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wellingtonboots Lifeless Person

Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 471 Location: London
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: Teenage girls brandishing Guns on High Street |
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I don't know if anyone in the Uk has seen this news report but a few weeks ago two teenage girls were filmed brandishing guns at pedestrians, whilst they sat by a main road in Manchester. They look to be about 15 or 16 and obviously thought it was very funny to point the gun at various people as they walked passed. It came at a time where there was a really big gun crime scare in Manchester after several teenagers have been shot dead.
Unluckily for the girls they were sitting opposite a shop that sold survelliance equiptment and were clearly filmed by the shop owner. However as they didn't shot anyone the police took a long time arriving by which time the girls had moved on and no one has been able to trace them yet.
The fact that they thought it was funny to wave guns around in people's faces in broad daylight it a terrible thing. It must have terrified anyone who walked by and all the shop owners in the area.
Although no one has yet been able to identify from the footage whether the guns were real or fake. Of course everyone hopes that they were fake because if they weren't it would open a whole new can of worms. The police are asking these girls to come forwards and hand in their guns even if they are fake.
I know many people who do not necessarily live in bad areas but are faced with anti-social behaviour at all hours. Not all incidents involve guns, they are harder to get than knives but guns are becoming terribly common in our streets and not just in the hands of gangsters. Logically speaking it would be safer for a gun to be in the hands of a seasoned gangster who would actually know what the consequences of shooting it were and would think twice about shooting someone, than in the hands of a teenager who cannot comprehend the consequences of acutally killing someone.
The tragic murder of Rhys Jones in Liverpool highlights this issue. Police believe that Rhys was in the wrong place at the wrong time and his killer had simply shot him to "see if he could get him". The killer from description would only have been a few years older than Rhys but he obviously didn't understand the full horror of what he was going to inflict when he pulled that trigger. Like many youths I think this kid just fancied himself a movie hitman and the consequences were devastating. _________________ [img:78323b42a3]http://sscm.moved.in/CODES/100x35press.jpg[/img:78323b42a3]SSCM - Ugly Betty Fansite
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superboy Experienced Poster
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Posted: Tue Sep 04, 2007 7:35 am Post subject: |
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| it´s an insany... i mean Brandish a gun in the middle of the street... it´s like say - Arrest me please i have a gun and i dangerous!... if you have a gun you surely dont will show it it the middle of a city and never aim a pedestrian... were are in crazy times... crazy crazy times... |
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StephenG Forum Regular
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 6:36 am Post subject: |
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I remember reading about this story in The Sun, the daily newspaper in the United Kingdom. Here's the story...
http://www.thesun.co.uk/articl.....91,00.html
I think that there were still photos from the Closed-Circuit TeleVision footage shot by the guy who owned the shop they were sat outside. Sitting here at my computer, it's easy to say that I might have been angry that they'd pointed a gun at me (real or replica) if I'd been walking past. It could have been a real weapon and the outcome might have been very different. It could have been a BB gun and I certainly would have been angry if they'd shot me with it. The fact that they were both drinking might have given them a bit of dutch courage to flash the weapon in public (Oooh, Matron). I know that certain establishments sell cigarette lighters that look like a firearm - it might well have been one of those.
It reminds me of a conversation I had with a friend, some years ago, where he mentioned that he'd wanted to go into the local town with a replica firearm and walk down the High Street, in plain view of the general public. He was also convinced that if the special armed unit of the Police were called and arrived on the scene, that they would know the difference between a replica and a real firearm - and he wouldn't be shot It took quite some time to convince him that the Police wouldn't hesitate if he failed to comply with any of their orders, and they would be forced to take action to nullify him. I was left scratching my head in disbelief that
a) he was even contemplating something as stupid as that.
b) The Police would take a chance and know that he was carrying a replica firearm, rather than a real weapon.
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c) The Police wouldn't take action if he didn't comply with their orders.
In the end he decided against going for "walkies" to test the resilience of the Police force  |
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SE13 Proud Londoner

Joined: 18 Apr 2005 Posts: 1657 Location: Wherever I Lay My Hat, That's My Home
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Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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I still find it frightening that there is so much gun crime creeping into British society. How in hells name are they smuggling the firearms into the Country? That said, I suppose the same could be asked of how they smuggle drugs in, through the noses of highly trained sniffer dogs, and multi million pound equipment designed to pick up this sort of thing.
In fact, the more I think about it, the more questions there are to ask! _________________ It feels so empty without a signature, so here is some mindless gabble to occupy the space |
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mellymoo Lifeless Person

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| SE13 wrote: |
In fact, the more I think about it, the more questions there are to ask! |
so ask them!!
Just because they hadn't shot anyone YET the police decided to take longer to arrive? I thought the police were meant to be about crime "PREVENTION"?????? tw@s! |
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kenoodo Lifeless Person
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:57 am Post subject: |
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It seems no one likes to see the girls who play guns there.
But why? Since they did not shot anyone or anything, and left quietly, they were not a threat to the society.
What is the main point? Girls or guns? |
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Rashy Lifeless Person
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Well the fact that they were pointing them at people, whether loaded or not, is in itself a threat. How did the pedestrians know that the girls weren't going to accidentally pull the trigger? Here in the U.S. if you point a weapon at someone, you are pretty much guranteed to have at least one pointed back at you (at least where I live), and that one will be loaded and ready to fire.
| Quote: | | I still find it frightening that there is so much gun crime creeping into British society. How in hells name are they smuggling the firearms into the Country? |
Seriously, especially for a country that prides itself on its ban on guns I guess just goes to show that if you want a gun you can get it no matter what restrictions are in place. Teenage girls too!
| Quote: | | I thought the police were meant to be about crime "PREVENTION"?????? tw@s! |
No, the police are about seeking down criminals and punishing them. They wouldn't get the funding they needed if they stopped criminals before they committed their crime. They need to be able to say 'Give us more money and we will catch these dangerous criminals!' Yeah, its backwards  _________________ Rashy! |
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mellymoo Lifeless Person

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| Rashy wrote: |
| Quote: | | I thought the police were meant to be about crime "PREVENTION"?????? tw@s! |
No, the police are about seeking down criminals and punishing them. They wouldn't get the funding they needed if they stopped criminals before they committed their crime. They need to be able to say 'Give us more money and we will catch these dangerous criminals!' Yeah, its backwards  |
it was kind of a rhetorical question tbh - we have a "crime PREVENTION" unit in the UK - where were they? Seems they're out educating in schools etc (which, im not saying is a bad thing) rather than stepping in when they're really needed. |
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Rashy Lifeless Person
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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hehe, when I was in England this summer somebody told me that Americans had no sense of sarcasm. I guess they were right. _________________ Rashy! |
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mellymoo Lifeless Person

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Posted: Thu Sep 13, 2007 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Rashy wrote: | | Hehe, when I was in England this summer somebody told me that Americans had no sense of sarcasm. I guess they were right. |
aww - don't be so hard on yourself. wanna hug it out?  |
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wellingtonboots Lifeless Person

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 9:56 am Post subject: |
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| kenoodo wrote: | It seems no one likes to see the girls who play guns there.
But why? Since they did not shot anyone or anything, and left quietly, they were not a threat to the society.
What is the main point? Girls or guns? |
Firstly it's not the 'girls' as in 'female' part is shocking. Its basically that kids and they are about 14-16 years old are happily waving guns around in people faces on a busy road with no care in the word. Now if it was a bad neighbourhood they would be in danger but no one walking down the street wants to be confronted by a kid holding a gun and waving it around. If it was a real gun there would be a high chance that one of the girls might have pulled the trigger.
If it was a toy gun and quite obviously a toy, there would be no objection but these kills are deliberately scaring people out in the open.
The second bits that's scary is how easy people can get guns or replicas these days. The kid who shot Rhys Jones was only about 15 and he killed a kid he didn't even know. If kids think that guns are cool and happily brandish them in the street than its just going to be a matter of time before someone else is shot dead. _________________ [img:78323b42a3]http://sscm.moved.in/CODES/100x35press.jpg[/img:78323b42a3]SSCM - Ugly Betty Fansite
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coralvalley Lifeless Person

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Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I just do not get some of the things that people do, especially young people when they find themselves faced with a bout of boredom. As I am sure that what was probably the reasoning that prompted them to be sitting around and waving guns at people. I would hope that they were in fact fake guns because if they were real guns and they were loaded, then there would be no telling what would have happened to someone if they had accidentally pulled the trigger and wound up hurting or even worse killing someone. If they were real guns, I would have to question how they were able to get their hands on them in the first place. More often then not it seems that people who are not even involved in a situation wind up getting hurt by those who are simply in need of entertainment. If those girls had any idea that they were being video taped the whole time I am sure they would have rushed out of there and rethought the idea. Hopefully they do not try to do this kind of thing again because if they are real guns I would hate to think about someone getting hurt because of their playing around. I wonder if they will be identified by the police, but who knows at this point? It would be nice to think that they had heard that they were caught on film and that the fear of being caught was enough to scare them and keep them from doing something like that again since they have the possibility of being caught, but probably not. That is really scary stuff even if no one was hurt this time! |
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RohitMalhotra The Crazy One

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Crazy Juveniles ... I guess it must have been too much of television ..or imagination that could have led them to do this .. but then this is only a perspective
We cannot deny the responsibility of the community to check such acts by Teenagers or rather children..(yes children as i don not see them do things rationally for if it were harderned criminals they would use the weapons rather than brandish them even criminals do not brandish weapons openly ) Is it not a reflection of society that these children actually try to denote .. somewhere in their remote past would they have seen such acts of aggression and the supposed reflected power been manifested in their acts .
But rather than be passive spectators it is neccessary to see as to the reasons as to why these children took this extreme step .. as how we can prevent such things from happening in the future or the frustrations could lead to the same consequences as to what America and the world has seen in the past so many young and innocent lives wasted ...
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