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rahulmalhotra Master Poster

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 215 Location: India
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Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 11:55 pm Post subject: US - the world watchdog, is it correct ? |
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Every time there is a small incident that happens around the world, it seems that the US comes up with an opinion that seems to become policy and then acted upon.
Whether its Iran or for that matter Korea, the US president seems to be losing countless hours of sleep over non issues. Its like finding a needle in a haystack ( very difficult proposition ) then picking it out with an alliance of 50 countries, calling is a global peace initiative and then sitting on it. Lastly saying that it hurts without realising that they should have never picked the needle in the first place.
While there may be one opinion that says, who am I to interfere, I would like to say that
a) I never paid for fuel as much
b) I have never seen so much hatred
c) While people talk about moving forward, we seems to be moving back to the years of the crusades.
I would really love to know what you guys think _________________ Reach out - "He who dares, Wins !"
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Eumel-at Lifeless Person

Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 505 Location: Dessau, Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:13 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | a) I never paid for fuel as much |
Well I do not drive so I can only say: others never paid so much for fuel.
It is annoying, nobody drives anymore. You cannot be taken with.
| Quote: | | b) I have never seen so much hatred |
I've heard of it. Around 1933-1945...
But you are right. This world watchdog is only producing hate everywhere. Bush calls it a war against terrorism. The only thing he earns is death an MORE terrorism...
| Quote: | | c) While people talk about moving forward, we seems to be moving back to the years of the crusades. |
But this is not caused by the US-Forces. They do not fight for religion, they fight for oil or something, i don't know what, I can only guess. Maybe it is just for fun...
The crusade is caused by fundamentalists. But I don't think the WAR against this is making it better... _________________ [img:4925361fca]http://eumel-at.net.ru/extern/sigava/m_eat_1.png[/img:4925361fca] |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 7124 Location: The cheese is made out of moon
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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Bush is the worst thing that has happened to the world after Hitler & Iran i gues. But thats not really the point here, or is it?
Bush is a fundamentalistic bitch in my opinion.
He says stuff like: "God Bless America"
Why is that bad:
-Not everybody even believes in religion
-Not everybody in the world believes in the same religion (if they believe a religion )
-Dicators say such stuff to
-He is annoying everybody on the world with his endless patriotism, if the europeans wouldn't have gone to America in the first place it would propably still be filled with Native Americans (what wouldn't be so bad from some points of view)
And i can go on for a while bashing 'mr. bush' _________________
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bhrathairain Ardent Poster

Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 84
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that until a country starts to directly threaten another country, it is not that other country's right to start "policing" the country's actions. So, essentially. as far as I think most of what the USA gets involved in is none of its business. |
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Eumel-at Lifeless Person

Joined: 25 Nov 2005 Posts: 505 Location: Dessau, Germany
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:01 pm Post subject: |
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Bush is a fundamentalistic bitch in my opinion.
He says stuff like: "God Bless America"
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You are right there SolidRaven, I also think he is fundamentalistic and fashistic.
You said it has nothing to do with this topic...
It has. I do not live in the USA, but I liked the country before Bush came. Whose idea was it to start a world domination tour? Here in Germany (we are really careful in this point. We learned from our errors in the past.) we are really worried about one person having the power to start a war... _________________ [img:4925361fca]http://eumel-at.net.ru/extern/sigava/m_eat_1.png[/img:4925361fca] |
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The_Michael Master Poster

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 186
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Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2006 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| The Bush Administration is just as much a controversy even here in the United States. He was a topic of controversy even before his inauguration. Well fact is the United states is the world leader in political power. And well, fact is US policy is UN policy. And to be honest it has been that way for some time now. Many, many years, including the first Bush administration. |
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kenoodo Lifeless Person
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 1092 Location: MengDai
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 7:33 am Post subject: |
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All I want to say is that you should make it clear first that who will benefit from that game.
As a leader of a country especially the strongest nation in the world militarily, Bush does a nice work. Am I right? Maybe.
To abstract the general public's attention from 911 and for business revival, it is a nice choice to go outside USA and, as you know, the chance came. He just did it and it did help.
I don't know how many he could get personally from these events, Bush will drop the reins of government and lose his power sometime, but his business won't stop.
And for "world policing" I afraid I can't agree with you. There are so many depressed area affairs that Bush and USA government has no interested in, like Shan in Burma. |
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The_Michael Master Poster

Joined: 14 Feb 2006 Posts: 186
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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:25 am Post subject: |
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kenoodo wrote:
| Quote: | All I want to say is that you should make it clear first that who will benefit from that game.
As a leader of a country especially the strongest nation in the world militarily, Bush does a nice work. Am I right? Maybe.
To abstract the general public's attention from 911 and for business revival, it is a nice choice to go outside USA and, as you know, the chance came. He just did it and it did help.
I don't know how many he could get personally from these events, Bush will drop the reins of government and lose his power sometime, but his business won't stop.
And for "world policing" I afraid I can't agree with you. There are so many depressed area affairs that Bush and USA government has no interested in, like Shan in Burma. |
You know, Bush has never been one to back down from a fight. Neither was his father George Senior. George Senior led the first gulf war and was victorious. The second one All and All, yeah the current Bush was victorious too. Though we do lose allot of soldiers still as a result. But the scale tilts in our favor over all.
but there are things I do not like about Bush either just as I had stated in previous post. |
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Eumel-at Lifeless Person

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Posted: Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:13 am Post subject: |
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And for "world policing" I afraid I can't agree with you. There are so many depressed area affairs that Bush and USA government has no interested in, like Shan in Burma.
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I think you are a bit naiv, aren't you? Do you really think Bush "aids"?`I wouldn't bet. I think the oil (in Burma is no oil, is it?) plays its role.
By the way Bush's war didn't help the Iraq, now there is some kind of civil war there. _________________ [img:4925361fca]http://eumel-at.net.ru/extern/sigava/m_eat_1.png[/img:4925361fca] |
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thunderboltz Hear the thunder!

Joined: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 1809
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:31 am Post subject: |
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America likes to poke its head into everything happening in the world. Its like the American politicians have some notion that they are of the upper crest or something. The go about dictating how other countries should behave. They come to India and discuss the Kashmir issue - and dictate terms to us. Well, how would they feel us going to New Orleans and discussing their racism issues?
The American politicians are just large scale picturisation of the ignorance of the average American Joe. And such dirty politics they play too. Only last month, they threatened India telling that if they didn't vote in favor of the Iran resolution, and stop building the Iran-Pakistan-India oil-gas pipeline, then they'd withdraw all support to India in nuclear matters. What right do they have to question the independent stand of India? And in the end of it all, a shameless apology by the one and only Mr. Bush.
Almost every American I've met hates him. They why did you elect him to the post in the first place?  _________________ LiVinG iN a DemOcraTicalLy eleCtEd CoMmunIsT stAtE |
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kazunoben Grandmaster Poster
Joined: 19 Apr 2005 Posts: 286 Location: Akita, Japan
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:32 am Post subject: |
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| kenoodo wrote: | To abstract the general public's attention from 911 and for business revival, it is a nice choice to go outside USA and, as you know, the chance came. He just did it and it did help.
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Are you being sarcastic? Or are you seriously suggesting that invading Afghanistan and Iraq were good "distractions"? I was hesitant about Afghanistan, but believe the US ultimately did something valuable there. In Iraq, the stated reasons for war were shaky, but I will never believe that it was done with the justifaction of being a good distraction.
A lot of people call Bush "evil", but I seriously doubt that his intentions are malicious in nature. His evil lies in the fact that he is a misguided zealot. Far from being a distraction, I believe that he really was spurred by the 9/11 attacks into thinking the US not only should hunt down terrorists abroad, but also to play more of a policing role in the world. He surely believes our system of life is the best, and that all other nations should have the "privilege" of living like we do.
The problem is that the U.N. hasn't shown itself capable of policing the world.. There are those who expect the US to do so, and those who resent when the US does so. As long as we live in the current hegemony, those who resent it will always speak loudly against the US and against any policing it does. Whether a stronger China, or a unified Europe would change this is yet to be seen. |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

Joined: 06 Jun 2004 Posts: 7124 Location: The cheese is made out of moon
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| kazunoben wrote: | | kenoodo wrote: | To abstract the general public's attention from 911 and for business revival, it is a nice choice to go outside USA and, as you know, the chance came. He just did it and it did help.
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Are you being sarcastic? Or are you seriously suggesting that invading Afghanistan and Iraq were good "distractions"? I was hesitant about Afghanistan, but believe the US ultimately did something valuable there. In Iraq, the stated reasons for war were shaky, but I will never believe that it was done with the justifaction of being a good distraction.
A lot of people call Bush "evil", but I seriously doubt that his intentions are malicious in nature. His evil lies in the fact that he is a misguided zealot. Far from being a distraction, I believe that he really was spurred by the 9/11 attacks into thinking the US not only should hunt down terrorists abroad, but also to play more of a policing role in the world. He surely believes our system of life is the best, and that all other nations should have the "privilege" of living like we do.
The problem is that the U.N. hasn't shown itself capable of policing the world.. There are those who expect the US to do so, and those who resent when the US does so. As long as we live in the current hegemony, those who resent it will always speak loudly against the US and against any policing it does. Whether a stronger China, or a unified Europe would change this is yet to be seen. |
Two reasons WHY he started a war against iraq in my opinion:
-Nationalism
-Oil
-War against other religions (yeah Bush really does think on this one )
Everybody with some background knowledge of sience knows who said this one: "Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."
Oil is just a money factor
And well, Bush is an extremist.
And while we were just quoting Albert Einstein anyway:
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It seems to me that the idea of a personal God is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death.
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Uhm read the last sentence.
I think its a description of what Bush really is. _________________
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<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
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The_Michael Master Poster

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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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well the purpose Bush started the war was partly for Oil, I agree, but it wasnt for personal reasons I don't believe.
religious war? Jihad? surely not, that would be to say that the united states was trying to be a modern day Nazi war machine. I really don't think thats the case
America does indeed like to poke its head into every nook and cranny in the world , well except for china, but then again , china could stomp us in the ground with their army just as well to face the facts there.
Eh Over All I think the war on Iraq was a good move , Hussain was a problem in the world a larger one than most would admit to be honest.
It was also a message to maybe even Alqueda that we could pull such an attack off. |
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LP-SolidRaven Dictator of the Dump

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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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| The_Michael wrote: | well the purpose Bush started the war was partly for Oil, I agree, but it wasnt for personal reasons I don't believe.
religious war? Jihad? surely not, that would be to say that the united states was trying to be a modern day Nazi war machine. I really don't think thats the case
America does indeed like to poke its head into every nook and cranny in the world , well except for china, but then again , china could stomp us in the ground with their army just as well to face the facts there.
Eh Over All I think the war on Iraq was a good move , Hussain was a problem in the world a larger one than most would admit to be honest.
It was also a message to maybe even Alqueda that we could pull such an attack off. |
Sadam wasn't the bigest problem in the world.
/me looks sillently to Iran...
Those guys are goign to far.
Iraq was quite neutral the last two years.
Not too mutch extreme stuff happened their.
While Iran is on the edge of propably making balistic intercontinental nuclear missiles. Isn't that a lott more dangerous. _________________
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<bart416> I just realized something
<bart416> we celebrate the fact that this piece of rock made one rotation around a glowing ball of plasma that is kept together due to its own gravity well
<njsg> HAPPY NEW YEAR
<Easter> ^^
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golan_s Fat Lifeless Person

Joined: 24 Feb 2005 Posts: 1272 Location: Israel
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Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2006 7:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | a) I never paid for fuel as much | You are probably right at this point, but the rise of fuel prices started long before the war in Iraq.
| Quote: | | b) I have never seen so much hatred | You definitely did not look close enough. The Armenian massacre, The Holocaust, Uganda, Cambodia, Rwanda etc. are just a few examples to deadly hatred before our time.
| Quote: | | c) While people talk about moving forward, we seems to be moving back to the years of the crusades. | Years of the crusades in the sense of religiously motivated Muslims eager to kill infidels?
There is no oil in Korea, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos, Somalia, Yugoslavia. All these are conflicts in which America was involved. Without anyone else to do it, it was completely justified. America did not invade Iraq to steal its oil. It is completely reasonable to prevent a dangerous dictator of the type of Saddam from taking over the gulf's huge oil reservoirs, though.
Bush (though a religious person) did not start any religious war. America was attacked by Muslim fanatics, on a religious basis, long before anyone could imagine an American invasion of Iraq (it did not even start with 9/11). The religious feature of the war against terror is not a result of any American choice.
I am not a religious person and definitely not Christian. But I like Bush's approach of using the terms good and evil while forming his policy. _________________
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