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linuxdoctor
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 7:52 am    Post subject: SPAM -- Interesting Observation Reply with quote

Like everybody else, I'm tired of SPAM and by far most of it are related to selling me sex products of one variety or another. One of the popular myths about SPAM, long exploded, was that you only get this sort of stuff if you sign up to sexually explicit mailing lists or other subscription services. As far as I could tell this has never been true, but it's one that I still hear from time to time. I personally have never signed up to any of these kinds of sites or services yet the volume of sex related SPAM that I receive is staggering.

Out of curiosity I decided to see what happens when I actually do visit these websites and subscribe to their mailing lists and internet groups. I joined about fifty of them pseudonominously, being careful to select "I do not want to receive special offers in my e-mail" (or whatever the phrasing was) if these places bothered to ask and waited for the SPAM to arrive.

Almost immediately I began to receive some SPAM a few at a time. I expected the volume to increase quite quickly for, after all, I signed up for these services didn't I? To my amazement the volume SPAM never increased much beyond than a trickle. It's been about three months now and I still receive only a handful of SPAM at that e-mail address. In the past it has been my experience that if I signed up to a practically any (non sex related) website it would be only hours before I would receive fifty or a hundred unwanted SPAM messages but this time, relatively little. Practically nothing in fact when compared to what I get on all my other e-mail addresses.

This result actually surprised me. I had expected to receive ten times as many SPAM e-mails as I normally do. In fact, I wanted to receive them but they never turned up. These surprising results seem to indicate to me that if you don't want to receive sex related SPAM sign up to sex sites.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LD, I could have saved you some time for this. I have a work Email address that I use only to communicate with internal parties or clients. I have never used this on any other sites, especially anything related to sex. However, I receive 5+ spam emails daily on this account. They do get caught by the spam filter for our work, but because they could be real emails they send us an internal email listing what mail came in that is potential spam. The result to this is to indicate that the spam software simply attempts to find names at any domain email location and just mass generates based on common user names. I never got any spam on one of my free accounts that had a very obscure name.
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linuxdoctor
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Necromis wrote:
The result to this is to indicate that the spam software simply attempts to find names at any domain email location and just mass generates based on common user names. I never got any spam on one of my free accounts that had a very obscure name.


Now that is interesting. An interesting object lesson. The name I had chosen was common enough (I think) but I had also included a couple of underscore (ie. _ ) characters in the name. An interesting lesson for us all: create unusual e-mail address names to prevent SPAM.

Very useful information. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

well my Name on that email acct was RiseOfTheKutan. Which was the sub-title to a game I was building a website for. Additionally make sure it is never used on any site, even forums. If a forum is hacked alot of times it is for the Email addresses, too.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I went out deliberately giving out that name on various sex sites, mailing lists and groups expressly to get SPAMed by them. The relative silence was deafening. It almost seems to me that SPAMers are not sending their stuff to people already interested in that sort of stuff but are trolling for new clients.

This was a one time thing so I can't claim anything like scientific accuracy here. It's just an interesting observation and something that I didn't quite expect.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 8:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would make sense for sex websites not to spam people, if you think about it. Most of those kinds websites have a monthly fee, so they want people to keep coming back, month after month. A good way to scare people away from your website is to spam them. Nobody likes spam. If someone learns that their favorite sex website is spamming the hell out of them, they are likely to cancel their subscription and stop paying the website. It's all business.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 11:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've read some where that when you click that link it verifies for them that you have gotten the email. So they'll send you more. I think i saw that on some news article about spam years ago.

I don't get much spam with google.
But i hate the email providers that obviously sell your email address and info to spam companies. such as inbox.com.

I had that account for less than 3 months before i was overloaded with spam and i cant seem to filter out with the build in filter settings. And i rarely used the email address in public, so there is no way the spam people could of just have picked up my email addy from a site with their spider thing. the company had to of boughten rights to spam the members.

I think hotmail used to be like that also, but they stopped apparently because i got a new @live.com email account and i don't get any spam at all.

I wonder if spam mail even works. Most of it is blocked and filtered with most email clients and no one really read them anyways, at least i never do, so i think its a lost cause.

Also spam doesn't seem to be that much of a problem because email providers are offering at least 1 gig of space and you don't have to worry about the spam filling up your email space quota before you can delete it, so its cool - as long as it gets put in the junk/spam folder.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All my e-mail accounts are free ones, and of course, there are lots of spam mails everyday. I believe that the filters are all good, but as the spamers are getting better and better, that's really sad to say so, the spamers can find their ways to keep spamming.

Unusual user name might be a solution, but that would be not easy for you and your friends to remember that complicated spelling email address.

But I do not have enough time to read all my emails everyday, even those are sent from news groups that I am in. I sort them and put them into folders, and done. As there are enough room, unlimited, for all my emails, few spam is acceptable.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scar wrote:
I wonder if spam mail even works. Most of it is blocked and filtered with most email clients and no one really read them anyways, at least i never do, so i think its a lost cause.


Unfortunately, that's not the case for everyone. Many people still get SPAM despite the filters and attempts by ISPs to discover and block out IP addresses that source the stuff. Even so, if SPAM didn't work I doubt anybody would be doing it, unless of course SPAM is a massive conspiracy (communist, anarchist, Protestant Fundamentalist, militant Islamic, Jesuit, Jewish, pick your favourite conspiracy theory) aimed at destroying the internet.

I have often asked myself the question about the effectiveness of SPAM as a marketing tool. I can only point to the number of people who fall for those e-mail scams like the Nigerian Bank fraud. You know the one. Some dead ex-dictator has left tens of millions of dollars to his family locked in some bank somewhere and needs you to help them get it out. Just give them your bank details and they will deposit some or all of that money into your account from which you get to keep a portion of it. Well believe it or not, people actually do get sucked in by that and enough of them for police to consider this a major problem. If they are falling for that there must also be a significant number of people out there buying merchandise from suppliers advertised in SPAM.

Scar wrote:
Also spam doesn't seem to be that much of a problem because email providers are offering at least 1 gig of space and you don't have to worry about the spam filling up your email space quota before you can delete it, so its cool - as long as it gets put in the junk/spam folder.


There is more to SPAM than just the disk space needed to store it in your mailbox. Most mail is relayed several times before it actually reaches your inbox each time that information is saved. Most large ISPs permenantly save e-mails as do many smaller ones too. This means that your e-mail is still around even after you've deleted it not to mention each time it was bounced around on its way to you. Then there is the bandwidth needed to transmit all of the junk, bandwidth than could be used to carry more useful information. One statistic has it that 70% of all e-mail traffic is SPAM which means that 70% of the bandwidth needed to transport e-mail is wasted bandwidth. Now with the recent advent of image based SPAM, most of which is pump-and-dump penny stock scams, the amount of e-mail bandwidth has gone through the roof. That is not surprising considering the multiplicative nature of how the e-mail system works.

Then there is the time it takes to deal with each SPAM e-mail time that could be directed elsewhere. If you're in an office setting that's time taken away from your job which costs your employer in lost productivity. If you're on a public terminal in an internet cafe it costs you some time there too, time that adds up. If you spend 10 minutes dealing with SPAM that's 16% of your hour wasted.

Once apon a time, back when it was a new phenomenon, when there was very little SPAM there was a significant portion that I personally found quite useful. That didn't last long though. Within two years, SPAM had taken over the Internet and became the scourge it is today. Some people have made quite a lot of money from SPAM and not only the spammers. One guy I know, who was an unemployed Unix consultant struggling to feed his family back then, came up with an anti-SPAM filter called 'mimedefang' and eventually built up a thriving business on anti-SPAM software. His company, Roaring Penguin, is now making money hand-over-fist fighting SPAM at the corporate level and more power to him. It's just a shame that such things are necessary.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxdoctor wrote:

I have often asked myself the question about the effectiveness of SPAM as a marketing tool. I can only point to the number of people who fall for those e-mail scams like the Nigerian Bank fraud. You know the one. Some dead ex-dictator has left tens of millions of dollars to his family locked in some bank somewhere and needs you to help them get it out. Just give them your bank details and they will deposit some or all of that money into your account from which you get to keep a portion of it. Well believe it or not, people actually do get sucked in by that and enough of them for police to consider this a major problem. If they are falling for that there must also be a significant number of people out there buying merchandise from suppliers advertised in SPAM.

Exactly. That's the sole reason spam still exists and becomes a bigger and bigger problem. People are still buying the stuff because they think the spam mail offers are interesting. And especially such fraud mails offering people quick money seem to be an effective way to make money.

Like, even when just 1 out of 1000 people really get sucked in by it, and even if that just makes those thieves just 200 dollars, that's ok. I mean, if you send out thousands of those emails, it can make you a good income.

If all people would completely ignore spam, it wouldn't exist.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have problems with spam mails. I receive at least more than 10 per day.

I did a switch of email account (not because of spam, rather because of the address I want).

It has been 7 months since I did the switch. I vaguely remembered that I got like 2 spam mails the other time, but I already deleted those 2. And till now I have not received any spam mails.

It's really easy to avoid spam.

Always sign up for 2 email accounts. Nowadays email accounts are mostly free, you can sign up for as many as you want.

Use one as the main account (the one which you use to receive important emails), and the other one as a "shield" account.

For the past 7 months I have been very careful with sites that I use my email address for. I only use this email account when I sign up for forums, for known sites (YouTube, etc.), IRC nicknames registrations and to contact someone else for inquiries (e.g. someone selling a product).

For those sites that I don't really trust (even those that claim they won't reveal your email address to 3rd parties), I use an alternate account which I have abandoned.

I am using Gmail with a .NET Passport (MSN aka Windows Live, for MSN/Windows Live Messenger).
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, I have to admit that is a really interesting observation considering that I would have drawn that same conclusion that you had about if you had signed up for sex related sites that you would wind up receiving even more spam from those types of situations. I cannot even begin to tell you how many SPAM messages I get from sex related ads, and other things that they try to send me when I have not at all signed up for any of those things. I will admit that they do make me laugh at times because some of the subject lines clearly shows just how poorly the spam is sent out there as they send things that obviously aren't of interest to me, but their subject lines clearly lead me to believe they are trying to appeal to someone of the opposite gender and they are sadly out of place.

It is interesting how you tested the theory to see what would happen. I am really interested that things wound up going that way, but at the same time it was a neat theory to test out and clearly that says a lot about what kind of sites want to send you that kind of spam. I never would have thought that it would be that kind of situation where the normal sites wind up doing that, but apparently they do. Thanks for letting us know about your findings.
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