall shootings or not) wouldn't sort out the problem, especially if the perpetrator is out to take their own life at the end of it, what do they care about punishment??? |
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LP-Harvey
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| mellymoo wrote: | | it seems to have come to be part of every day life in the USA, which is a very sad state of affairs |
This is very true, but in general, Americans actually feel very safe.
The US is supposedly a big target for terror (and always has been since the 1970's), and yet things like Oklahoma City, 9/11, the first NY Trade Center Bombing, the Olympic Bombing, and other always shake the American psyche... but then it slowly fades away. Especially to people who take the view, "it happened over there, but not here."
People tend to forget, the US is such a big country that if an act of violence occurs in New York, the people of Los Angeles will say, "It's a shame... but it's so far away. What do I care?"
I don't think Americans are desensitized about violence in their country, but the thing is, the country is so big that when these things happen, it still feels like, "Well, it's not happening around here."
And then it suddenly happens in Small Town, USA, and everyone panics... except for the people in The Other Small Town, USA. |
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blightyred
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Yet another example of the Paradox that is the U.S.A.
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people"
My question is this, if he 'wanted to go out in style', how much damage would he have done without the "constitiutionally allowed" weapons?
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clpo13
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He would have been able to find weapons. It would have been a little bit harder, but if he really wanted to shoot someone, he could have found a way.
Besides, there are plenty of perfectly mundane objects that can be dangerous. Fertilizer bombs, anyone?
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Necromis
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| The one thing anti-gun people don't seem to get is if you outlaw guns only outlaws will have guns. If someone in the mall had a concealed weapons permit and was carrying a gun they potentially could have stopped the loss of life from being so high. It is a prove fact that in places where guns have been outlawed that violent crimes increase rather than decrease. Look at Washington DC for a perfect example of this. When the imposed gun control the crime rate went up by 300%. Criminals are not stupid. They don't want to be shot. If they think there is a gun in a home they go to another. When you remove that fear they can go into any home without worry of being shot. |
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mellymoo
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you're right necromis - gun culture in the USA will never be outlawed, but only because "they" messed up in the first place with the laws. If they hadn't been allowed from day one, then the country wouldn't be so saturated with them already and illegal arms would be easier to police.
No point shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, as they say. So it looks like this IS something that American's will have to accept as part of everyday life, that can, and will happen anytime, anywhere. |
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Stino
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It is a sad fact that things like these have become quite common these days. Society seems to become more violent every day and I am not sure if there is a way to stop that.
Maybe slightly off topic, but in the article they mention a person named Kevin Kleine, who is referred to as a woman. This is the first time that I hear about a woman named Kevin. Is it a common name for a woman? |
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Kovacs
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| Stino wrote: | | Maybe slightly off topic, but in the article they mention a person named Kevin Kleine, who is referred to as a woman. This is the first time that I hear about a woman named Kevin. Is it a common name for a woman? |
Nope. That's another odd thing that Americans tend to do... give girls male names :S They call girls things like Jamie too. In UK these remain strictly male names, in my experience anyway.
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Necromis
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| mellymoo, I don't think *they* messed up. The right to bare arms is to keep tyrants from taking over and ruling the country. After all if the colonists did not have that right we would still be under British rule here. You can prohibit guns from day one. You still won't change one thing. Criminals will ALWAYS have them. So you only harm the honest person who wants to protect themselves. Also back when the country was founded you NEEDED a gun. For food and protection against wild animals as well as hostil forces. |
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DeadlyXScreams
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People tend to forget, the US is such a big country that if an act of violence occurs in New York, the people of Los Angeles will say, "It's a shame... but it's so far away. What do I care?"
I don't think Americans are desensitized about violence in their country, but the thing is, the country is so big that when these things happen, it still feels like, "Well, it's not happening around here."
And then it suddenly happens in Small Town, USA, and everyone panics... except for the people in The Other Small Town, USA. |
I don't understand what you mean by "It's so far away what do I care"
I'm from the U.S. and normally it depends on how extreme the happening is.
If it isn't extreme further states from where the problem is probably wouldn't hear about it. (Bordering states might)
For example:
A small convenience store robbery in michigan involving 1 death and 2 injuries people in Texas most likely wouldn't hear about it, as you said it is a big country but we do not say "That is so far away..." True, we probably wouldn't care as much as we should be we do always feel bad about the bad in our country and the world as most people would.
Now if it was something like a student walking into their school with as many weapons as he can carry shooting random people and killing/injuring many(Like what happened at virginia tech) Yes we would hear about it and we do care.
another example is hurricanes, schools all over the U.S. raise money to help rebuild what was destroyed.
I just wanted to make sure we know it isn't the matter of not caring it is the distance.
As for the weapons in our state Necromis is completely right. 
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mellymoo
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| Necromis wrote: | | mellymoo, I don't think *they* messed up. The right to bare arms is to keep tyrants from taking over and ruling the country. After all if the colonists did not have that right we would still be under British rule here. You can prohibit guns from day one. You still won't change one thing. Criminals will ALWAYS have them. So you only harm the honest person who wants to protect themselves. Also back when the country was founded you NEEDED a gun. For food and protection against wild animals as well as hostil forces. |
so - other countries which have stricter gun control laws......they're just as bad for school/mall/street killings as the USA is? Didn't other countries need guns for food etc etc in the beginning? I'm sure they must have, so where did the USA go so wrong, when the rest of "us" seem to have got it right for the most part?
I agree with you on the "bing ruled by the British" thing though - I don't want that for us any longer either, but i'm not going to get me a gun and start shooting all the English! (believe it or not, there are a few of them i kinda like! lol ) |
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| Kovacs wrote: | | Stino wrote: | | Maybe slightly off topic, but in the article they mention a person named Kevin Kleine, who is referred to as a woman. This is the first time that I hear about a woman named Kevin. Is it a common name for a woman? |
Nope. That's another odd thing that Americans tend to do... give girls male names :S They call girls things like Jamie too. In UK these remain strictly male names, in my experience anyway. |
Kevin isn't a girl's name in the US. There are a few names that for some reason can be given to both genders, like Kelly (though I think this one should only be a girl's name), Sam (the female version is short for Samantha while the male version is short for Samuel), Jamie, Eliot, and I'm sure there are a lot more (but not Kevin). It's not that girls are called by guys names, it's that people are retarded and think one genders name can apply to the opposite gender sometimes.
| Quote: | | One eyewitness said he saw officers arrest a man wearing camouflage who was hiding under a bus stop bench outside the mall. |
I find this one to be pretty funny. I want to see a guy wearing camouflage trying to hide under a bench.
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