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rahulmalhotra Master Poster

Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 215 Location: India
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:35 am Post subject: |
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| The_Michael wrote: | | The Bush Administration is just as much a controversy even here in the United States. He was a topic of controversy even before his inauguration. Well fact is the United states is the world leader in political power. And well, fact is US policy is UN policy. And to be honest it has been that way for some time now. Many, many years, including the first Bush administration. |
Well if Bush is causing a problem there too then why does the majority of the voters not go to the extent of firing him from a job that he has never done . i.e. broker real peace _________________ Reach out - "He who dares, Wins !"
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Rashy Lifeless Person
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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2007 1:24 pm Post subject: |
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Simple: the Republicans wouldn't fire their own man (it makes their entire party look bad) and the Democrats are a bunch of pussies that never get anything done.
In America both the Republican and the Democratic parties are relatively small compared to the rest of the population, the "Independents" who are also known as the "Silent Majority," and yet all of the political power is held between the Democrats and the Republicans (with smaller parties holding a tiny amount of power in state and a couple federal legislative positions). When a president runs for office, they campaign to collect those independent votes because there are so many independent people and they can sway for either party, while the Democrats will vote for Democrats and likewise with the Republicans.
Basically this means that U.S. policy is created by the minority who hold power, and not the majority (the independents) like a democracy is supposed to work. This is one of the results of having an representative democracy, as opposed to a direct democracy such as the Romans had (though technically the U.S. is a federal republic like ancient Rome was).
So when you don't like what a President is doing with his power, or when you don't like U.S. foreign policy, remember that it is controlled by a minority population in the U.S. and that even the Legislative branch is controlled by self-serving individuals. The majority of the U.S. has little say other than their vote on who gets in office (and even that counts for very little). In fact, voter turn outs are dismal right now, so even getting elected means that you were chosen by the majority of half the U.S. population (or slightly over 25% of the U.S. population).
Anyways, its hardly worth the effort of booting Bush out of office with the next presidential elections coming up (even if we could muster up the support for it, and get the Dems to take action). We'll have a new president in soon, and hopefully he can turn things around. I say "he", because if Hillary gets elected the world will end. Not that any of the other candidates are that great.
To answer your original question: Should the U.S. police the world?
Yes and no.
We need to be involved in world affairs. After WWI we were the world's super power, but we took an isolationist policy. We didn't want to get involved in "European Affairs" because we had just lost many good men in WWI and we didn't want a repeat. Basically we kept our nose out when Hitler started screwing over Europe and the world bitched when we didn't jump straight into the war. Now the world is bitching because we are all in their business. It seems that the solution is somewhere between, limited action in world affairs. Too bad the people that create foreign policy wouldn't even entertain the idea. _________________ Rashy! |
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kenoodo Lifeless Person
Joined: 17 Jul 2005 Posts: 1092 Location: MengDai
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Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush on Wednesday told CNN he would personally "facilitate" peace negotiations between the Palestinians and Israelis, saying the formation of a democratic Palestinian state was the best way to bring peace to the region.
"A democracy on Israel's border is important for Israel's security and that very democracy is important for the Palestinians to have a hopeful life," Bush said. "It is also important for the broader Middle East."
Bush's comments come a day after a summit at the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis, Maryland, in which Israeli and Palestinian leaders agreed on a framework for future peace talks. The sides set the end of 2008 as a goal for completing a peace treaty.
Bush made the comments during an interview with CNN's Wolf Blitzer.
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To make an international move and do operate would cost a lot. Do you think that U.N. could make money by itself? But one rich country like US, it would be much easier to make the decision and send troops to anywhere of our planet to start or stop a war.
Yeah, I agree the power of U.N. is getting more and more week, and since the US is the most powerful country in the world now, it is good to leave as it be. That is good for both sides.
And, I don't think a country would like to have the troops from outside to be there and hold guns for their domination. That is too dangerous  |
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DeadlyXScreams Experienced Poster

Joined: 18 Feb 2007 Posts: 50 Location: United States, Texas
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:25 am Post subject: |
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I'm from the U.S. and I like being from the U.S. I beileve that it is Okay to step in and help out other countries who want or need our help and it Okay to give an opinion, but I also believe that it is not okay to take total control. If help isn't wanted, don't give it. Opinions are fine if not harsh, and if they are respectable and just opinions. _________________ “When it hurts to look back, and you're scared to look ahead, you can look beside you and your best friend will be there.”
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Necromis Lifeless on my Boat

Joined: 11 Apr 2005 Posts: 797 Location: USA
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:36 am Post subject: |
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One thing that I see as funny is everyone is calling it BUSH that is doing this, when the topic is the US. First, the two political parties are the majority of voters, not the minority. The independants are the swing votes that make the election go one way or the other. Otherwise some independant Presidential canadates would have made it to the white house. Bush is our president for two terms because the people felt he was/is the right man for the job. Oil prices have nothing to do with the US and are actually more to do with India and China. Both of whom have started to grow rapidly and to consume large quantities of Oil. This is causing there to be less to buy, and there for the price goes up. Heard of Supply and Demand?
The US does what it has to, to protect its interests. It also steps in when others ask for help. You may not be concerned with N Korea and Iran having Nukes, but I sure am. |
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clpo13 Zarkin' frood

Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 1210 Location: Washington
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Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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Ideally, the only business the United States should have with the rest of the world is economic. A healthy nations trades with other nations. However, it shouldn't be our place to police the world. In fact, it should be quite the opposite. The world should be quite capable of taking care of itself. Our focus should be on our own country and our own problems. It's hard to heal the ailments of others when you're on your own knees. _________________ "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism." --Thomas Jefferson
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