Violence in Schools

linuxdoctor · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:59 am Post subject: Violence in Schools

I found this cartoon on one of my favourite German language humour websites, Tot Aber Lustig (Dead but Funny). The humour of the website uses death as it's inspiration and this particular cartoon is taken from the news.

[img:fe34011a85]http://www.totaberlustig.de/cartoons/comic1/00000167.jpg[/img:fe34011a85]

The voice bubble translates as: Great, only school supplies again.

Considering the growing violence is schools everywhere this cartoon is very a propos. Parents and authorities are blaming the violent video games for causing it all. Experts 'poo poo" the link just as they did twenty, thirty and even forty years ago over television violence. They say there is no direct causal link yet I ask, Where are the studies? Have any studies actually been done to test the theory that violent video games and/or television programmes do or do not make kids more violent and aggressive? Not that I can find and those responsible for producing the stuff don't seem to want to find out either.

Today's youth are not being brought up properly. In fact, I would say every generation since the Second World War have not been correctly reared at all. There is far too much freedom and not enough discipline. Education standards have been lowered generation after generation with the resulting decline in economic productivity when these kids end up in the work force. People work longer today than they did thirty years ago but they accomplish less. They work harder but not smarter.

Can we blame television and video games? Sure, why not? It's an easy scape goat, but it is also most likely true. The real blame goes to the parents and the incredibly permissive and decadent society they have created, Today's children will create an even more permissive and decadent society and so forth until it all collapses in on itself.

What happens then? There are authoritarian and totalitarian groups waiting in the wings for the right moment. When permissiveness and decadence can no longer give people, especially young people, what they need they will turn to exact opposite and demand an end to decadence. Unfortunately, unless they are careful, it could also mean an end to their freedom.

Radical Islam and pseudo-Nazi and fascist groups are just waiting for the opportunity to walk in and supplant decadence with slavery in the name of freedom.

All because of video games.
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marinaroz · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:42 am Post subject:

I agree with most of your statements, violent video games surely don't work to make the kids who play them more polite and compassionate. Of course, kids play those video games because their parents buy those games and the kids don't have other more productive activities to engage in.

I can't imagine how it is possible to be a good parent while working long hours. Parents in those families barely participate in the rearing of their kids, and leave this job to school and the TV. I grew up in a family like that and wouldn't want to subject any kids I might have to the same fate. But is there a choice really?
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Rashy · Lifeless Person Joined: 25 Sep 2006 Posts: 676

I'm glad that somebody finally points to parental responsibility. I don't think that the problem with today's youth can be nailed directly to video games, TV, and just media consumption in general. Rather I think it is the parent's fault for not raising their kids properly, as marinaroz says, and exacerbated by the media as well as any other factors. Its the way you bring up your kids that makes them apathetic, violent, or whatever else you want to call them. Its parental responsibility that has slipped down, and that is what I will focus on for now.

For example: The other day there was a family at the store I work at. Its like a Chuck-E-Cheese: pizza and games that give tickets, which can be redeemed for prizes. This girl who was probably 8-9 years old wanted a prize that cost 600 tickets, but she had only 30 tickets. I can't give her the prize, its just too much over what she has. She throws a fit. Starts screaming and crying, and her father begs me to give her the prize.

What a weak parent! Its because he has been appeasing his daughter that she now has a temper problem. Now maybe its not the parent's fault. We have idiots like Dr. Phil and magazines and books and everything telling us how to raise our kids. I think a lot of them weaken the parent and the parent's control and authority over the child, especially when they discourage discipline.

Look at the military: they demand(ed?) discipline and respect for ranking officers. Everything ran smoothly. Now the military is being softened, drill sergeants aren't allowed to yell at recruits very often, soldiers are mandated 8 hours of sleep every day, and a bunch of other B.S. and look at all the insubordination cases, or P.O.W. abuse cases, and all the other issues since the Vietnam war. The lesson: you soften up and people will step out of line and create problems.

I'm not saying we should flog our kids, just that we need to be more firm with them. We can't give into them because they are so "cute" or "pathetic" looking, we have to look out for their best interests. Thats what I look for in my friends: people who will do whats right for me even if I disagree with them. Of course, "whats right" is very subjective.

The more involved parent's are in a kids life, I think everyone can agree, the better raised a kid will be. The more respect he will have for himself and for others. Marinaroz mentions the long hours that parents have to work, and this certainly is a problem. This capitalist society is obsessed with money, and just to survive we have to work our asses off 40 hours a week. Its not a good formula, we really need to re-think our economic system and update it for modern society. Of course that will be almost impossible to do until there actual is an economic collapse.
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Necromis · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject:

The reality is parents are handicapped. Society and liberal thinking has taken away any threat of authority the parents have. After all kids are taught that all they have to do is say mommy or daddy did this or that to me, and the parents are fighting off DCF(dept of children and families) or the local police to explain that no they didn't do that to little billy. This is much different than in my youth. I lived in respect/fear of the authority my father had over me. Today kids know that there is nothing that parents can truly do do discipline them. "Mom/dad, if you try to spank me or punish me I will tell people that you beat me or touched me the wrong way." I have seen teen age kids walk out the door on their parents when they tried to ground them or discipline them. There was nothing the parent could do.

Do violent games do anything to kids. Heck no. I played them, we all played them. The only ones it effects are those that were already disturbed. They would have done it based off of bugs bunny just as easily.

linuxdoctor · Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject:

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mellymoo · Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 10:10 am Post subject:

i don't think a bit of "fear" for your parents is a bad thing. a tiny bit of fear from my mother, and knowing repercussions of ever doing anything bad, meant i wasn't a bad kid at all. No, we didn't have violent computer games etc, but we had slasher movies, and horror movies, and war movies, and those that were simply full of gratuitous violence. My brother and I were allowed to watch them all, and we never caused our parents, or anyone else, any problems as we were growing up. Needless to say, i adore my mum, and always did as i was growing up. Funny thing is, my dad NEVER disciplined us, he let us get away with murder (so to speak) and i know i can still wrap him round my little finger when needed - i have no kind of feelings for him whatsoever......weird!

It is possible to parent correctly, being harsh but fair, and let your kids play these games and watch these films, and have them grow up to be good, respectable, hard-working young adults. It's all about communication imo. (and if that fails, a clip round the lughole usually does the trick! no, i'm not kidding!)

snigna · Novice Poster Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 14

No, seriously, what is the connection between the games and violence? I mean, kids are not that stupid to believe that they can shoot a fireball to someone. I agree, things are crossing the line, but I don't think that is the major issue. I think the main problem is that kids, in their search of "coolnes" are just going over the edge.

Necromis · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:11 am Post subject:

YOu have to understand, that if you have no ability to enforce your rules you have no authority. I am not saying power, or threats. I am talking about discipline. Also most kids lose that respect when they learn there is now authority behind it.

mellymoo · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 2:23 pm Post subject:

Necromis · Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject:

It all depends on the friends they make. It only takes one bad apple to make the whole thing go bad. What I was trying to point out is that no matter what parenting is given at home, children/teens can end up doing whatever they want because of how invasive the government can be.

skrelk · Experienced Poster Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 42

It's incredibly obvious that violence in schools has nothing to do with video games. Why? Because it's unlikely that someone who doesn't already have a problem would be drawn to kill people because of a game. And even if they do have a problem, the video game only accelerates the inevitable.

As for Dr. Phil, this guy does not want to help people. He wants to get Nielson ratings. I've seen he's show. He deliberately causes pain to people.

As for the "Parental Authority" people, I have a response. Kids are not slaves, and should not be treated as such. Everyone deserves freedom regardless of age and I truly wonder why the vast majority of internet forums I've seen have such conservative thinking. Honestly, if you want to make a point to someone, explain, and be persuasive. Otherwise, you'll just be hated.

Necromis, I disagree with government invasiveness too. However, keeping parents from being horrible controllers to their kids is not wrong. People can raise themselves. They might not be nice little socialized drones, but most brilliant people aren't.
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spock · Posted: Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:23 am Post subject:

skrelk · Experienced Poster Joined: 04 Feb 2007 Posts: 42

Not exactly. Making weapons harder to get would destroy self-defense rights, and wouldn't help, or if it did only treat the symptom, not the problem.

It seems that alot of these incidences are caused by the fact that mainstream society can crush people. These things won't stop until we either get rid of mainstream society, or change it drastically.
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RohitMalhotra · Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:12 am Post subject:

Violence in school is indeed a thing causing a lot of concern be it in the United states ,Europe or India .. it was only yesterday that two young boys tried to solve a problem of a boy who had been bullying them by using their fathers licenced pistol in Delhi in turn killing him .. or even the killings in the US university which was executed by an outcast student ..
Does this really have to do with violence shown on television or in the movies? .. may be to a certain extent but i guess the real crux of the problem lies in the increasing levels of stress amongst the students and their inability to deal with it .

there are many factors that compound the problem .. such as the increased competition .. increased pressure to perform socially,academically and proffessionally by peers ,teachers and parents alike .. increased materialism getting the new xbox or the fancy mobile and inability of the parents to provide the same .. increased awareness of self and ones sexuality and an unreal image of the ideal in these young mind ... and if this was not enough there being no sounding board may it be due to parents getting no time for their children due to their jobs ...break down of the joint family system ..single parents there are a million excuses ..

What is surprising most of the killings or bullying and abuse is avoidable with little intervention or as little as someone to listen to their problems .. the indicators of a situations going bad are always there if only some one would see it .. i guess the two agencies that can be a great help and the teachers and the parentss.. just ten minutes of their time can achieve wonders and prevent such situations from getting out of hand ..

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