Subcultures and Countercultures: My point of view

[Xtreme]

If I appeared to shrink from any sort of debate, be assured that it is only because I was not aware that there was a debate. My "teenage angst" remark was more in reference to a certain attitude than an age group. In face, I myself am still 19 for a while. One can easily be between the ages of 12 and 20 while never drowning oneself in the aforementioned "teenage angst."

At any rate, my point still stands. There has been no clear definition of "punk" established, nor has there been any establishment of the defining behaviors, trends, or beliefs or a "punk" person. Therefore there cannot really be any intelligent or useful discussion and, as Linuxdoctor has said, there is no debate or argument. No point has been made over which a debate can be developed.

[skrelk]

Point: Linuxdoctor personal attacked me for no reason whatsoever.


Let's debate.
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[marinaroz]

[linuxdoctor]

I did not attack Shrelk personally in the least. I responded to his false accusation of ageism against Xtreme in the way that pseudo-socialists do.

As for debating, Skrelk has to say something on which to base a debate. So far he has made only baseless assertions.

I did, however, take the time to visit Shrelk's website. Its content is equally as vacuous as his original post. Like his post, the content of his website only begs numerous questions rather than forming the basis for any kind of debate. I shall not, however, bring any of that material here except to mention its existence. It is up to him to introduce it for himself if he chooses. I only mention it because it demonstrates that he has no clear idea of what he really believes nor does he even seem to understand it.

If he truly wishes to understand them, then debating them is a good place to start. If he is serious, he will do the necessary research required in order to get a deeper understanding of the issues in order to support what he believes, or even to change his mind.

Now, Shrelk should not take these observations as a personal attack but at an opportunity at self examination and the examination of his peers. He certainly should not expect everybody to agree with him or his ideas, at the same time he should not consider people asking questions, as Xtreme had done, as an attack on them either.

And most importantly, Shrelk should not take himself, or anybody or anything else for that matter, so seriously. That is a mistake that seems to be endemic in youth. It is a useful flaw, however, one that has been used by leaders of every political stripe to seduce the young into doing stupid things since time immemorial.
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Misanthrope: someone who realizes that humans really are as stupid as they appear.

If you think I'm 'politically' incorrect you have the wrong politics.

[skrelk]

Your very arrogant, aren't you. Just look at how you talk/type with an air of superiority.


You are refusing to give any base for your statement that my website's content is vacuous. You also refused to say why, or give a base to the accusation that I do not know what I'm talking about.
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[linuxdoctor]

[clpo13]

Hey, hey, let's discuss the topic (countercultures and subcultures, in case anyone forgot) instead of other people. That way, no one can claim they're being attacked. After all, this isn't a "describe your opinions on the other person and their beliefs" debate...

Anyways, subcultures tend to confuse me. Perhaps it's because I'm part of what people call the "mainstream". I have a great many deeply held beliefs and a lot of them coincide with the beliefs of certain subcultures, but I don't feel the need to model my life around those beliefs through dressing and acting a certain way. My apologies if that sounds like I'm oversimplifying what a subculture is, but it's certainly the way it seems to someone uninvolved.

And yes, linuxdoctor can be arrogant. Try not to let that get in the way of proper debate. Arrogance != correctness.
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"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." --Thomas Jefferson

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[skrelk]

Why don't we do what he's suggested?
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